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[Tealjaker94]

Nope. I believe we all have the same beliefs and the same reasons for picking a particular ending.

[LiarasShield]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Nope. I believe we all have the same beliefs and the same reasons for picking a particular ending.

If that is the case then why are we even argueing or fighting with each other lol?

[Lonsecia]

I think people in general have the belief that what they believe must be real or else they have to question themselves. never try and question yourself. It's creepy and people look at you in a funny way.

Taking that more seriously for a moment: People -want- to believe what they think they know as the truth is the universal. It validates us in a way that very little else can. It's why there's the etiquette about no talk of Religion or Politics at the dinner table.
Even before the internet, people used to correspond via letters in public places, often having -huge- disputes over one thing or another. very often it'd be famous writers or scientists. Unlike nowadays, they were prominent figures and had no anonymity. Since that's changed though, the desire in a lot of people to confront other ideals has grown exponentially. I think the anonymity afforded people is the driving force, as well as easier access to information (that may or may not be accurate).
Sometimes the arguments are valid, and the dismissal of an idea is a good thing, though there are obviously right and wrong ways to go about it.
I think most people feel that maybe if they convey their opinion well, they might just convert some people with reason. Of course that can actually happen, but most people's desire to defend their ideals takes precedent, and that's when the flaming and so forth escalates.
I personally try and avoid getting involved in most of them, mostly because when you've come across truly reprehensible ideals on the web, the details of how a game ends become rather trivial.
I tend to only get miffed when certain people show over-the-top bias towards/for one ending over another, and then label fans of endings they dislike with incredibly hateful comments, and even then I can't be bothered because I hate all the endings equally.

[Tealjaker94]

LiarasShield wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Nope. I believe we all have the same beliefs and the same reasons for picking a particular ending.

If that is the case then why are we even argueing or fighting with each other lol?

Arguing and fighting? On the BSN? Preposterous!

[someone else]

LiaraShields wrote...
But wouldn't it be better for all ideas or believes to be taken into account if all people are created equal then shouldn't each individual have the right to have their own voice heard to explain why this ending works for you or why you like the ending

It is a bit different then trying to force your own believes or ideas onto other people

by the way something you shouldn't do at least to me pitznik

Also another main reason why I don't agree with the crucible choices is that they're being offered by the same being who has used the reapers to burn or destroy the universe a millenia times over I have no true reason to believe what it says and yes I'd rather die free and fight for my principals

Then trust the being that has used the reapers to destroy or burn our galaxy to begin with

1. All the evidence I have seen negates the claim that "all people are created equal" - mere aspirational declarations to that effect do not make it so. Likewise the idea that individuals have inherent "rights" is a relatively recent (post-enligtenment) concept that would seem alien in many cultures.

So to assume that it will be "better" (whatever that means) for every variant perspective to be treated as "equally valid" is insupportable as a stand-alone propostion at best, and destructive of any hope of arriving at meaning or understanding (I would avoid using the word "truth") at the worst.

2. It is impossible to "force" beliefs or ideas on others (without resorting to extremes of physical and mental coercion) - this is why rational argumentation will always fail when pitted against emotionally rooted belief or predjudice, or matter of faith.

3. ?pitznik?

4.  -my disappointment in BW's handling of M3 goes far beyond spacebrat and the ending...but bfd...

Modifié par someone else, 22 août 2012 - 03:09 .

[Jadebaby]

This thread wouldn't be complaining about complaining, wud it?

[Comsky159]

Eugh why would you even create this thread. Surely you must have known what it would descend into.

[Red Panda]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread wouldn't be complaining about complaining, wud it?

Yes, it would.

[LiarasShield]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread wouldn't be complaining about complaining, wud it?

I'm just trying to figure out a way to limit the infighting on bsn I don't think it is really helping anybody and I think it is only painting ourselves in a negative light towards bioware

[AresKeith]

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread wouldn't be complaining about complaining, wud it?

I'm just trying to figure out a way to limit the infighting on bsn I don't think it is really helping anybody and I think it is only painting ourselves in a negative light towards bioware

well Bioware did want people talking about ME3 for a long time, but I guess it backfired on them or this is what they wanted lol

[D24O]

OP you must be new.

[iSousek]

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread wouldn't be complaining about complaining, wud it?

I'm just trying to figure out a way to limit the infighting on bsn I don't think it is really helping anybody and I think it is only painting ourselves in a negative light towards bioware

Unfortunately, this is not something you can influence. Not everybody understands that different people, coming from different cultures, raised under different doctrines and having different ideologies can come to different conclusions on the same topic.
Even less people will understand that their views are mostly a side result of those parameters and are in no way, objectively, more correct or incorrect than those of the others.

[LiarasShield]

D24O wrote...

OP you must be new.

Well I'm not that new if you check the month and the day I joined here lol

[LiarasShield]

Also I think the misbelieve that all humans who died will now get harvested I believe this is wrong because you can't harvest them if they're dead

I mean they needed live humans to try to create the human reaper did everyone forget that?

But yes if you think the ending was right for you then why can't people be satisfied this is a fictional game it isn't even real so why can't each player be able to choose the ending that they wanted and felt right for their own shepards?

Modifié par LiarasShield, 22 août 2012 - 03:19 .

[Jadebaby]

iSousek wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread wouldn't be complaining about complaining, wud it?

I'm just trying to figure out a way to limit the infighting on bsn I don't think it is really helping anybody and I think it is only painting ourselves in a negative light towards bioware

Unfortunately, this is not something you can influence. Not everybody understands that different people, coming from different cultures, raised under different doctrines and having different ideologies can come to different conclusions on the same topic.
Even less people will understand that their views are mostly a side result of those parameters and are in no way, objectively, more correct or incorrect than those of the others.

I think above all, whats' more important is that some people just don't care.

As sad as it is to say, some people have nothing better to do then start wars on the internet, BSN is no exception to this.

And then you have trolls.

I love what you're trying to do, I really do. It's a great quality to have in someone, to be able to put yourself in other's shoes and empathize with them, even if you don't necessarily agree with them.

I think everyone here is just sick of all the ending crap as much as BioWare are, but BioWare brought it upon themselves, they knew these three(four) diverse endings would split their fanbase, they had to know that. Therefore the only people that can stop this are BioWare.

Heck, there will probably be more people that sign up in the future that will go on about it. And even if you do achieve peace here, right now, with this thread. Those future people will have undone all the fine work you've done here.

[D24O]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I'm not that new if you check the month and the day I joined here lol

Lol I know, I've seen you around. Just making a joke about the atmosphere of the Story section.

[someone else]

OP - you may find the story of King Canute instructive, who learned humility in his failure to command the tides from innundating his shoreline

[LiarasShield]

someone else wrote...

OP - you may find the story of King Canute instructive, who learned humility in his failure to command the tides from innundating his shoreline

Well I just don't think we should try to force our believes onto others call me childish if you think that is wrong but yeah

I'm also a woman so you may not understand me lol

[AngryFrozenWater]

LiarasShield wrote...

Every individual has different believes of what is right and wrong every individual has different believes on what ending is the best to them or what ending they like more

So what I'm asking is could we all agree that we have different believes and views for why we choose a particular choice.

That's fine when you keep your motivations to yourself. When you post about them on the forums then it is likely that someone out there does not agree. You then have a discussion - at least some have. Ghehe. And that is what supposed to be the idea of forums and thus trying to shut people up, does not make sense.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 22 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[LiarasShield]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Every individual has different believes of what is right and wrong every individual has different believes on what ending is the best to them or what ending they like more

So what I'm asking is could we all agree that we have different believes and views for why we choose a particular choice.

That's fine when you keep your motivations to yourself. When you post about them on the forums then it is likely that someone out there does not agree. You then have a discussion - at least some have. Ghehe. And that is what supposed to be the idea of forums and thus trying to shut people up, does not make sense.

Well for me it isn't about getting people to shut up it is more among the line of trying to establish a little bit of peace and perhaps get some players to realize that it is a ending to their own shepards not everyone elses

[AbnormalJoe]

I believe one or two things will eventually happen here on BSN: ether it'll just stay in the sorry state it is untill the end of the site, or we need to put on our big boy / girl pants and ether: just say the ending is the ending and leave it at that, or a real debate without name calling or anything, weighing Pros and Cons about all 4 endings and reasons why we chose the ending(s) we did.

[Baa Baa]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

IRL, yes.

On the internet, no.

Why is that though?

It's much more fun to mess with people. I totally agree that we're all entitled to our opinion though.

So true.

[LiarasShield]

AbnormalJoe wrote...

I believe one or two things will eventually happen here on BSN: ether it'll just stay in the sorry state it is untill the end of the site, or we need to put on our big boy / girl pants and ether: just say the ending is the ending and leave it at that, or a real debate without name calling or anything, weighing Pros and Cons about all 4 endings and reasons why we chose the ending(s) we did.

Indeed sounds good ^^

[alsonamedbort]

The fact that this story is (gasp!) not real means primarily that the final decision can be made in a relative vacuum. People make it without really feeling the weight of all the terrible things people shout about when they decry a particular ending. And yet people continue to act as though making a choice they disagree with means that someone is ignorant/genocidal/uncaring/evil/racist/whatever, as if the choice really does reflect someone's "character."

However, I notice people don't seem to be making those kinds of arguments against people who don't cure the genophage, or who blow up that gas chamber in ME2 in the Okeer mission, or who let the mercenaries all die a terrible death in Zaeed's loyalty mission. It's because this stuff is not real, and people can make whatever decisions they want without having some lasting impact on society.

TL;DR—Condemning people for making a choice in a video game is stupid, because it's a video game.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Yesterday I started a thread calling for no ending to be a canon ending and soon after there were those who wanted to see Destroy be the only ending and attack all the other endings, just the same as it is here in this thread?

It seems ironic that Control and Synthesis are the peaceful resolutions ending, where as Destroy is the "kill anything that's not us" ending, you could say ending choice is reflected on said player's personality