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[ATiBotka]

I agree, OP.
But I think Destroy is renegade. Sacrifice your allies to achieve victory is renegade.

[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

If someone's belief is against everything I value, I can't agree to disagree. But why would you care?

Again not everything has to be a battle if the choce you picked appeals to you then you should be satisfied why must you aruge with hundred or thousands of other players to justify yourself if you believe what you picked was the right action for yourself?

tell that to that one Synethsis supporter you tried to bash my thread and throw an insult

[LiarasShield]

Like I said we are all different we all have different reasons for why we chose a different ending if you think you did the right thing or it satisfies you what do you really have to gain by argueing with millions or hundreds of other people by saying their evil or did the wrong thing if your satisfied where is the need for the battle?

[RethenX]

Humanity has gone to war over different beliefs and such. Unfortunately its not going to end anytime soon, so your going to have to deal with people being against your beliefs.

Modifié par RethenX, 22 août 2012 - 02:23 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I've never argued that my ending is objectively better than other's. They only depend on what YOU see to be the best for the galaxy. Be it control, destroy, synthesis or even refusal. There is no objectively "best" or "worst" ending other than what you think. But apparently it is too much to ask for that others do the same. So controllers/synthesizers are fools/tools/indoctrinated/monsters. Refusers are fools/tools/naive. All the other options are godlike.

[LiarasShield]

RethenX wrote...

Humanity has gone to war over different beliefs and such. Unfortunately its not going to end anytime soon, so your going to with to deal with people being against your beliefs.

Is it wrong to hope that people may one day accept that we are different and that we all don't have to think the same way or how dead and dull our world would be if everyone thought the same way

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

ATiBotka wrote...

I agree, OP.
But I think Destroy is renegade. Sacrifice your allies to achieve victory is renegade.

So robbing all the Galaxy of there free will and becoming a reaper God isn't renegade.

[someone else]

No, because some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong.

[RethenX]

LiarasShield wrote...

RethenX wrote...

Humanity has gone to war over different beliefs and such. Unfortunately its not going to end anytime soon, so your going to with to deal with people being against your beliefs.

Is it wrong to hope that people may one day accept that we are different and that we all don't have to think the same way or how dead and dull our world would be if everyone thought the same way

Its not going to happen anytime soon. But no its not wrong at all.

[LiarasShield]

someone else wrote...

No, because some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong.

But if you feel you're right then why must you try to prove that others are wrong what do you really have to gain from this other then endless insults and flame rants?

[ATiBotka]

DinoSteve wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

I agree, OP.
But I think Destroy is renegade. Sacrifice your allies to achieve victory is renegade.

So robbing all the Galaxy of there free will and becoming a reaper God isn't renegade.

I've never said renegade is bad, or wrong.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

LiarasShield wrote...

someone else wrote...

No, because some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong.

But if you feel you're right then why must you try to prove that others are wrong what do you really have to gain from this other then endless insults and flame rants?

Same reason why people had to make other believe the world was round.

[LiarasShield]

DinoSteve wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

someone else wrote...

No, because some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong.

But if you feel you're right then why must you try to prove that others are wrong what do you really have to gain from this other then endless insults and flame rants?

Same reason why people had to make other believe the world was round.

Ah but mass effect isn''t real though and it is science fiction so any of the endings could be considered right in a fictional universe depending on what the players think or feel is right

[iSousek]

Maybe in some different world, on some different forum...

[LiarasShield]

I mean in sense you could say that I'm using my own beliefs or values to try to bring some semblance of peace from my own point of view

[someone else]

LiarasShield wrote...

someone else wrote...

No, because some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong.

But if you feel you're right then why must you try to prove that others are wrong what do you really have to gain from this other then endless insults and flame rants?

reason #10 -pointless to try to prove that others have it wrong - they're invariably too invested in their private emotional attachments to see reason - I don't even bother anymore...
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reason #1 - Isn't that why the internet (or at least BSN) exists at all?

Point is I  am not a moral or intellectual relativist - I do not think all opinion or beliefs are 'equally valid' or entitled to stand on equal footing just because someone care to articulate them.

[SNascimento]

No, if you pick a different ending than (it's than with 'a', right?) I did, I will spend my time saying how bad your ending is and how you're evil and stuff.

[Pitznik]

LiarasShield wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

If someone's belief is against everything I value, I can't agree to disagree. But why would you care?

Again not everything has to be a battle if the choce you picked appeals to you then you should be satisfied why must you aruge with hundred or thousands of other players to justify yourself if you believe what you picked was the right action for yourself?

Why would I accept that someone is spreading what I consider to be irresponsible, wrong views? I can't accept your way of thinking any more than I could accept someone who thinks stealing is ok - it is something against everything I believe and I don't want it to spread. Accepting the evil is as evil as doing the evil - which ironically is the very same arguement I use against refusal, you didn't understand it in the refusal discussion, so it is not very likely you will understand it now.

[LiarasShield]

someone else wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

someone else wrote...

No, because some of us are right, and the rest of you are wrong.

But if you feel you're right then why must you try to prove that others are wrong what do you really have to gain from this other then endless insults and flame rants?

reason #10 -pointless to try to prove that others have it wrong - they're invariably too invested in their private emotional attachments to see reason - I don't even bother anymore...
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reason #1 - Isn't that why the internet (or at least BSN) exists at all?

Point is I  am not a moral or intellectual relativist - I do not think all opinion or beliefs are 'equally valid' or entitled to stand on equal footing just because someone care to articulate them.

But wouldn't it be better for all ideas or believes to be taken into account if all people are created equal then shouldn't each individual have the right to have their own voice heard to explain why this ending works for you or why you like the ending

It is a bit different then trying to force your own believes or ideas onto other people

by the way something you shouldn't do at least to me pitznik


Also another main reason why I don't agree with the crucible choices is that they're being offered by the same being who has used the reapers to burn or destroy the universe a millenia times over I have no true reason to believe what it says and yes I'd rather die free and fight for my principals


Then trust the being that has used the reapers to destroy or burn our galaxy to begin with

Modifié par LiarasShield, 22 août 2012 - 02:44 .

[Soultaker08]

welcome to the internet ....

[AbnormalJoe]

...I like the fact that this devolved into fighting about the endings... on a thread that tries to say that we should agree about different points of view.

but to OP: I do agree. I consider Mass Effect 3's ending to be more of an Intelligence thing then more so. I mean, yeah, sure you can kill them and be done with them... but what if they're forced to do the will of the Catalyst and by chosing Synthesis, you're freeing them as well as bringing everyone up? or by Controling them, they are no longer subjected by an Insane AI trying to stop whatever it thinks it's trying to stop? it's really thought provoking, if you dig deep enough.

[fiendishchicken]

Nope.

My opinions are better than your opinions.

Fact.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 22 août 2012 - 02:47 .

[LiarasShield]

AbnormalJoe wrote...

...I like the fact that this devolved into fighting about the endings... on a thread that tries to say that we should agree about different points of view.

but to OP: I do agree. I consider Mass Effect 3's ending to be more of an Intelligence thing then more so. I mean, yeah, sure you can kill them and be done with them... but what if they're forced to do the will of the Catalyst and by chosing Synthesis, you're freeing them as well as bringing everyone up? or by Controling them, they are no longer subjected by an Insane AI trying to stop whatever it thinks it's trying to stop? it's really thought provoking, if you dig deep enough.

I understand this point of view and respect it despite not entirely agreeing with it I respect the way you see the endings and yes it is really thought provoking when you think of those two endings like that ^^

Modifié par LiarasShield, 22 août 2012 - 02:49 .

[LiarasShield]

What I'm trying to do is limit the infighting on bsn it may work it may not work it all depends on you my very interesting bsn users ^^

[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

What I'm trying to do is limit the infighting on bsn it may work it may not work it all depends on you my very interesting bsn users ^^

 lol