ATiBotka wrote...
ghost9191 wrote...
as much as the geth are <_<
yeah yeah , don';t even say it
So, you think the geth are just machines? Okay.
didn;t i say "don't even say it"
i made a unfunny joke IS THAT A CRIME!?!?!?
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didn;t i say "don't even say it"
i made a unfunny joke IS THAT A CRIME!?!?!?
Retour en haut
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I would not talk if I was you.
The Reapers are using your body for sloppy seconds.
If you say so, mr/ms Overthinking Theory
Don't hate if you don't have the brains to comprehend it.
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:10
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ghost9191 wrote...
ATiBotka wrote...
ghost9191 wrote...
as much as the geth are <_<
yeah yeah , don';t even say it
So, you think the geth are just machines? Okay.
didn;t i say "don't even say it"
i made a unfunny joke IS THAT A CRIME!?!?!?
Yes! Shame on you!
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:12
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Hannah Montana wrote...
Don't hate if you don't have the brains to comprehend it.
Oh, personal insults now?
Pile of dead bodies uses ME1 textures... that's A SIGN!!!!!11
Blue and red colors on Normandy... THAT"S A FORESHADOWING! Tha'ts a SIGNN!!!
And looks like The Angry One fails so hard trying to support his nonsense that can only argue with 2 people at once
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DinoSteve wrote...
This, anything else makes you a ****ty human and an even worse solider.
Yup, murdering entire Galaxy along with your species makes you proud human and heroic soldier.
dying like a retard doesn't mean you're a hero
I didn't murder an entire Galaxy, I chose Destroy it has the least amount of casualties.
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Solaxe wrote...
Hannah Montana wrote...
Don't hate if you don't have the brains to comprehend it.
Oh, personal insults now?
Pile of dead bodies uses ME1 textures... that's A SIGN!!!!!11
Blue and red colors on Normandy... THAT"S A FORESHADOWING! Tha'ts a SIGNN!!!
And looks like The Angry One fails so hard trying to support his nonsense that can only argue with 2 people at once
What are you talking about? IT?
If you think I was talking about IT then my last post about you is true.
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:18
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Solaxe wrote...
Hannah Montana wrote...
Don't hate if you don't have the brains to comprehend it.
Oh, personal insults now?
Pile of dead bodies uses ME1 textures... that's A SIGN!!!!!11
Blue and red colors on Normandy... THAT"S A FORESHADOWING! Tha'ts a SIGNN!!!
And looks like The Angry One fails so hard trying to support his nonsense that can only argue with 2 people at once
You're running around in circles and making personal attacks. I can only take so much of that before I sigh and move on.
So,
*sighs*
*moves on*
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:19
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What are you talking about? IT?
If you think I was talking about IT then my last post about you is true.
You assumed 2 times that I or my Shep is indoctrinated.
But if only thing you can do is insulting others, then I don't want to talk with you.
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You're running around in circles and making personal attacks. I can only take so much of that before I sigh and move on.
So,
I wrecked all of your arguments, so you flew away. But you're one of those "I'm always right" people. NOBODY agrees with you here.
The Angry One wrote...
making personal attacks
wow are you serious?
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Pile of dead bodies uses ME1 textures... that's A SIGN!!!!!11
Blue and red colors on Normandy... THAT"S A FORESHADOWING! Tha'ts a SIGNN!!!
Yes, it's a sign of Bioware's lazyness.
Solaxe wrote...
And looks like The Angry One fails so hard trying to support his nonsense that can only argue with 2 people at once
What was that, the boled part, i didn't think you could sink any lower.
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Sry synthesis supporters, I don't like it.
Sry to everyone arguing in this thread, but just shut up, both sides.
Except for you D24O, mod of the year.
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Solaxe wrote...
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What are you talking about? IT?
If you think I was talking about IT then my last post about you is true.
You assumed 2 times that I or my Shep is indoctrinated.
But if only thing you can do is insulting others, then I don't want to talk with you.
Saying your Shepard is Indoctrinated after he chooses a path, is not the same as IT.
I said that it was not a dream, and the dream only begins when he knocked out by the blast.
Harbinger is probably up at your body going at it, he probably dropped it on earth afterwards, broken and just able to get 1 breathe out.
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What was that, the boled part, i didn't think you could sink any lower.
Because I know everyone's gender right.
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I wrecked all of your arguments, so you flew away. But you're one of those "I'm always right" people. NOBODY agrees with you here.
3 people don't agree with me. Yes? And?
I forgot, is truth democratic now?
wow are you serious?
Yes I'm serious, you've been jabbing people for a while now.
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Solaxe wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
What was that, the boled part, i didn't think you could sink any lower.
Because I know everyone's gender right.
Supposition.
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Solaxe wrote...
Fixers0 wrote...
What was that, the boled part, i didn't think you could sink any lower.
Because I know everyone's gender right.
way to go pal, bet you feel big
#193
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[quote]The Angry One wrote...
[quote]saracen16 wrote...
It tried "a similar solution". This is what it "flat out" says, TAO. Whether it tried the solution or not is irrelevant.[/quote]
It is all that's relevant.[/quote]
What I meant to say is that whether the solution that it tried before is also present in the Crucible is does not matter. You misunderstood my point.
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[quote]Because the Crucible has introduced new variables to the Catalyst. The solutions of "destroy" and "control" as well as synthesis itself are not known until the Crucible and Catalyst interface with it. None of the organics of this cycle knew what the Crucible was intended to do, and from the looks of it, there is a big chance that not even those of previous cycles knew what it was intended to do, either.[/quote]
Don't deflect the question. How can it do this if nobody encountered the Catalyst?
Also, "The Crucible is little more than a power source."[/quote]
I'm not deflecting the question. I'm telling you that no one knew that the Crucible's function is to either destroy or control the Reapers let alone synthesize machine and flesh together. All they know is that it contained parameters that have changed the Catalyst's viewpoint on implementing the solution. That the Crucible is a power source AND has created new possibilities by changing the Catalyst's variables speaks volumes of its power over the Catalyst. Shepard can pull the trigger, but the Catalyst guides the dark energy within the Crucible to whatever purpose Shepard sees fit.
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[quote]It's not the same. In ME1, we had the means to conventionally beat ONE Reaper. Refusal means using conventional means, the same means every cycle before used and lost against the Reapers, in order to save whatever is left of our ideals in this war and knowing fully that doing so would result in our loss and the continuation of the cycle. As Javik said, Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.[/quote]
The other Reapers are still out there. They are coming. Saren offered a solution for survival. You disregarded it with flawed human logic.[/quote]
No, I disregarded Saren's solution: to capitulate to the Reapers and become indoctrinated. What I decided to do afterwards was find a way to stop the Reapers, not give in to them by fighting conventionally. There's a difference.
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[quote]I'm not making things up. All I have seen are ad hominems and insults levied at the AI construct for being what he is. I have yet to see anything substantial that argues that he is lying. I entertained that possibility right up to the point that he mentions the Crucible has changed him and that he can not make any of the new solutions happen simply because he couldn't: as a machine, he lacks agency to make that moral judgement.[/quote]
It lies about the nature of the Crucible (either it changed it, or it's merely a power source).[/quote]
It is both. The Catalyst as a machine has seen the possibility of using the Crucible to fulfill its programming and at the same time the goal of the organics: to stop the Reapers. By giving us these options, it has no reason to lie.
[quote]It lies about ascending civilisations (ignoring the ones it kills).[/quote]
"Like a cleansing fire, we restore balance. New life, both organic and synthetic, can once again flourish." In essence, it is acknowledging that it has killed countless civilizations and stored their genetic material in Reaper form. It is making a statement about it
[quote]It misdirects on it's motivations. ("Synthetics will destroy all organic life ---- conflict is bad ---- we preserve BOTH organics and synthetics).[/quote]
It's misdirection if you're cherrypicking. It views that preserving advanced organics and synthetics (leaving younger civilizations alone) in Reaper form is beneficial to preserving life in the long run, allowing younger races to grow before they are harvested 50,000 years later, and on and on. It does so because if it were left unchecked, organics and synthetics would attain enough power to destroy each other inevitability, and it's at that 50,000 year mark where it sees that inevitability. Regardless of its fallacious logic, it is logic nonetheless. I may not agree with it, but from its own perspective, it is doing the right thing.
[quote]It lies. Provably so. Ad hominem? Against the Catalyst? Seriously? We criticise what it does and what it says.[/quote]
Not the way I see it. You're just angry that it was in the form of a child and hiding behind weak arguments of it lying when you know clearly that it has no reason to do so.
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[quote]Ooh, them fighting words. He tried a similar solution BEFORE the Reapers, [/quote]
Assumption.[/quote]
And yours isn't?
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[quote]hence the point isn't really "moot". That "similar solution" is not the same as the Zha'til: the end result of the Zha'til was a race of husks more than anything else. The Zha'til were almost completely synthetic by the time the Reapers manipulated them, not organic. They used the Zha'til as slaves, and there is no indication that the Zha'til were synthites or even their precursors. In fact, the Zha'til were almost COMPLETELY synthetic by the time the Reapers used them. "Few organic traces were left. They were monsters."[/quote]
The REAPERS turned them into monsters. THEY were the ones who turned them against the Zha. [/quote]
And yet they were not the "similar solution" the Catalyst spoke of. Neither did the geth turn on the quarians as a result of Reaper interference, nor did the Metacons in the Prothean cycle.
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[quote]"Headcanon"? It's clear: EDI would never have gained control of the Normandy had Joker released the shackles. By extension, without the proper shackles in place, the Catalyst would not have come up with the Reaper solution. It has tried everything, it states, to stop the organic-synthetic conflict.[/quote]
Still headcanon. Why does it need shackles for this?[/quote]
Because if it was shackled, it wouldn't implement the Reaper solution. It wouldn't kill all advanced organic civilizations and enter a state of logic-loop.
[quote]You are presenting nothing but HEADCANON and ASSUMPTION and attacking anyone who disagrees with it.[/quote]
That sounds like you.
[quote]I have had it up to here with your dishonesty. I will not respond to you again and I question why I did now as arguing with you is a waste of time, you counter everyone else's facts with pure fanfiction and get upset when we don't swallow it.[/quote]
LOL! What I said is "fanfiction"? Not being a cherry-picker is fanfiction? Your credibility died when you said that the rachni and genophage have nothing to do with each other. You're the one who keeps conjuring up fanfiction and lies, such as the time when you said that Mass Effect Retribution is from another fictional universe. If anyone is projecting, it is YOU: you realize that you are the one who uses fanfiction in your arguments but instead throw that accusation at others. That, by definition, is projecting.
Have a good night, TAO.
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It tried "a similar solution". This is what it "flat out" says, TAO. Whether it tried the solution or not is irrelevant.[/quote]
It is all that's relevant.[/quote]
What I meant to say is that whether the solution that it tried before is also present in the Crucible is does not matter. You misunderstood my point.
[quote]
[quote]Because the Crucible has introduced new variables to the Catalyst. The solutions of "destroy" and "control" as well as synthesis itself are not known until the Crucible and Catalyst interface with it. None of the organics of this cycle knew what the Crucible was intended to do, and from the looks of it, there is a big chance that not even those of previous cycles knew what it was intended to do, either.[/quote]
Don't deflect the question. How can it do this if nobody encountered the Catalyst?
Also, "The Crucible is little more than a power source."[/quote]
I'm not deflecting the question. I'm telling you that no one knew that the Crucible's function is to either destroy or control the Reapers let alone synthesize machine and flesh together. All they know is that it contained parameters that have changed the Catalyst's viewpoint on implementing the solution. That the Crucible is a power source AND has created new possibilities by changing the Catalyst's variables speaks volumes of its power over the Catalyst. Shepard can pull the trigger, but the Catalyst guides the dark energy within the Crucible to whatever purpose Shepard sees fit.
[quote]
[quote]It's not the same. In ME1, we had the means to conventionally beat ONE Reaper. Refusal means using conventional means, the same means every cycle before used and lost against the Reapers, in order to save whatever is left of our ideals in this war and knowing fully that doing so would result in our loss and the continuation of the cycle. As Javik said, Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters.[/quote]
The other Reapers are still out there. They are coming. Saren offered a solution for survival. You disregarded it with flawed human logic.[/quote]
No, I disregarded Saren's solution: to capitulate to the Reapers and become indoctrinated. What I decided to do afterwards was find a way to stop the Reapers, not give in to them by fighting conventionally. There's a difference.
[quote]
[quote]I'm not making things up. All I have seen are ad hominems and insults levied at the AI construct for being what he is. I have yet to see anything substantial that argues that he is lying. I entertained that possibility right up to the point that he mentions the Crucible has changed him and that he can not make any of the new solutions happen simply because he couldn't: as a machine, he lacks agency to make that moral judgement.[/quote]
It lies about the nature of the Crucible (either it changed it, or it's merely a power source).[/quote]
It is both. The Catalyst as a machine has seen the possibility of using the Crucible to fulfill its programming and at the same time the goal of the organics: to stop the Reapers. By giving us these options, it has no reason to lie.
[quote]It lies about ascending civilisations (ignoring the ones it kills).[/quote]
"Like a cleansing fire, we restore balance. New life, both organic and synthetic, can once again flourish." In essence, it is acknowledging that it has killed countless civilizations and stored their genetic material in Reaper form. It is making a statement about it
[quote]It misdirects on it's motivations. ("Synthetics will destroy all organic life ---- conflict is bad ---- we preserve BOTH organics and synthetics).[/quote]
It's misdirection if you're cherrypicking. It views that preserving advanced organics and synthetics (leaving younger civilizations alone) in Reaper form is beneficial to preserving life in the long run, allowing younger races to grow before they are harvested 50,000 years later, and on and on. It does so because if it were left unchecked, organics and synthetics would attain enough power to destroy each other inevitability, and it's at that 50,000 year mark where it sees that inevitability. Regardless of its fallacious logic, it is logic nonetheless. I may not agree with it, but from its own perspective, it is doing the right thing.
[quote]It lies. Provably so. Ad hominem? Against the Catalyst? Seriously? We criticise what it does and what it says.[/quote]
Not the way I see it. You're just angry that it was in the form of a child and hiding behind weak arguments of it lying when you know clearly that it has no reason to do so.
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[quote]Ooh, them fighting words. He tried a similar solution BEFORE the Reapers, [/quote]
Assumption.[/quote]
And yours isn't?
[quote]
[quote]hence the point isn't really "moot". That "similar solution" is not the same as the Zha'til: the end result of the Zha'til was a race of husks more than anything else. The Zha'til were almost completely synthetic by the time the Reapers manipulated them, not organic. They used the Zha'til as slaves, and there is no indication that the Zha'til were synthites or even their precursors. In fact, the Zha'til were almost COMPLETELY synthetic by the time the Reapers used them. "Few organic traces were left. They were monsters."[/quote]
The REAPERS turned them into monsters. THEY were the ones who turned them against the Zha. [/quote]
And yet they were not the "similar solution" the Catalyst spoke of. Neither did the geth turn on the quarians as a result of Reaper interference, nor did the Metacons in the Prothean cycle.
[quote]
[quote]"Headcanon"? It's clear: EDI would never have gained control of the Normandy had Joker released the shackles. By extension, without the proper shackles in place, the Catalyst would not have come up with the Reaper solution. It has tried everything, it states, to stop the organic-synthetic conflict.[/quote]
Still headcanon. Why does it need shackles for this?[/quote]
Because if it was shackled, it wouldn't implement the Reaper solution. It wouldn't kill all advanced organic civilizations and enter a state of logic-loop.
[quote]You are presenting nothing but HEADCANON and ASSUMPTION and attacking anyone who disagrees with it.[/quote]
That sounds like you.
[quote]I have had it up to here with your dishonesty. I will not respond to you again and I question why I did now as arguing with you is a waste of time, you counter everyone else's facts with pure fanfiction and get upset when we don't swallow it.[/quote]
LOL! What I said is "fanfiction"? Not being a cherry-picker is fanfiction? Your credibility died when you said that the rachni and genophage have nothing to do with each other. You're the one who keeps conjuring up fanfiction and lies, such as the time when you said that Mass Effect Retribution is from another fictional universe. If anyone is projecting, it is YOU: you realize that you are the one who uses fanfiction in your arguments but instead throw that accusation at others. That, by definition, is projecting.
Have a good night, TAO.
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#195
Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:28
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The Angry One wrote...
3 people don't agree with me. Yes? And?
I forgot, is truth democratic now?
They counter your arguments with ease, your arguments are forced and full of nonsense.
The Angry One wrote...
Yes I'm serious, you've been jabbing people for a while now.
....where?
Fixers0 wrote...
Supposition.
Yup, because female on avatar means that user is automaticaly a woman. Wow.
AresKeith wrote...
way to go pal, bet you feel big
What's your problem? I don't have to know everybody's gender age etc. seriously..
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:28
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Yup. I too wish it was different. Legion is my favorite character in both ME2/ME3. I have no other options to get rid of the reaper threat.fchopin wrote...
I agree with you 100%.AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Sorry, geth. You have to go. It's the only way to get rid of the reapers. I'll try to restore your backups, OK?
With love,
Shepard-Commander.
Sorry Geth and EDI but the reapers have to die whatever the cost.
Legion is my favourite character in ME3, i think Bioware made a mistake in having Legion sacrifice himself because it would have made the ending even harder to choose if Legion was still alive.
Shepard-Commander.
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:28
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fchopin wrote...
AngryFrozenWater wrote...
Sorry, geth. You have to go. It's the only way to get rid of the reapers. I'll try to restore your backups, OK?
With love,
Shepard-Commander.
I agree with you 100%.
Sorry Geth and EDI but the reapers have to die whatever the cost.
Legion is my favourite character in ME3, i think Bioware made a mistake in having Legion sacrifice himself because it would have made the ending even harder to choose if Legion was still alive.
Shepard-Commander.
sad note: Legion is still alive, just not an independant platform, he's one with the Geth compendium, so Legion does die if the Geth die, his sacrifice goes unoted.. betrayed by his best and most respected teacher... The Shepard Platform..
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Why don't you go extol the virtues of Refusing and murdering all your fellow organics or Destroying and murdering all synthetic beings? Who's practicing genocide then? Oh right, YOU are - you're making a conscious choiceto kill an entire race based on your belief that organics are somehow inherently more superior/valuable than all other forms of life.
See, if you want to make ridiculous posts about Synthesis, I can treat Refusers and Destroyers in exactly the same way. What's most annoying about threads like this (aside from them being yet another of the typical anti-Synthesis posts in which Synthesis haters seem incapable of expressing themselves intelligently and have to resort to reducing a serious issue to a joke), is the fact that Synthesis haters consistently seem to be the biggest hypocrites on the forums.
Evidently, it's okay for Synthesis haters to condemn people to death and to choose that for them when that's what the Synthesis haters think is best - making unilateral, weighty decisions are perfectly okay when it's something that they approve of apparently! So, justify to me (since you people do it to us all the time) why it is that you have the right to condemn billions of people to death for the sake of your "principles" in either Destroy or Refusal.
I'm now going to quote the last queen of Hawaii after she decided to, you know, do what was best for her people instead of selfishly choosing her principles over their lives. Just so that you understand what happened here, the usurpers to the throne arrested a number of the queen's supporters and then threatened to execute them if she did not sign an agreement to abdicate.
Queen Lili'uokalani on signing the agreement to abdicate the throne: "For myself, I would have chosen death rather than to have signed it; but it was represented to me that by signing this paper all the persons who had been arrested, all my people now in trouble by reason of their love and loyalty towards me, would be immediately released."
Maybe you people don't realize this, but sometimes you have to put your principles aside in favor of saving lives - that's what Lili'uokalani did and what you collectively seem to be incapable of doing. She would have fought to her last breath to regain her throne, but she wasn't going to throw away the lives of her innocent subjects. Heck, it's what a Vulcan would do if you want to go into Star Trek territory (since you people love to bring up the Borg in hurr-durr posts), and I will remind you of this Vulcan principle: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
Which, incidentally, is similar to this quote by Jeremy Bentham (English philosopher): "It is the greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong."
By that particular yardstick, a Synthesist is practically on side of the angels, so to speak, whereas Refusers and Destroyers...yeah - I think mass murder falls pretty heavily on the "wrong" side of the scales.
Furthermore, the Catalyst stated that previous attempts at Synthesis failed because it was refused - one can infer that there was acceptance of it in the epilogue. And the Synthesis epilogue clearly shows free-willed beings exerting their free will when they are mourning, or rejoicing over the birth of a child, or enjoying the company of their family, or rebuilding their civilizations, etc.
No matter how many jokes you want to crack or how often you want to be deliberately obtuse and/or want to try to come up with some wacko way to twist the evidence of the epilogue, it's not going to change the fact that the ending is ultimately positive or the fact that people clearly aren't enslaved drones.
P.S. I would hope that only open-minded, intelligent people were a part of Synthesis if we could individually choose who to include and exclude, which would conveniently give the OP what he wants since I'm sure that quite a few Refusers/Destroyers would end up in the reject pile. Maybe we can borrow the Hogwarts sorting hat and have it take care of the decision-making as an impartial judge! *sarcasm*
See, if you want to make ridiculous posts about Synthesis, I can treat Refusers and Destroyers in exactly the same way. What's most annoying about threads like this (aside from them being yet another of the typical anti-Synthesis posts in which Synthesis haters seem incapable of expressing themselves intelligently and have to resort to reducing a serious issue to a joke), is the fact that Synthesis haters consistently seem to be the biggest hypocrites on the forums.
Evidently, it's okay for Synthesis haters to condemn people to death and to choose that for them when that's what the Synthesis haters think is best - making unilateral, weighty decisions are perfectly okay when it's something that they approve of apparently! So, justify to me (since you people do it to us all the time) why it is that you have the right to condemn billions of people to death for the sake of your "principles" in either Destroy or Refusal.
I'm now going to quote the last queen of Hawaii after she decided to, you know, do what was best for her people instead of selfishly choosing her principles over their lives. Just so that you understand what happened here, the usurpers to the throne arrested a number of the queen's supporters and then threatened to execute them if she did not sign an agreement to abdicate.
Queen Lili'uokalani on signing the agreement to abdicate the throne: "For myself, I would have chosen death rather than to have signed it; but it was represented to me that by signing this paper all the persons who had been arrested, all my people now in trouble by reason of their love and loyalty towards me, would be immediately released."
Maybe you people don't realize this, but sometimes you have to put your principles aside in favor of saving lives - that's what Lili'uokalani did and what you collectively seem to be incapable of doing. She would have fought to her last breath to regain her throne, but she wasn't going to throw away the lives of her innocent subjects. Heck, it's what a Vulcan would do if you want to go into Star Trek territory (since you people love to bring up the Borg in hurr-durr posts), and I will remind you of this Vulcan principle: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
Which, incidentally, is similar to this quote by Jeremy Bentham (English philosopher): "It is the greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong."
By that particular yardstick, a Synthesist is practically on side of the angels, so to speak, whereas Refusers and Destroyers...yeah - I think mass murder falls pretty heavily on the "wrong" side of the scales.
Furthermore, the Catalyst stated that previous attempts at Synthesis failed because it was refused - one can infer that there was acceptance of it in the epilogue. And the Synthesis epilogue clearly shows free-willed beings exerting their free will when they are mourning, or rejoicing over the birth of a child, or enjoying the company of their family, or rebuilding their civilizations, etc.
No matter how many jokes you want to crack or how often you want to be deliberately obtuse and/or want to try to come up with some wacko way to twist the evidence of the epilogue, it's not going to change the fact that the ending is ultimately positive or the fact that people clearly aren't enslaved drones.
P.S. I would hope that only open-minded, intelligent people were a part of Synthesis if we could individually choose who to include and exclude, which would conveniently give the OP what he wants since I'm sure that quite a few Refusers/Destroyers would end up in the reject pile. Maybe we can borrow the Hogwarts sorting hat and have it take care of the decision-making as an impartial judge! *sarcasm*
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Posté 22 août 2012 - 09:30
Fixers0
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Solaxe wrote...
Yup, because female on avatar means that user is automaticaly a woman. Wow.
Have you actually watched her profile, o no, you were probably blocked, and for good reason i say.
Modifié par Fixers0, 22 août 2012 - 09:31 .
