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[teh DRUMPf!!]

[quote]The Angry One wrote...

Let's set aside that and your attempt to dismiss arguments that completely invalidate yours.[/quote]

I only dismiss non-facts. For good reason: they are not facts, and so they invalidate nothing. At all.

Such metaphorical arguments are silly.

[quote]The fact remains, these solutions are not needed. None of them. The Catalyst could just go away. It doesn't, due to it's broken logic. It forces a choice based on this logic,[/quote]

That fact remains irrelevant, what's done is done now.

You can stand back and continue shake your fists at it fruitlessly. I choose one of three ways to make things right.

(... who will join me??)


[quote]
[quote]No I didn't. I've gone the length of this convo only pointing it out once where applicable, not in every argument you ever made.[/quote]So why harp on about it?[/quote]

I'm not harping on anything, just responding to the "broken logic" argument you keep throwing at me.

[quote][quote]
It can only not be viable if it is output is inherently negative.[/quote]

Or if it doesn't freaking work at all to begin with.[/quote]

... which is in itself, negative!


[quote][quote]Wat?

First of all, if it knows it is negative, then it has already stopped and thought that it is wrong. Why? Who knows what conclusion he reached. Maybe it's simply wrong "for some organic reason I do not understand."

Second, it being negative may not have been enough reason for him to change his mind. Called "choosing the lesser of two evils" ... something that is done all the time.[/quote]

All it states is it knows they don't approve. But it knows best. That's it.[/quote]

There's a difference between, "they did not approve" and "they did not approve, but it was the only solution."

The second one concedes that their lack of approval is a negative aspect of his solution. Mind you, not enough to change it, but nonetheless.

Again, people ever choosing the lesser of two evils doesn't mean they approve of the evil they choose.

[quote]Okay look, I'm not going to deal with your personal issues, I suggest you talk with the professionals about that.[/quote]

There are no personal issues here. I'm just showing how people saying I said something doesn't make it true.

Whether its you insisting I did, or a bunch of others saying the same thing.

... it's why I asked for evidence. Do you have it? The answer is no. That's of course because I never said it.

It was probably something you read and did not interpret correctly.

I actually said ITT that I would not choose synthesis in a bubble, just under the circumstances given in-game. And I was doing so in response to a completely new thread topic, not simply to deny I said otherwise. So it would appear that you are wrong about how I supposedly said I'd impose it for everyone's own good.

[quote]That was a different discussion to the one I referred to. Of course, you just assume because you have to troll me all the time.[/quote]

I check the thread with every log-in, which is everday. Unless I'm somehow missing some entire conversations while you're checking it more often. But somehow I don't buy that.

[quote]Also when it's written down it's called libel.[/quote]

Irrelevant on the internet. I could call a post something that you "said" and no one would bat an eye that you technically only *wrote* it. It's one of those things.

[Solaxe]

Fixers0 wrote...

Have you actually watched her profile, o no, you were probably blocked, and for good reason i say.

Yes, watching users' profiles is my obsession

[ATiBotka]

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

[Fixers0]

Solaxe wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Have you actually watched her profile, o no, you were probably blocked, and for good reason i say.

Yes, watching users' profiles is my obsession

Then, you weren't looking right.

Also let me give you three words to think about:

pathological defence mechanism.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Solaxe wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Have you actually watched her profile, o no, you were probably blocked, and for good reason i say.

Yes, watching users' profiles is my obsession

also kinda creepy, almost stalkerish

[saracen16]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Why don't you go extol the virtues of Refusing and murdering all your fellow organics or Destroying and murdering all synthetic beings? Who's practicing genocide then? Oh right, YOU are - you're making a conscious choiceto kill an entire race based on your belief that organics are somehow inherently more superior/valuable than all other forms of life.

See, if you want to make ridiculous posts about Synthesis, I can treat Refusers and Destroyers in exactly the same way. What's most annoying about threads like this (aside from them being yet another of the typical anti-Synthesis posts in which Synthesis haters seem incapable of expressing themselves intelligently and have to resort to reducing a serious issue to a joke), is the fact that Synthesis haters consistently seem to be the biggest hypocrites on the forums.

Evidently, it's okay for Synthesis haters to condemn people to death and to choose that for them when that's what the Synthesis haters think is best - making unilateral, weighty decisions are perfectly okay when it's something that they approve of apparently! So, justify to me (since you people do it to us all the time) why it is that you have the right to condemn billions of people to death for the sake of your "principles" in either Destroy or Refusal.

I'm now going to quote the last queen of Hawaii after she decided to, you know, do what was best for her people instead of selfishly choosing her principles over their lives. Just so that you understand what happened here, the usurpers to the throne arrested a number of the queen's supporters and then threatened to execute them if she did not sign an agreement to abdicate.

Queen Lili'uokalani on signing the agreement to abdicate the throne: "For myself, I would have chosen death rather than to have signed it; but it was represented to me that by signing this paper all the persons who had been arrested, all my people now in trouble by reason of their love and loyalty towards me, would be immediately released."

Maybe you people don't realize this, but sometimes you have to put your principles aside in favor of saving lives - that's what Lili'uokalani did and what you collectively seem to be incapable of doing. She would have fought to her last breath to regain her throne, but she wasn't going to throw away the lives of her innocent subjects. Heck, it's what a Vulcan would do if you want to go into Star Trek territory (since you people love to bring up the Borg in hurr-durr posts), and I will remind you of this Vulcan principle: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."

Which, incidentally, is similar to this quote by Jeremy Bentham (English philosopher): "It is the greatest good to the greatest number of people which is the measure of right and wrong."

By that particular yardstick, a Synthesist is practically on side of the angels, so to speak, whereas Refusers and Destroyers...yeah - I think mass murder falls pretty heavily on the "wrong" side of the scales.

Furthermore, the Catalyst stated that previous attempts at Synthesis failed because it was refused - one can infer that there was acceptance of it in the epilogue. And the Synthesis epilogue clearly shows free-willed beings exerting their free will when they are mourning, or rejoicing over the birth of a child, or enjoying the company of their family, or rebuilding their civilizations, etc.

No matter how many jokes you want to crack or how often you want to be deliberately obtuse and/or want to try to come up with some wacko way to twist the evidence of the epilogue, it's not going to change the fact that the ending is ultimately positive or the fact that people clearly aren't enslaved drones.

P.S. I would hope that only open-minded, intelligent people were a part of Synthesis if we could individually choose who to include and exclude, which would conveniently give the OP what he wants since I'm sure that quite a few Refusers/Destroyers would end up in the reject pile. Maybe we can borrow the Hogwarts sorting hat and have it take care of the decision-making as an impartial judge! *sarcasm*

Hear hear! (Claps and whistles with four fingers in mouth)!

[Abraham_uk]

Look think about it this way.


Banshee: Erreeeeeeeeecccccccchhhhhhhhhh!
Javik: Keep away from me!
Banshee: Erreeecccccchhhhhhhh!
Javik: What the hell did Shepard do?
Joker: I think he turned us green. I think...
Javik: What about my final vengence against the Reapers?
Joker: Umm. Shepard prefered violating every species in the galaxy.
Javik: If Shepard were still alive, I'd throw him out of the airlock!
Joker: Well ever since everything turned green, you've recieved dating requests from banshees. I think the reapers like you.
Banshee: Errrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccchhhhhhhh!

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 22 août 2012 - 09:37 .

[Anti-killer]

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

most traitors would.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

fchopin wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Sorry, geth. You have to go. It's the only way to get rid of the reapers. I'll try to restore your backups, OK?

With love,

Shepard-Commander.

I agree with you 100%.
 
Sorry Geth and EDI but the reapers have to die whatever the cost.
 
Legion is my favourite character in ME3, i think Bioware made a mistake in having Legion sacrifice himself because it would have made the ending even harder to choose if Legion was still alive.
Shepard-Commander.

sad note: Legion is still alive, just not an independant platform, he's one with the Geth compendium, so Legion does die if the Geth die, his sacrifice goes unoted.. betrayed by his best and most respected teacher... The Shepard Platform..

Dream up is much head canon as you want. The "get compendium" is a term you have invented.

"geth compendium".

Guess what? One hit and it links to your post on BSN. Maybe two hits if Google finds this post.

Now, quit wasting my time.

[fchopin]

Wayning_Star wrote...

sad note: Legion is still alive, just not an independant platform, he's one with the Geth compendium, so Legion does die if the Geth die, his sacrifice goes unoted.. betrayed by his best and most respected teacher... The Shepard Platform..

Thank you for reminding me, Legion is part of the Geth collective and therefore alive until the we choose destroy option.
 
I wish Bioware gave us more Legion in the game, maybe a DLC Bioware?


Edit: If Legion is part of the Geth collective then maybe he survived if the beam did not reach that part of space so there are possibilities.

Modifié par fchopin, 22 août 2012 - 09:40 .

[Batnat]

Huh...reading this thread...I´d have no problem choosing Refuse IRL...guess I don´t want to be a hero...unless freeing the galaxy of another moronic cycle will be considered a heroic deed by the next one...
Control looks a lot better now too...and low EMS-Destroy...even Synthesis, at least if I threw myself into the beam I wouldn´t have to live with the consequences.


Hey, thanks BSN, coming here really isn´t a waste of time...I like the endings a whole lot better now! They´re kinda perfect for a misanthrop like me...never thought about it like that...strange...and liberating...*skipofftoplayMEagain*

[Mr.House]

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

Most traitors think they are in the right, look at TIM and Saren.

[AresKeith]

*closes the doors to this thread and wields it shut*

[bleetman]

Abraham_uk wrote...

Joker: Well ever since everything turned green, you've recieved dating requests from banshees. I think the reapers like you.
Banshee: Errrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccchhhhhhhh!

At least Banshees are, shall we say, equipped for their newfound romantic interests.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Mr.House wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

Most traitors think they are in the right, look at TIM and Saren.

The victors write history.

TIM and Saren were wrong because I said so. Now I'm right, because I say so.

[ATiBotka]

DinoSteve wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

most traitors would.

So I am a traitor?

[Mr.House]

ATiBotka wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

most traitors would.

So I am a traitor?

Your Shepard betrayed their friends and allies, you're a traitor.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Thread is too srs needs moar

[MegaSovereign]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Synthesis, the ultimate betrayal.

Hm....I disagree...

Most traitors think they are in the right, look at TIM and Saren.

The victors write history.

TIM and Saren were wrong because I said so. Now I'm right, because I say so.

General Shepherd is that you?

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 22 août 2012 - 09:47 .

[ATiBotka]

Mr.House wrote...

Your Shepard betrayed their friends and allies, you're a traitor.

I saved everyone. Even the "Old Machines".

Modifié par ATiBotka, 22 août 2012 - 09:47 .

[ATiBotka]

MegaSovereign wrote...

General Shepherd is that you?

Lance Henriksen?

[Mr.House]

ATiBotka wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Your Shepard betrayed their friends and allies, you're a traitor.

I saved everyone. Even the "Old Machines".

YNo, you changed everyones dna against their will and also leaving the Reapers alive. Leaving the Reapers alive or not in check is a betrayal.

[ATiBotka]

Mr.House wrote...

No, you changed everyones dna against their will and also leaving the Reapers alive. Leaving the Reapers alive or not in check is a betrayal.

I made peace with them. I'm not a traitor.

Modifié par ATiBotka, 22 août 2012 - 09:50 .

[mauro2222]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The victors write history.

TIM and Saren were wrong because I said so. Now I'm right, because I say so.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.