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[MisterJB]

After much debating, we are finally treated to a firsthand look at the Tevinter Imperium. Toughts?

At first, the aristocracy seems much like any other in any other part of the world. Full of intrigue, arrogance and obloquy. However, the omnipotence the Magisters hold over the lives of others is evidenced by the ease with which two of them start a deadly duel. The slavery is also omnipresent. Maybe I am biased, but I believe Isabela described it quite aptly: the arse end of all nightmares.

What I found most interesting was the apparent rise of a Dragon Cult and Isabela's secret regarding something that happened in the Venefication sea. You know that if Isabela is ashamed of something, it has to be bad.

Modifié par MisterJB, 22 août 2012 - 07:27 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I agree with what you said, just what we'd expect about Trevinter.

I'm also very interested in the guy - who was interested in Isabela and she was ticked off at the guy. I'd like to know why?

Wow, that Blonde, wasn't sure who she had the hots for the most Alistair or Varric.

Double Wow, a Qunari Female War Commander. I can't wait for the next issue.

I really hope we find out what happened to King Maric and not another cliff hanger again. I'd like some loose ends to be tied up for a change. Just saying.

[Tommyspa]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I agree with what you said, just what we'd expect about Trevinter.

I'm also very interested in the guy - who was interested in Isabela and she was ticked off at the guy. I'd like to know why?

Wow, that Blonde, wasn't sure who she had the hots for the most Alistair or Varric.

Double Wow, a Qunari Female War Commander. I can't wait for the next issue.

I really hope we find out what happened to King Maric and not another cliff hanger again. I'd like some loose ends to be tied up for a change. Just saying.

2 things.

Qunari Female War Commander? Can I have some kind of context before my head explodes (I'm waiting for the hard cover collection in January before I read it, in its completion. A quirk of mine.)

And I wouldn't expect it to be cleaned up until the series after this one, it is a 3 parter if you didn't know already.

[Xilizhra]

Lazy, but acceptable for the time being. Of course, if Isabela's describing it as that, she clearly hasn't been given to the qunari by Hawke. I'd still accept their aid against the templars.

[Urzon]

Tommyspa wrote...

2 things.

Qunari Female War Commander? Can I have some kind of context before my head explodes (I'm waiting for the hard cover collection in January before I read it, in its completion. A quirk of mine.)

And I wouldn't expect it to be cleaned up until the series after this one, it is a 3 parter if you didn't know already.

Females can become warriors in the Qunari, but when they do; they get reclassified as "male". So when the Qunari say "There are no female warriors.", it's true.... technically. After she became a warrior, i'm guessing she worked her was up the ranks through leadership qualities and skill.

It's all very excepting, in a very degrading way. If that makes any sense at all.

[The Night Haunter]

Urzon wrote...


Females can become warriors in the Qunari, but when they do; they get reclassified as "male". So when the Qunari say "There are no female warriors.", it's true.... technically. After she became a warrior, i'm guessing she worked her was up the ranks through leadership qualities and skill.

It's all very excepting, in a very degrading way. If that makes any sense at all.

Please give a source for this info, cause I've never heard anything like that. And there sure as hell better not be a female Qunari Warrior. Sten complains that the Warden was a girl, thats part of their society.

If they do this it just shows how little they care about their own lore. They just make some pretend excuse and suddenly its all good.....

[TEWR]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Please give a source for this info, cause I've never heard anything like that.

See here for more information.

 

ghostmessiah202 wrote...
And there sure as hell better not be a female Qunari Warrior. Sten complains that the Warden was a girl, thats part of their society.

Sten complains because he views the Wardens as an army unto themselves, and thus sees said army as being an all-male role. Any woman trying to be a part of the army is trying to be a male in terms of sociological standing, rather then biological being.

He will tell Murdock the Mayor of Redcliffe that, if pressed in a situation similar to what the villagers in Redcliffe faced, all Qunari would fight. Men, women, and children. They won't be soldiers, but they're not going to do nothing in the face of such a thing.

A female Qunari who is a Warrior is not going to happen within their society -- most likely they'd become Tal'Vashoth, rather then stay in the Qun -- but it isn't impossible to see anywhere. Again, they'd probably be Tal'Vashoth. The Qunari define terms like "soldier", "battle", "fighting", and... well... everything to really mean a great many things.

For example, the Ben'Hassrath are trained to fight -- and are comprised of men and women -- but they don't live by their blade. Meaning that they aren't a part of the army, day in and day out. Thus, the women are still women, because their primary duties are other things and fighting is secondary -- as opposed to fighting being primary for a member of the Antaam.

[The Night Haunter]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Please give a source for this info, cause I've never heard anything like that.

See here for more information.

 

ghostmessiah202 wrote...
And there sure as hell better not be a female Qunari Warrior. Sten complains that the Warden was a girl, thats part of their society.

Sten complains because he views the Wardens as an army unto themselves, and thus sees said army as being an all-male role. Any woman trying to be a part of the army is trying to be a male in terms of sociological standing, rather then biological being.

He will tell Murdock the Mayor of Redcliffe that, if pressed in a situation similar to what the villagers in Redcliffe faced, all Qunari would fight. Men, women, and children. They won't be soldiers, but they're not going to do nothing in the face of such a thing.

A female Qunari who is a Warrior is not going to happen within their society -- most likely they'd become Tal'Vashoth, rather then stay in the Qun -- but it isn't impossible to see anywhere. Again, they'd probably be Tal'Vashoth. The Qunari define terms like "soldier", "battle", "fighting", and... well... everything to really mean a great many things.

For example, the Ben'Hassrath are trained to fight -- and are comprised of men and women -- but they don't live by their blade. Meaning that they aren't a part of the army, day in and day out. Thus, the women are still women, because their primary duties are other things and fighting is secondary -- as opposed to fighting being primary for a member of the Antaam.

I can accept female Ben'Hassrath because they aren't part of the 'Body' they are part of the 'Soul', they answer to the Ariqun, rather than the Arishok. But a female qunari SOLDIER was speciffically mentioned as being forbidden. I read Gaiders comments, and I don't particularly like the have your cake and eat it too attitude he seems to take with the established lore, but I won't complain too much if we see a Qunari female SOLDIER, so long as they aren;t companions and are very, very rare.

[TEWR]

ghostmessiah202 wrote... 

But a female qunari SOLDIER was speciffically mentioned as being forbidden. I read Gaiders comments, and I don't particularly like the have your cake and eat it too attitude he seems to take with the established lore, but I won't complain too much if we see a Qunari female SOLDIER, so long as they aren;t companions and are very, very rare.

As the thread I linked to said, he said that no Qunari female would be permitted to do so or would do so, for various reasons -- sociological standing changes being one. Another being that she'd be directly defying the role she was given.

This however does not negate the possibility of Tal'Vashoth female Warriors or Ben'Hassrath female "fighters". Rather, it makes the former all the more likely, as we would then be able to see a woman who defied the Qun to be a warrior and prove she's a female, biologically (obviously) and socially.

Unless TWS has a female Qunari commander of the Antaam. In which case, I'll be ****ed with a cactus. Admittedly, I do not have the first issue nor have I read the preceding series -- though I know the general gist.

As for the "have your cake and eat it too attitude", I have to say that some of the things I've seen you claim as retcons or this type of attitude on the lore are not like that.

Like Alistair being King in the comics, which must follow some sort of world-state to make sense. That doesn't mean it's an all-around application to everyone's differing world-state though.

If it becomes such... then maybe. Depends on how suitable an explanation for each different scenario they give. Like if they made it so that Anora didn't execute Alistair because she was afraid it would cause another civil war if Maric's only heir was killed by her, seeing as she ackowledges that the Landsmeet values Theirin blood more then other things.

That'd be something I'd accept, albeit hesitantly.

Now if you wanted to talk about Anders always appearing in DAII as a Warden of Amaranthine's group, that's definitely among that type of attitude, because Bioware really didn't give a suitable alternate explanation to why he's there.

Oh sure Gaider said some other group of Wardens recruited Anders, but in-game that doesn't hold up because as far as I know he talks about things that could only have happened if he was recruited by the Warden. Like in a Dalish import that didn't recruit him, I'm willing to bet he still knew/heard about the Warden from either firsthand experience or Oghren's testimony. Or knew Sigrun and talked about her in Legacy.

But that's off-topic. So let's leave it at that. I ramble waaay too much.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 août 2012 - 05:06 .

[Tommyspa]

I get the Qunari must reclassify things (I argued the same point about Tallis being female til my head hurt, although she isn't a soldier at all, but point withstanding.), it makes them interesting if also a writer's dream for doing whatever they please with it. But, I was just wondering if she was actually a part of the army or a oh, call it proxy leader for the ariqun in the Antaam or what have you.

[Foolsfolly]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

I agree with what you said, just what we'd expect about Trevinter.

I'm also very interested in the guy - who was interested in Isabela and she was ticked off at the guy. I'd like to know why?

Wow, that Blonde, wasn't sure who she had the hots for the most Alistair or Varric.

Double Wow, a Qunari Female War Commander. I can't wait for the next issue.

I really hope we find out what happened to King Maric and not another cliff hanger again. I'd like some loose ends to be tied up for a change. Just saying.

With David Gaider writing? Maric's near death, gets to see his son, and whatever big plot is behind all this gets sorta wrapped up in Dragon Age 3....'s eventual expansion pack.

Gaider's stories don't conclude... unless it's preceded by the words 'to be'.

[The Night Haunter]

Foolsfolly wrote...

With David Gaider writing? Maric's near death, gets to see his son, and whatever big plot is behind all this gets sorta wrapped up in Dragon Age 3....'s eventual expansion pack.

Gaider's stories don't conclude... unless it's preceded by the words 'to be'.

I kinda prefer it that way, gives us something to look forward to. I like having unanswered questions until the end. Then it can tie everything together in whatever game takes place in 9:99 Dragon. (Dragon Age 7 maybe lol)

[TEWR]

EvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Double Wow, a Qunari Female War Commander. I can't wait for the next issue.

As I don't have the actual issue, all I can say is that the DA wiki says the female Kossith that appears in the comics is a Tamassran -- a priest falling under the auspices of the Ariqun.

Unless the comic says differently or is referring to a different person that isn't the woman in the wiki's images section.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 août 2012 - 05:14 .

[The Night Haunter]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Double Wow, a Qunari Female War Commander. I can't wait for the next issue.

As I don't have the actual issue, all I can say is that the DA wiki says the female Kossith that appears in the comics is a Tamassran -- a priest falling under the auspices of the Ariqun.

Unless the comic says differently or is referring to a different person that isn't the woman in the wiki's images section.

So that means it isn't a female Soldier? Yay! Lore is kept! (By Soldier i mean is part of the Antaam - the Body, follows the Arishoks orders)

[MisterJB]

I can confirm what Redux says. In the comic, she is referred to as "Tamassran" which makes her part of the priesthood, not the military.

[nightscrawl]

MisterJB wrote...

After much debating, we are finally treated to a firsthand look at the Tevinter Imperium. Toughts?

I thought it was greeeeeeeat! I think I'm going to like this series better than the first. I might elaborate later, but at the moment: yay more DA stuff!

[Amon Lau]

MisterJB wrote...

I can confirm what Redux says. In the comic, she is referred to as "Tamassran" which makes her part of the priesthood, not the military.

Yup I read it again and she indeed was called that~
Can't wait for the next issue, maybe Sten will show up...? =D

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

EvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Double Wow, a Qunari Female War Commander. I can't wait for the next issue.

As I don't have the actual issue, all I can say is that the DA wiki says the female Kossith that appears in the comics is a Tamassran -- a priest falling under the auspices of the Ariqun.

Unless the comic says differently or is referring to a different person that isn't the woman in the wiki's images section.

Well in the comic when the Qunari attack Isabela's ship, the head Qunari male leader turns to the female leader and says it's her command and what does she want to do?  The female Qunari warrior reponds with: take all on Isabela's ship captive.  This issue ends here.  I'd say that is a commander.   She is dressed in what could possibly be qunari female armor that we've seen in concept art.  I didn't get the impression she is a high priest in command of this qunari outing for a specfic mission?  I'm not sure, though, so she might be, my impression is that she is a war commander.   I do recall that Sten does say those things about women, and women shouldn't fight.  Maybe there is a reason that Sten says this and we don't know the real reason on why they shouldn't.  Yes, in the comic the male Qunari says "Your command, Tamassran."   Ok, is this her title like Sten and is she really a priest.  She is indeed in battle armor.  I just now went back and reread the ending. 

The discription of issue two says that Isabela will reveal alot about herself and I was surprised that it is the Qunari instead of Trevinter Magisters who take: Alistair, Varric, and Isabela captive. Isabela's ship is on it's way to the island of Sheron where this magister has his home.  Odd place for a Trevinter Magister to have his home or where he hangs out.   Did anyone else get the impression that Isabela killed this Lord Devon in the fight.  This Lord Devon threatens Isabela with telling Alistair something that Isabela did.  I hope we find out what this is.  Something Isabela doesn't want known, especially Alistair knowing.


Something else I found interesting in the comic is what the Trevinter Magister that Alistair has been trying to find(who captured King Maric) says to him about the Calenhad blood coming full circle with Alistair's blood being tainted, him being a Grey Warden.   What did the Magister mean by that?    The magister in the comic also has gold eyes like Flemeth and Morrigan do.  Unfortunately in the comic they made Alistair's eyes blue instead of gold.  I also got the impression this magister is a shapeshifter and Alistair stops him from shifting when he does his templar thing on the guy.  The Holy Smite strike. 

I loved this Mae person that is involved with Varric.  Loved her gown in the comic.  

Ok, in the first game isn't there a rumor that King Maric also had a son who was a mage?  I think the bartender in Denerim talks about this rumor, he said they keep him prisoner in the castle and feed him cake all day.  Hmmm, interesting.

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Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 23 août 2012 - 02:56 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

MisterJB wrote...

I can confirm what Redux says. In the comic, she is referred to as "Tamassran" which makes her part of the priesthood, not the military.

She may be a priestess but it is clear in the comic she is in command of this mission that they are on.  So this begs the questions:  Were the Qunari actually looking for Isabela and Alistair both?  Isabela you can understand them taking her captive because of her stealing the Tome of Kosslan.  Will they let Alistair go once they realize who he is? 

I can't wait for the next issue. 

[Blacklash93]

So how is this? Would anyone recommend it? I fairly liked The Silent Grove despite the horrible payoff at the end. But the thing with Alistair seemingly walking right into the hands of a powerful magister doesn't sit right with me and the art is a bit less appealing for a variety of reasons from what the preview showed.

[lafidaninfa]

Spoiler! Although I am a huge fan of the series (adored Origins, loved the books, read the SG -hey, I even liked DA2!) I have to admit that THS felt kind of awkward and I'm not sure if I like the way the franchise is going. My biggest problem was the design. I already knew that the inspiration for the Tevinter Imperium was the Byzantine Empire, so It was nice to see byzantinish architecture in the beginning. My main concern is this sudden change from the dark, medievalish atmosphere of Origins to this new world where you get the impression that you're suddenly teleported to the 18th century America. Fancy clothing, garters, hats and pirates and all. That seemed like an awkward pastiche and definitely didn't work for me.I also didn't like the way this Mae chick was presented - she reminded me kind of Marilyn - definitely not medieval. Don't get me wrong, I am not obsessed with medieval culture but when I see Dragon Age I expect to get a medieval fantasy story, not the pirates of the Carribean. The story was ok and I especially liked the depiction of magistrate Titus. Minor details: Alistair's eyes are still blue and the elves are still depicted like in DA2. But... there are still 2 more issues to go! I hope it gets better, although I have to admit that I kind of lost my appetite...

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Blacklash93. So far the story is interesting, I thought the story moved at a good pace to read it. I guess it will come down to... will any former companions die in the comic, like Wynne in the book Asunder? I guess that will be the big cliff hanger and if King Maric is ever found or what happened to him? If your a comic collector and love dragon age then go for it.

Lafidaninfa is correct about the fashion part. Seems more 16th-18th century european clothing instead of a medival bent to the art style for the fashion. I still liked Mae's dress though.

I wasn't happy with the price increase either for just a few more pages. Just saying.

[Dave of Canada]

Blacklash93 wrote...

So how is this? Would anyone recommend it? I fairly liked The Silent Grove despite the horrible payoff at the end. But the thing with Alistair seemingly walking right into the hands of a powerful magister doesn't sit right with me and the art is a bit less appealing for a variety of reasons from what the preview showed.

Alistair remains incompetent and stupid but the rest of the comic isn't -that- bad, it's deeper insight into Isabela is pretty cool if you're into that but it's more of the same.

[Ausstig]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

So how is this? Would anyone recommend it? I fairly liked The Silent Grove despite the horrible payoff at the end. But the thing with Alistair seemingly walking right into the hands of a powerful magister doesn't sit right with me and the art is a bit less appealing for a variety of reasons from what the preview showed.

Alistair remains incompetent and stupid but the rest of the comic isn't -that- bad, it's deeper insight into Isabela is pretty cool if you're into that but it's more of the same.

Is he as illogical and childish as he was at the end of "The Slient Grove"?

[Dave of Canada]

Wasn't given the chance yet, the preview is about as stupid as he gets in the first issue.

"YOU'RE THE EVIL MAGE GUY THAT IS LOOKING FOR ME, AREN'T YOU? WELL HERE I AM, THE MONARCH OF FERELDEN!"