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[estebanus]

Bill Casey wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Altering every living thing is not making peace...
It's just horrible...

I'm gonna have to agree on this, but only if it is forced, like in the endings. If organics will achieve synthesis by themselves, then it should be up to the single individual whether s/he'll be altered.

EDI and Paragon Shepard have a conversation where they essentially say this...

Indeed.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

ATiBotka wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...


when you take away a persons right to chose you enslave them.

In destroy, you take away their right to choose. Even in control.

Everyone joined you in this war because they all believe you will destroy the reapers, you are even ordered to do it. You take nothing away frm anyone in destroy as its what you were meant to do.

[RadicalDisconnect]

DinoSteve wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

No, you changed everyones dna against their will and also leaving the Reapers alive. Leaving the Reapers alive or not in check is a betrayal.

I made peace with them. I'm not a traitor.

Ah so slavery is peace now.

I'm pretty sick of the strawman now.

Violating free will and removing free will aren't one and the same. Do they have similarities, yes. Are they the same, no.

if you violate someones free once whats to stop you doing it a second time, if you enforce you will upon another without there premission even once you enslave them to your will, there is no grey, there is only black and white.

Want to give me a reason that doesn't involve slippery slope logic? I guess everyone in the US is a slave now due to the government enacting martial law during times of crisis eh? Or that everyone is a slave due to the PATRIOT Act?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 22 août 2012 - 10:07 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

fchopin wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's not slavery, not even close. <_<

It is slavery it changes a person in to a zombie with out any like or dislikes.
 
A non thinking person.

Show me the proof.

[estebanus]

ATiBotka wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

"Synthesis cannot be force"

yet you and the Starbrat do it anyway

The galaxy is ready for it (If you have 2800 EMS).

Because some AI says so? Isn't someone first really ready for something if they made it by themselves? Wouldn't synthesis be the exact same thing like giving nukes to cavemen?

[ATiBotka]

DinoSteve wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...


when you take away a persons right to chose you enslave them.

In destroy, you take away their right to choose. Even in control.

Everyone joined you in this war because they all believe you will destroy the reapers

In this, i agree.

[iSpaceMarine]

 I've always thought Synthesis was the worst choice as well. And something I've recently come up with... I think the one and only purpose of that Shepard breathing scene being there is to prove that the Starchild was lying. I don't think I'm the first to come up with this, probably not. But I'd say the evidence is there.

EDI walked out of the Normandy for some players during the Destroy option and Shepard, who is part Synthetic, survived. The whole point of that breath scene, imo, was definite proof of the starchild being a liar.

That or the IT. But I don't really buy the IT.

[Ravensword]

A lotta people like to choose destroy b/c their Shepard lives at the end, but if destroy kills all synthetics, then what does that mean for Shepard who is partially synthetic as well (remember Lazarus)?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

No, you changed everyones dna against their will and also leaving the Reapers alive. Leaving the Reapers alive or not in check is a betrayal.

I made peace with them. I'm not a traitor.

Ah so slavery is peace now.

I'm pretty sick of the strawman now.

Violating free will and removing free will aren't one and the same. Do they have similarities, yes. Are they the same, no.

if you violate someones free once whats to stop you doing it a second time, if you enforce you will upon another without there premission even once you enslave them to your will, there is no grey, there is only black and white.

Want to give me a reason that doesn't involve slippery slope logic? I guess everyone in the US is a slave now due to the PATRIOT Act eh?

I did, no one has the right to violate anothers free will.


And Americas patriot act is bull****. Its one of the reason I would not go there.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 22 août 2012 - 10:09 .

[Bill Casey]

Ravensword wrote...

A lotta people like to choose destroy b/c their Shepard lives at the end, but if destroy kills all synthetics, then what does that mean for Shepard who is partially synthetic as well (remember Lazarus)?

That the catalyst lied?

[ATiBotka]

iSpaceMarine wrote...

 I've always thought Synthesis was the worst choice as well. And something I've recently come up with... I think the one and only purpose of that Shepard breathing scene being there is to prove that the Starchild was lying. I don't think I'm the first to come up with this, probably not. But I'd say the evidence is there.

EDI walked out of the Normandy for some players during the Destroy option and Shepard, who is part Synthetic, survived. The whole point of that breath scene, imo, was definite proof of the starchild being a liar.

That or the IT. But I don't really buy the IT.

Before EC, there was a bug, when EDI survived destroy. But after EC, she dies. And the Catalyst doesn't lie.

[RadicalDisconnect]

DinoSteve wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

if you violate someones free once whats to stop you doing it a second time, if you enforce you will upon another without there premission even once you enslave them to your will, there is no grey, there is only black and white.

Want to give me a reason that doesn't involve slippery slope logic? I guess everyone in the US is a slave now due to the PATRIOT Act eh?

I did, no one has the right to violate anothers free will.

I agree. However, you're claiming that violating another's free will is the same as completely removing it. That is not true. By your reasoning, then the Abraham Lincoln enslaved the US by enacting martial law during the American Civil War.

[AresKeith]

ATiBotka wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

"Synthesis cannot be force"

yet you and the Starbrat do it anyway

The galaxy is ready for it (If you have 2800 EMS).

if there "ready" then why do you need to force it, and the entire galaxy isn't even advanced

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

if you violate someones free once whats to stop you doing it a second time, if you enforce you will upon another without there premission even once you enslave them to your will, there is no grey, there is only black and white.

Want to give me a reason that doesn't involve slippery slope logic? I guess everyone in the US is a slave now due to the PATRIOT Act eh?

I did, no one has the right to violate anothers free will.

I agree. However, you're claiming that violating another's free will is the same as completely removing it. That is not true. By your reasoning, then the Abraham Lincoln enslaved the US by enacting martial law during the American Civil War.

agreed

[RadicalDisconnect]

DinoSteve wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

if you violate someones free once whats to stop you doing it a second time, if you enforce you will upon another without there premission even once you enslave them to your will, there is no grey, there is only black and white.

Want to give me a reason that doesn't involve slippery slope logic? I guess everyone in the US is a slave now due to the PATRIOT Act eh?

I did, no one has the right to violate anothers free will.

I agree. However, you're claiming that violating another's free will is the same as completely removing it. That is not true. By your reasoning, then Abraham Lincoln enslaved the US by enacting martial law during the American Civil War.

agreed

Really?

Are you honestly saying that the bolded part is true?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 22 août 2012 - 10:14 .

[fchopin]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

fchopin wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's not slavery, not even close. <_<

It is slavery it changes a person in to a zombie with out any like or dislikes.
 
A non thinking person.

Show me the proof.

There are people you like and there other people you do not like is that correct?
 
If i change you and you like everyone then you are no longer the person you was, before you used reason and feelings to decide if you liked someone but i took that away from you and you are now a slave without realising it.
 
You have become a person who likes everyone without having the experience what it is like to discuss things with people and change yourself with experience.
 
Experience is what teaches us and not by becoming a zombie, zombiedom is not learning with experience.

Proof is inside your own mind, don't look for it outside.

Modifié par fchopin, 22 août 2012 - 10:14 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This thread is fun.

Sadly, not anymore. Not after TBO arsewhooping finished.

Only AresKeith/Baronista/Applepie-Svk are more dissappointed than I with how that ended. xD

[Ravensword]

Bill Casey wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

A lotta people like to choose destroy b/c their Shepard lives at the end, but if destroy kills all synthetics, then what does that mean for Shepard who is partially synthetic as well (remember Lazarus)?

That the catalyst lied?

Destroy is supposed to destroy all synthetics in the galaxy, and I assume that that it would be no different w/ Shepards cybernetic implants as well.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Yep no one person should be able to enact Martial law, and no one has the right to take away another person right to do anything they want. Besides enacting Martial law and forcing an irrevocable genetic change in someone are two different things.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 22 août 2012 - 10:19 .

[ATiBotka]

AresKeith wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

"Synthesis cannot be force"

yet you and the Starbrat do it anyway

The galaxy is ready for it (If you have 2800 EMS).

if there "ready" then why do you need to force it, and the entire galaxy isn't even advanced

I'm sure the less advanced species will be okay.

[estebanus]

ATiBotka wrote...

iSpaceMarine wrote...

 I've always thought Synthesis was the worst choice as well. And something I've recently come up with... I think the one and only purpose of that Shepard breathing scene being there is to prove that the Starchild was lying. I don't think I'm the first to come up with this, probably not. But I'd say the evidence is there.

EDI walked out of the Normandy for some players during the Destroy option and Shepard, who is part Synthetic, survived. The whole point of that breath scene, imo, was definite proof of the starchild being a liar.

That or the IT. But I don't really buy the IT.

Before EC, there was a bug, when EDI survived destroy. But after EC, she dies. And the Catalyst doesn't lie.

Oh really? Well, then how do you explain Shepard's survival? I mean, s/he first got all his/her synthetic implants deactivated, she then walked right into an explosion, while afterwards being ingulfed into another explosion that would certanly have the power of several megaton, considering the citadel's inner ring being destroyed, even though it has quantum shielding. Yet, s/he somehow manages to survive all that with nothing else but a pile of broken armor and no synthetic implants whatsoever?

[XxDarkTimexX]

AresKeith wrote...

I would rather be a super Sayian or a mutant from X-men

hell yeah

[ATiBotka]

Ravensword wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

A lotta people like to choose destroy b/c their Shepard lives at the end, but if destroy kills all synthetics, then what does that mean for Shepard who is partially synthetic as well (remember Lazarus)?

That the catalyst lied?

Destroy is supposed to destroy all synthetics in the galaxy, and I assume that that it would be no different w/ Shepards cybernetic implants as well.

But what if Shep can live without the implants?

[iSpaceMarine]

ATiBotka wrote...

iSpaceMarine wrote...

 I've always thought Synthesis was the worst choice as well. And something I've recently come up with... I think the one and only purpose of that Shepard breathing scene being there is to prove that the Starchild was lying. I don't think I'm the first to come up with this, probably not. But I'd say the evidence is there.

EDI walked out of the Normandy for some players during the Destroy option and Shepard, who is part Synthetic, survived. The whole point of that breath scene, imo, was definite proof of the starchild being a liar.

That or the IT. But I don't really buy the IT.

Before EC, there was a bug, when EDI survived destroy. But after EC, she dies. And the Catalyst doesn't lie.

I think it wasn't a bug. Here: 
http://imageshack.us...729254.jpg/sr=1 

There's even more proof in the fact that Shepard, who is part Synthetic, took a breath.

[ATiBotka]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This thread is fun.

Sadly, not anymore. Not after TBO arsewhooping finished.

Modifié par ATiBotka, 22 août 2012 - 10:26 .