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[Rinji the Bearded]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

So... paying off the mortgage through profitable business is only cool when SpunkyMonkey does it.

The part you're missing, and it's a huge part, is that multiplayer wouldn't be profitable if a lot of people didn't really enjoy it.

On what planet is including a popular, profitable, gameplay option evidence of bad business management?  Oh, the one where you're just not personally interested in the option, I guess.  That changes everything!  For everyone!

Shut down those hideously popular Mass Effect 3 Operations, people.  Someone on the internet is getting worried.

BSN users suspicious of money-making game elements that involve interaction with other human beings.  News at 11.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:13 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

All of this snarky semantics is getting me aroused.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

You've convinced me, I've no fear at all of any further Bioware games being skimped on because they're being geared up for the sole purpose of making money, with the creative/story aspects taking more of a backseat in favour of more "easily profitable" endevours.

So... paying off the mortgage through profitable business is only cool when SpunkyMonkey does it.

The part you're missing, and it's a huge part, is that multiplayer wouldn't be profitable if a lot of people didn't really enjoy it.

On what planet is including a popular, profitable, gameplay option evidence of bad business management?  Oh, the one where you're just not personally interested in the option, I guess.  That changes everything!  For everyone!

Shut down those hideously popular Mass Effect 3 Operations, people.  Someone on the internet is getting worried.

My industry is a productive one with no creativity involved - we produce goods used for road surfaces - hardly something which is going to suffer from a lack of creativity.

Do you seriously think that Bioware's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects haven't suffered since EA got involved and concentrated more on profits?

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

My industry is a productive one with no creativity involved - we produce goods used for road surfaces - hardly something which is going to suffer from a lack of creativity.

Do you seriously think that Bioware's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects haven't suffered since EA got involved and concentrated more on profits?

This just in: Bioware never wanted to make money.

Also I'm not sure how your first point tied into your second?  Road services = Videogame production.... ??????????

[upsettingshorts]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Do you seriously think that Bioware's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects haven't suffered since EA got involved and concentrated more on profits?

That's three questions.

1) Do I think BioWare's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects have suffered?
2) If so, do I like EA is to blame?
3) Do I think BioWare was ever less concerned about profits?

Here are three answers:

1)  No.
2)  No.
3)  No.

[SpunkyMonkey]

RinjiRenee wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

My industry is a productive one with no creativity involved - we produce goods used for road surfaces - hardly something which is going to suffer from a lack of creativity.

Do you seriously think that Bioware's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects haven't suffered since EA got involved and concentrated more on profits?

This just in: Bioware never wanted to make money.

Also I'm not sure how your first point tied into your second?  Road services = Videogame production.... ??????????

Come on your winding me up now, you can't see that yet you're acting the bigman and trying to put me down saying I can;'t use google?

An industry like road surfacing doesn't require any creativity or anything other than the product to do a basic job. Any form of entertainment media or industry does require the creative part to be an aspect of it - treating the customers purely as a number in creative industries is wrong.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Do you seriously think that Bioware's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects haven't suffered since EA got involved and concentrated more on profits?

That's three questions.

1) Do I think BioWare's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects have suffered?
2) If so, do I like EA is to blame?
3) Do I think BioWare was ever less concerned about profits?

Here are three answers:

1)  No.
2)  No.
3)  No.

Well your entitled to your opinion. I disagree, but that's what freedom of speech is all about aint it?

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[SpunkyMonkey]

EntropicAngel wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Yeah.....but I'm not the one who said "You're all alone" as in "There's 1 of you who uses that term"

I meant you as Brits. You kept acting like it was a universal term in Europe, when it doesn't seem to be.

No - you assumed that, I merely said "this side of the Atlantic" - which is where Britain is. I never mentioned anything about Europe.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[SpunkyMonkey]

EntropicAngel wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

My industry is a productive one with no creativity involved - we produce goods used for road surfaces - hardly something which is going to suffer from a lack of creativity.

Do you seriously think that Bioware's creative/story telling/gameplay aspects haven't suffered since EA got involved and concentrated more on profits?

Look at ME3's ending, and look at Bioware's staunc support of it, and tell me they aren't being incredibly creative.

Only in their excuses and sales pitch, and your lapping it up like the crowd did in the emperor's new clothes.

[SpunkyMonkey]

EntropicAngel wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

No - you assumed that, I merely said "this side of the Atlantic" - which is where Britain is.

No I did not.

This side of the atlantic =/= one country, unless that country is far and above the others in the region.

So what part of this statement is wrong -

"It's Aunty Sally this side of the Atlantic"

Britain is (from my POV as the person posting) this side of the Atlantic.

People are just argueing for the sake of it now, there's really no shame in admitting your wrong.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[upsettingshorts]

EntropicAngel's point was - I think - that if BioWare was indeed selling out every creative impulse in their collective bodies in exchange for making huge piles of cash, they'd have come up with a more pandering and less controversial ending.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

EntropicAngel's point was - I think - that if BioWare was indeed selling out every creative impulse in their collective bodies in exchange for making huge piles of cash, they'd have come up with a more pandering and less controversial ending.

It's a fair point, but I'm off now and after the Atlantic point I'm pretty convinced that no matter what I post someone will try and spin it there way round.

Enjoy the evening chaps.

[SpunkyMonkey]

EntropicAngel wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Look at ME3's ending, and look at Bioware's staunc support of it, and tell me they aren't being incredibly creative.



Only in their excuses and sales pitch, and your lapping it up like the crowd did in the emperor's new clothes.

You're hopeless, I'm pretty sure.

You're telling me that ending is what everyone wanted? You're telling me that Bioware is trying to please the masses?

When, in fact, it clearly ISN'T what everyone wanted, and

the

fact

that

Bioware

won't

change

for

money

means

that

Bioware doesn't change for just money.

You're being deliberately obtuse.

Apart from that extra ending which they released?

Anyway, like I said I'm off out, have fun

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Come on your winding me up now, you can't see that yet you're acting the bigman and trying to put me down saying I can;'t use google?

An industry like road surfacing doesn't require any creativity or anything other than the product to do a basic job. Any form of entertainment media or industry does require the creative part to be an aspect of it - treating the customers purely as a number in creative industries is wrong.

Hey, you were the one that didn't use google to look up a word you didn't understand.    I was merely trying to help.

I'm still not getting your point.  Video games are created for consumption by gamers.  In return, the developer hopes to gain a profit so they can continue to make the games so the gamers will continue to buy their product.   If they don't make a profit, they either give up or make adjustments to future games to try and please the consumer.  Thus far, multiplayer has been a proftitable experience for them.  We would not be receiving more multiplayer content unless they thought it was profitable.  They would not develop a game unless they had some sort of hope that it would be profitable. 

The creative industry does not produce things merely for enjoyment if they hope to make money as a result.  They sell their creative works in hopes that they can make a profit and continue to produce the thing they like to create.  Sorry to burst your bubble, but EA Bioware is very much a for-profit company as your factory is.

Tell me this, would you continue to stay in business if you were asked to do what you do for free or at a major loss to you, and maintain the same or better quality just because it was the right thing to do?

[mousestalker]

Am I the only one who, when someone mentions "the other side of the ocean", thinks of Numenor?

[SpunkyMonkey]

EntropicAngel wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

So what part of this statement is wrong -

"It's Aunty Sally this side of the Atlantic"

Britain is (from my POV as the person posting) this side of the Atlantic.

People are just argueing for the sake of it now, there's really no shame in admitting your wrong.

I'm looking at what you're saying a different way. But regardless, this serves no purpose.

Wow someone who actually gives a split thought to  the fact that they might not be right! I feel like I've made a major break through!!

Have fun chaps

[Xewaka]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...
Wow someone who actually gives a split thought to  the fact that they might not be right! I feel like I've made a major break through!!
Have fun chaps

The self-awareness jokes I could make...