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[Jamie9]

In the leaked survey, a possible option was to say you wanted co-op or multiplayer.

Now, I think ME3 would've been better had the MP resources been used to improve the SP. And it just wouldn't work in Dragon Age. There is no immersion in MP and that's why I play RPGs.

Now, the survey doesn't say MP will be there, but it shows they are considering it.

If you agree, tweet to Mike Laidlaw the following:

Please Bioware #NoDA3CoopMP

Thanks for your time.

Modifié par Jamie9, 22 août 2012 - 01:23 .

[Allan Schumacher]

The question is that proper MP requires a lot of resources, which will take away from the SP, which is soemthing I DON'T want.

I see this perspective get mentioned a lot. Why do you think that?

[Allan Schumacher]

So you're saying that without MP people uninstall games and forget about them? Which is why Baldurs Gate hasn't been mentioned anywhere on the net in 10 years?

I'd argue a better SP RPGs have FAR, FAR more replay value and longevity than an SP-MP crossover game.

Baldur's Gate is a SP-MP crossover game.

Either way, it seems that whatever was spent on MP could have been spent on SP. It's not so much a direct subtraction SP, as much as it is subtraction by addition. A lot of people would rather see MP never happen so the resources get folded into the SP budget.

This basically just boils down to "Fans want to see more resources invested into what they want." Which is a reasonable thing for any consumer to want. Everyone always wants the most superior product they can get for as low of a price as they can get.

Which actually disassociates the issue from whether or not multiplayer exists. You can literally state that you'd rather resources go into SP instead of X where X is pretty much anything.  Multiplayer is just an easier target than some other things because:

1) It's something tangible (I suspect many of the opportunity costs are less obvious)
2) It's easier to state "I will not benefit from this feature"

ianvillain wrote...

It keeps being said that extra money is given to add multiplayer but until I see proof that there is extra money what you say is just wishful thinking.

Isn't your perspective just as much speculation as everyone else's on this matter? Seems unfair to dismiss one person's perspective on the basis of speculation simply because you don't agree with it. In the end we all have to decide what we want to believe if there's nothing that contradicts our opinion, but perspective on the situation is still important.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[Allan Schumacher]

My innate reaction is to make some joke suggestions, but fear of them being taken literally and me somehow being deemed responsible prevents me from doing so

[Allan Schumacher]

If you want proof that MP affected the SP experience just look at Mass Effect 1 and that ending compared to ME3 -

ME1 - great game, great ending - no MP

ME3 - good game, pap ending - includes MP

That's not proof.

Counterpoint would be a game like Baldur's Gate 2, which many consider BioWare's best game, which does have Multiplayer.

To conclude that the difference in the perceived quality of ME1 to ME3 is based solely on the multiplayer is a rather myopic perspective on the situation. If we're just making hypotheses, there could be any number of reasons that affected the development of both games.

[Allan Schumacher]

This is true that I am projecting my fears about past single player games on to the next thing, its just that when I or other people state our fears that MP will affect the SP game, other people jump in and state that there is a seperate budget and seperate studio developing the MP portion as a fact.

I think more they are providing a counterpoint since many people (in this very thread) seem utterly convinced that the inclusion of multiplayer can only exist at the expense of single player.

The difference is that they all see you as being "Whoa you can't proclaim this as fact" because they disagree with your perspective, while you and posters similar to you are doing the same.

It's gone on ad nauseum that the thread is painfully close to simply running its course.

[Allan Schumacher]

The way this thread has gone has made me very angry.

Temp bans will be handed out, and I am closing this.

[Allan Schumacher]

I'll just state this here since I'd pretty much have to send everyone a private message and it's apparently useful for everyone to know.

Do not get involved in semantic arguments. Especially when you're already feeling rather hostile towards someone.

If you don't know the term to something, please feel free to use google to understand what is being said.

If someone makes an off the cuff relative remark, do not waste numerous posts indicating that the level of granularity they were using was not specific.


Crap like this is frankly, junk to try to filter through and while I'd rather spend time posting in threads that aren't all rainbows and lollipops for how much BioWare may rock your socks, seeing it derail and the host of other hostile remarks, inappropriate ASCII art, and all sorts of stuff like that just makes me irate and isn't conducive to any sort of intelligent discussion.


That is all.

Allan