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[sinosleep]

congokurtz wrote..

This is the first time I have heard of gernades being used as a tactic on the Gaxkang fight (or any fight really).  But, if it works I guess you should do it.  I generally didn't fight Gaxkang until I was in the late teen levels.  Maybe that was a big diffrence.  But there is really no danger in that fight.  His caster form is the only real danger and he is only in it for half the fight, and since the fight only lasts about 30secs that means only about 15 secs of caster form.  My last battle with him was with my PC arcane warrior and a respeced Alister and Liliana both to DW with Wynn healing. I think that fight actually lasted longer than my previous play through as a DW warrior with a stock Zev, Ogrehn, and Morrigan.  The fight is so easy, stand and kill, I think my last playthrough was the only time I had dispell magic which means the previous two nighmare attempts (DW warrior and cunning rouge) were done with no dispells other than the templar's.

Grenades will cheese practically anything to death if you have enough of them. They do 75 damage a pop, and the cool down is type specific. This is important because there are 5 types of grenades, and while you need lvl 2 poison to make them, you only need level 1 poison to use them. So, if you have all 5 types of grenades you can have your whole party chuck them at the same time. The damage is instant, essentially you can do 75 x 4 damage instantly then go on to the next grenade type. If you have all 5 it's a pretty damned effective tact that can net you 1500 damage in no time. I used this on Gaxkang till I ran out of grenades and then had to melee him to the end. I've done this more than once. I'm having a very hard time believing Gaxkang dies in 30 seconds. I've also never seen him change any forms so I'm starting to think we aren't talking about the same battle. Gaxkang shifts at the beginning of the fight and that's the only shift I've ever seen.

edited or idiocy

He shifts, I'm just didn't remember since I haven't fought him since early last playthrough.

Modifié par sinosleep, 23 décembre 2009 - 08:56 .

[Grommash94]

Na, Gaxkang is a piece of cake...especially if u have a templar.

[Bullets McDeath]

LOL, I didn't mean to start a debate over which fight was harder. I just wonder if someone who's handy with the toolset can discover if the game keeps a list of foes in the game, in order of their power rank? Just curious because I KNOW I got the last blow on the Archdemon... my mage army was dead and I purposefully sent my whole party on a long walk when I knew I had the Archdemon on it's last legs, so no one killstole it from me.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 23 décembre 2009 - 08:53 .

[Exploding8]

I still don't see how Gaxkang is such a big deal. I killed him my first try. All you need is Mana Clash, it brought him down to half health for me.



I found the Spider Queen to be more difficult than Gaxkang for sure. And I actually had to reload at the Archdemon.

[Dasim4]

To be honest the Archdemon is a cakewalk if you know what to do even without the Ballistas. The army can even handle the adds if you wish. But really there is no single mob in the game that should be giving anyone so much trouble as long as they have proper gear and know how to play their party to it's fullest abilities. If this thread wasn't made I would have never had any idea Gaxkang was supposed to be hard, and that's not bragging because he just didn't seem hard at all to me. I just put my guys on him like any other solo mob and he went down in short order. Maybe some people hit him up too early or with bad gear or something. Not sure be he really isn't that difficult.

[Bullets McDeath]

Again, the point of the thread is not which is the more difficult battle (which is totally subjective and not my concern since I face-raped both encounters), but why my "Most Powerful Foe" slain would be listed as Gaxkang and not the Archdemon.

[sinosleep]

Exploding8 wrote...

I still don't see how Gaxkang is such a big deal. I killed him my first try. All you need is Mana Clash, it brought him down to half health for me.

I found the Spider Queen to be more difficult than Gaxkang for sure. And I actually had to reload at the Archdemon.

Spider Queen is a pain, but she's easier grenade spam than Gaxkang is. And no, I don't grenade spam every boss and on top o that it's entiretly party dependant. On my latest run I run a full melee party, considering the Spider Queen dies that garbage aoe dot that kills everyone like nothing and I have no party healers or cc that's particularly effective on her grenade spam is the only way to take her down. I beat the highdragon, brood mother, and everyone else in game bar the spider queen and gaxkang without grenade spam.

Modifié par sinosleep, 23 décembre 2009 - 09:11 .

[Valaskjalf]

i think gaxkang lasted all of 20 seconds with me... one run was with 3 chars with paralyze ruins and a creation mage, another was 3 mages (1 spirit, 1 entropy, 1 creation) and a templar, and last one was a dagger rouge, templar, hex mage, and shale



of course archdemon is even easier. +75 spirit resit helm, you can tank it solo and all the adds die when it lays the vortex on top of you...

[borelocin]

Gaxkang is officially the most powerful.



Yes both he and the Archdemon are easily beaten with specific party makups and micro-management.



Take the wrong party or use the wrong tactics and Gax will pin your ears back and swallow you whole

[kingthrall]

its kind of funny that gax is the strongest foe. because really, i would of expected to find more than just that character hard. I mean every other enemy just dies wihtout a fight including the broodmother and all the other monsters, but gax is the only one who actually faught with any dignity.



there needs to be tougher enemies and some actual enemy heroes.

[castaftw]

Baldurs Gate 2 ToB with David Gaiders stronger bosses mod, now that was a fun challenge.. when Melissan reincarnated the 5 and you had to fight them all at once, toughest fight I have ever done in any game.



Now for Dragon Age, I really don't know why people are encountering Gaxkang at level 10-14 since you have to go to about 3 different arcs in the game to do the encounter, anyway if you want to kill him that early be my guest, but I really don't see the point. I myself killed him multiple times on nightmare and have never thought of him as hard, I always have him tanked with a healer for backup and no matter the other party they always get the job done...

[Loc'n'lol]

Exploding8 wrote...

I still don't see how Gaxkang is such a big deal. I killed him my first try. All you need is Mana Clash, it brought him down to half health for me.

Yeah, what's the big deal, srsly ? I abuse some broken ability and it makes the fight trivial, wtf ?

[WillieStyle]

Gaxkang is perfect evidence that dps matters, A LOT.

If you have high dps, you can burn Gax down before he can chain cast spells at you.

Also, with high enough dps, you'll kill him before you run out of crowd control spells.

If you don't have enough dps, the fight becomes much harder.



On my last play through, my group burned him down so fast, he spent the entire fight switching between melee and caster forms while hardly casting a single spell.

[fantasypisces]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Exploding8 wrote...

I still don't see how Gaxkang is such a big deal. I killed him my first try. All you need is Mana Clash, it brought him down to half health for me.

Yeah, what's the big deal, srsly ? I abuse some broken ability and it makes the fight trivial, wtf ?

Exactly what I was thinking
Oh I dunno MR. Just use Mana-Clash, maybe not all groups have that ability?

[Sarevok Anchev]

I ReVaNChisT I wrote...

Gaxkang is much stronger.

not when you have mana clash and three warriors that cant be knocked down

Use Glyph of Neutralization and u wont even need the Warriors ^^

[Wompoo]

dark-lauron wrote...

It's like comparing Kangaxx with Jon Irenicus. The first will destroy your entire party in less than 10 seconds if without preparation, the second will still be able to do so, but with the help of many demons.
Gaxkang is much stronger.

Yep, Kangaxx can be yawn of a fight once you have magic immunity up from Adventure Mart and use Flame Tognue at lvl 11  so much for spam imprisonment ... same applies to this  game, get the right combination going and all bosses are easy.

Modifié par Wompoo, 24 décembre 2009 - 07:19 .

[Eragondragonrider]

I don't think Gaxkang is that hard of a fight, I found more trouble fighting the broodmother than him, only because i could not get behind her to backstab.

[Faerell Gustani]

I ReVaNChisT I wrote...

Gaxkang is much stronger.

not when you have mana clash and three warriors that cant be knocked down

You totally do not need mana clash.  Beat him in 2 tries.
You just need to heal though his initial burst of spells, then mana-drain him.  It's sufficient if your mage is specced right an you position yourself to minimize AoE damage.  Mana clash would certainly simplify it, but it is unnecessary.
Once he's out of mana, he becomes a weaker revenant.

[Kavva]

Just a thought i had - in bg2 there was an demilich called Kangaxx (Gaxkang <- kinda similliar) and it was one of the thoughest fights in game so i suppose yeah he could be stronger than archdemon

[sjibben]

The first time I fought him he took my whole party out pretty quickly. After the reload, I turned on Cleansing Aura with my Level 19 mage, and we took him out in no time. Cleansing Aura worked great on my party in the small space that you fight him in.

[Deya Cysvar]

He is easy, just use petrify on him, then let zevran take care of the rest. The archdemon is also easy if you have the mages or elves and move around a lot.

[Eshme]

I had tried Gaxkang again when i had a glyph of neutralization, and then it was a joke. It had no more magic. I think it was left with a wimpy melee boxing attack.

Compared to when i didnt have that glyph it was a impossible fight.



Duno if that makes it hard or easy.

[Love-Buzz]

Gax is much harder than the archdemon, but my 2H'er still solo'd him on nightmare.

[sinosleep]

castaftw wrote...

Baldurs Gate 2 ToB with David Gaiders stronger bosses mod, now that was a fun challenge.. when Melissan reincarnated the 5 and you had to fight them all at once, toughest fight I have ever done in any game.

Now for Dragon Age, I really don't know why people are encountering Gaxkang at level 10-14 since you have to go to about 3 different arcs in the game to do the encounter, anyway if you want to kill him that early be my guest, but I really don't see the point. I myself killed him multiple times on nightmare and have never thought of him as hard, I always have him tanked with a healer for backup and no matter the other party they always get the job done...

Wanted to get keening blade early, so I just did the first part of sacred ashes to get the clue, went to orzammar got the other clue, then actually cleared most of the werewolf lair to get that clue and went to go get my sword. This latest playthrough though I played an archer rogue so I didn't care much for finding really god 1 handed swords and as such am level 17 and still haven't fought him. I'll face him soon enough.

[Balthazars55]

I sure as heck hope that Gaxxkang is not harder than the Archdemon. Just killed him yesterday with my PC on level 20 (everyone else 19) with a party composed to Wynne, Zeveran and Ogrhen and he went down pretty easily on normal difficulty.