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[Urzon]

I just hope that the "EVIL MAGE GUY" doesn't go into one of those evil overlord style monologues, where he explains his whole evil plan for world domination. Thoses are the worst.

I would give anything for the Magister to fry Alistair's brain on the spot with blood magic and put him into a vegetative state. All the while saying, "Wow.... That was easier than I thought. Thank the gods I only need him alive. Load off my back though, Beers tonight are on me, guys!".

[nightscrawl]

While I wasn't really crazy about the end of Silent Grove, I'm no longer irritated by it as I once was. For both comics, I haven't really seen anything that greatly contradicts Alistair's actions or personality from DAO. The chief difference of course is that here Alistair  is the one to make decisions, not your Warden, which is, ultimately, a good thing for him.

In the end, I would say that if you never liked Alistair from DAO, then these comics are not for you. In the same way, if you are such a huge rabid Alistair fangirl/boy, and that you cannot envision him without your Warden, then these are also not for you.

On the other hand, if you appreciate Alistair for his whole person, his annoyances and humors, then you should like the comics. I like to think that, had our Warden never existed, Alistair would have been similar in DAO. It's rather difficult to know since the game focused on our own character and we only learned about Alistair through interactions with  him, as opposed to being in his head, as we were with Silent Grove.

Ultimately, I agreed with Arl Eamon's assessment of Alistair, even if Alistair couldn't see that about himself, which was why I've always made him king in my DAO plays.

Finally, this series is told from the POV of Isabela, whereas the first series was from Alistair's POV, so it will read a little different. I'm really hoping that the next series will be through Varric. I'll be looking forward to that one.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 24 août 2012 - 09:58 .

[Ausstig]

nightscrawl wrote...

While I wasn't really crazy about the end of Silent Grove, I'm no longer irritated by it as I once was. For both comics, I haven't really seen anything that greatly contradicts Alistair's actions or personality from DAO. 

Oh I agree, he was a winey child, just look at how he reacts to Logahan. Thats why I almost never make him King, sorry but simply saying I want this job so I can kill the man who got Ducan killed is not a good enough reason for me.
Alister is a nice enough guy, mostly but he just not very smart or mature, either mentaly or emotionaly 

[Urzon]

I just would have thought that after 10 years of ruling Ferelden, Alistair would have learned not to run into very, very, dangerous situations where he can get killed. Even more so, he doesn't have a named heir (that we know of) to take the throne if he did die, and we all know how that type of situation turned out last time....

That and, you shouldn't ****** off a powerful member of a ruling body of another country, even if he is an evil insane cultist, openly.... like in the middle of a dinner party. They can make the innocent citizens of your country suffer because you did something stupid.

I'm guessing in this comic, Alistair wasn't hardened before he took the throne.

Modifié par Urzon, 24 août 2012 - 10:12 .

[nightscrawl]

Ausstig wrote...

Oh I agree, he was a winey child, just look at how he reacts to Logahan. Thats why I almost never make him King, sorry but simply saying I want this job so I can kill the man who got Ducan killed is not a good enough reason for me.
Alister is a nice enough guy, mostly but he just not very smart or mature, either mentaly or emotionaly

It comes across better if you have Alistair duel Loghain, since he kills him automatically and you don't get that involved dialogue. But, I have also done the dialogue you mention and his petulance is well... annoying, as is his short sighted refusal to serve with Loghain if he is made a Grey Warden, since at that point there were only three Wardens in the entire country. -- In addition, another part of the reason for the Alistair duel is because it seems bad (cowardly?) to have the PC Warden duel Loghain and put  Alistair on the throne, rather than Alistair take  it in that way.

But as I said, I just have Alistair duel him, so I never have to see that part!

Urzon wrote...

I just would have thought that after 10 years of ruling Ferelden, Alistair would have learned not to run into very, very, dangerous situations where he can get killed. Even more so, he doesn't have a named heir (that we know of) to take the throne if he did die, and we all know how that type of situation turned out last time....

That and, you shouldn't ****** off a powerful member of a ruling body of another country, even if he is an evil insane cultist, openly.... like in the middle of a dinner party. They can make the innocent citizens of your country suffer because you did something stupid.

I'm guessing in this comic, Alistair wasn't hardened before he took the throne.

In Silent Grove he decides that after this is all over he is going to go back to Ferelden and rule. No version of Alistair, hardened or not, wants  to be king. The difference is in his degree of acceptance of the role.

Regarding him going into dangerous situations and the like, I've gotten the impression that he doesn't exactly care at the moment. Sure, he has a goal, and he wants to complete that goal. If he lives though all of this he'll go back and be kingly, but safeguarding himself as king, simply because he is king, doesn't seem to be high on his priority list.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 24 août 2012 - 10:35 .

[MisterJB]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Wasn't given the chance yet, the preview is about as stupid as he gets in the first issue.

"YOU'RE THE EVIL MAGE GUY THAT IS LOOKING FOR ME, AREN'T YOU? WELL HERE I AM, THE MONARCH OF FERELDEN!"

Yeah, that's an accurate description of what happens. What Alistair does is actually quite impressive, tough.
Titus attempts to use some sort of Dragon-based spell on him and Alistair just Templar b*tchslaps the magic out of him.

[MisterJB]

lafidaninfa wrote...
I already knew that the inspiration for the Tevinter Imperium was the Byzantine Empire, so It was nice to see byzantinish architecture in the beginning. My main concern is this sudden change from the dark, medievalish atmosphere of Origins to this new world where you get the impression that you're suddenly teleported to the 18th century America. Fancy clothing, garters, hats and pirates and all. That seemed like an awkward pastiche and definitely didn't work for me.

I must disagree. When DA2 was released, many complained that there wasn't much difference from being in Ferelden to being in Kirkwall.
If Bioware is attempting to give a distinct look and feel to the different nations of Thedas, I fully support it. Tevinter is the oldest human civilization in Thedas so, it makes sense they would be quite a bit ahead of Ferelden. Never mind the qunari who are miles ahead of the humans as far as technological advancements go.

[NasChoka]

Urzon wrote...

I just hope that the "EVIL MAGE GUY" doesn't go into one of those evil overlord style monologues, where he explains his whole evil plan for world domination. Thoses are the worst.

I would give anything for the Magister to fry Alistair's brain on the spot with blood magic and put him into a vegetative state. All the while saying, "Wow.... That was easier than I thought. Thank the gods I only need him alive. Load off my back though, Beers tonight are on me, guys!".

I like that ^^  

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ausstig wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...

While I wasn't really crazy about the end of Silent Grove, I'm no longer irritated by it as I once was. For both comics, I haven't really seen anything that greatly contradicts Alistair's actions or personality from DAO. 

Oh I agree, he was a winey child, just look at how he reacts to Logahan. Thats why I almost never make him King, sorry but simply saying I want this job so I can kill the man who got Ducan killed is not a good enough reason for me.
Alister is a nice enough guy, mostly but he just not very smart or mature, either mentaly or emotionaly 

Meh. Alistair strikes me as lesss whiney and childish and 90% of these forums.
Besides, he had every reason to not trust and want Loghian dead.

[lafidaninfa]

MisterJB wrote...

lafidaninfa wrote...
I already knew that the inspiration for the Tevinter Imperium was the Byzantine Empire, so It was nice to see byzantinish architecture in the beginning. My main concern is this sudden change from the dark, medievalish atmosphere of Origins to this new world where you get the impression that you're suddenly teleported to the 18th century America. Fancy clothing, garters, hats and pirates and all. That seemed like an awkward pastiche and definitely didn't work for me.

I must disagree. When DA2 was released, many complained that there wasn't much difference from being in Ferelden to being in Kirkwall.
If Bioware is attempting to give a distinct look and feel to the different nations of Thedas, I fully support it. Tevinter is the oldest human civilization in Thedas so, it makes sense they would be quite a bit ahead of Ferelden. Never mind the qunari who are miles ahead of the humans as far as technological advancements go.

That's not what I meant. I absolutely support the distinct depiction of different nations. But in my opinion it was an idea poorly executed in THS.

[ShadowLordXII]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

nightscrawl wrote...

While I wasn't really crazy about the end of Silent Grove, I'm no longer irritated by it as I once was. For both comics, I haven't really seen anything that greatly contradicts Alistair's actions or personality from DAO. 

Oh I agree, he was a winey child, just look at how he reacts to Logahan. Thats why I almost never make him King, sorry but simply saying I want this job so I can kill the man who got Ducan killed is not a good enough reason for me.
Alister is a nice enough guy, mostly but he just not very smart or mature, either mentaly or emotionaly 

Meh. Alistair strikes me as lesss whiney and childish and 90% of these forums.
Besides, he had every reason to not trust and want Loghian dead.

It's not so much that Alistair was wrong for calling for Loghain's head, but that he always somehow walks out on you if you spare Loghain and make him a Warden.  Grey Warden's are supposed to put the needs of others above their own to fight the darkspawn and seeing Alistair walk away from his duties as one while the Blight is on their doorstep doesn't really help his case.

[Giltspur]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...


Well in the comic when the Qunari attack Isabela's ship, the head Qunari male leader turns to the female leader and says it's her command and what does she want to do?  The female Qunari warrior reponds with: take all on Isabela's ship captive.  This issue ends here.  I'd say that is a commander.   She is dressed in what could possibly be qunari female armor that we've seen in concept art.  I didn't get the impression she is a high priest in command of this qunari outing for a specfic mission?  I'm not sure, though, so she might be, my impression is that she is a war commander.   I do recall that Sten does say those things about women, and women shouldn't fight.  Maybe there is a reason that Sten says this and we don't know the real reason on why they shouldn't.  Yes, in the comic the male Qunari says "Your command, Tamassran."   Ok, is this her title like Sten and is she really a priest.  She is indeed in battle armor.  I just now went back and reread the ending. 

Maybe we don't understand how jurisdiction works among the Qunari.  It is true that she seems to be giving a command to someone in that seems to be in a military position.  And so a natural inference is that she's he's superior in the miiitary.  But maybe that's not it. Maybe that sort of decision falls under the priest's authority and he's deferring to her because it's the proper thing to do in that context.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
The discription of issue two says that Isabela will reveal alot about herself and I was surprised that it is the Qunari instead of Trevinter Magisters who take: Alistair, Varric, and Isabela captive. Isabela's ship is on it's way to the island of Sheron where this magister has his home.  Odd place for a Trevinter Magister to have his home or where he hangs out.   Did anyone else get the impression that Isabela killed this Lord Devon in the fight.  This Lord Devon threatens Isabela with telling Alistair something that Isabela did.  I hope we find out what this is.  Something Isabela doesn't want known, especially Alistair knowing.

Yes, I got the impression that she murdered him.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Something else I found interesting in the comic is what the Trevinter Magister that Alistair has been trying to find(who captured King Maric) says to him about the Calenhad blood coming full circle with Alistair's blood being tainted, him being a Grey Warden.   What did the Magister mean by that?    The magister in the comic also has gold eyes like Flemeth and Morrigan do.  Unfortunately in the comic they made Alistair's eyes blue instead of gold.  I also got the impression this magister is a shapeshifter and Alistair stops him from shifting when he does his templar thing on the guy.  The Holy Smite strike. 

Maybe a previous Calenhad was a Warden or was used by the Wardens.  In Legacy, Hawke's blood is used to break the seal that Malcolm's blood made for Corypheus's prison.  Was Calenhad blood used in some seal when putting the dragons to sleep?  And now Calenhad blood is needed again to wake the strongest ones?  At any rate, I figure there's some kind of taint or blood magic in the Calenhad past that Aurelius knows about.

It could be tied to whatever the Wardens were investigating in DA2, the discoveries they'd made about Warden blood.  It's possible that Wardens or the taint that Wardens take on are tied to blood rituals used by dragon cults and/or on preserved dragons.  It's also possible that the Wardens aren't directly involved but that there's a relationship between the entity that taught Warden's their blood rituals and some other blood rituals that are in effect in the Dragon Age storyline.

I wonder if Aurelius is a pawn of Flemeth's or some upstart whose goals run contrary to hers.

It's also possible that I've gone off the deep end.

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
Ok, in the first game isn't there a rumor that King Maric also had a son who was a mage?  I think the bartender in Denerim talks about this rumor, he said they keep him prisoner in the castle and feed him cake all day.  Hmmm, interesting.

Edit

That's interesting.  I *think* Gaider once mentioned that Maric has at least two children.  And my general thought was "Um...Cailan and Alistair?  How is this surprising?  Of course, he has *at least* two."  Though maybe he meant two living (potentially with Alistair, depending on DAO decisions) children.  I'm also hoping I haven't misremembered a Gaider quote.  Edit: It was reported that he said that. Here's what I was thinking of:

http://social.biowar...index/8184797/9  (then search for "at least two"--sorry I'm not a pro forum linker)

Mmm, second-hand quotes from conventions.

Modifié par Giltspur, 24 août 2012 - 07:55 .

[Ausstig]

MisterJB wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Wasn't given the chance yet, the preview is about as stupid as he gets in the first issue.

"YOU'RE THE EVIL MAGE GUY THAT IS LOOKING FOR ME, AREN'T YOU? WELL HERE I AM, THE MONARCH OF FERELDEN!"

Yeah, that's an accurate description of what happens. What Alistair does is actually quite impressive, tough.
Titus attempts to use some sort of Dragon-based spell on him and Alistair just Templar b*tchslaps the magic out of him.

Thaty was pretty boss.

He also stabed that woman at the end of silent grove for no real reason. 

[Urzon]

MisterJB wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Wasn't given the chance yet, the preview is about as stupid as he gets in the first issue.

"YOU'RE THE EVIL MAGE GUY THAT IS LOOKING FOR ME, AREN'T YOU? WELL HERE I AM, THE MONARCH OF FERELDEN!"

Yeah, that's an accurate description of what happens. What Alistair does is actually quite impressive, tough.
Titus attempts to use some sort of Dragon-based spell on him and Alistair just Templar b*tchslaps the magic out of him.

Wait... Alistair still has templar powers? I thought it has been specified that templars need lyrium for their abilities now.

Unless of course, Alistair has picked up an addiction in the last 10 years...

Modifié par Urzon, 24 août 2012 - 11:26 .

[MisterJB]

Ausstig wrote...
Thaty was pretty boss.

He also stabed that woman at the end of silent grove for no real reason. 

No one can accuse Alistair of being cunning.
Impulsive and vindicative, however...

Urzon wrote...
Wait... Alistair still has templar powers? I thought it has been specified that templars need lyrium for their abilities now.

Unless of course, Alistair has picked up an addiction in the last 10 years...

Both Titus and Alistair confirmed that he used Templar powers.
His
justification is that after encouring a witch in Tellari swamps, he
decided to "get back in practice" whether that means he consumed lyrium
recently, I can't say.

[Renmiri1]

Apprentices can do templar stuff without needing Lyrium, it is just harder for them and lasts less time. Is What Alistair tells you at camp on DAO.

But the comic book Alistair is not funny, self deprecating and adorable like the DAO Alistair, so who knows ?

[The Six Path of Pain]

lafidaninfa wrote...

Spoiler! Although I am a huge fan of the series (adored Origins, loved the books, read the SG -hey, I even liked DA2!) I have to admit that THS felt kind of awkward and I'm not sure if I like the way the franchise is going. My biggest problem was the design. I already knew that the inspiration for the Tevinter Imperium was the Byzantine Empire, so It was nice to see byzantinish architecture in the beginning. My main concern is this sudden change from the dark, medievalish atmosphere of Origins to this new world where you get the impression that you're suddenly teleported to the 18th century America. Fancy clothing, garters, hats and pirates and all. That seemed like an awkward pastiche and definitely didn't work for me.I also didn't like the way this Mae chick was presented - she reminded me kind of Marilyn - definitely not medieval. Don't get me wrong, I am not obsessed with medieval culture but when I see Dragon Age I expect to get a medieval fantasy story, not the pirates of the Carribean. The story was ok and I especially liked the depiction of magistrate Titus. Minor details: Alistair's eyes are still blue and the elves are still depicted like in DA2. But... there are still 2 more issues to go! I hope it gets better, although I have to admit that I kind of lost my appetite...

I agree with you,though i'm hoping it's just a cultural and or regional thing.Like if Fereldan has a more medieval atmosphere with knights,castles,and kings then another place like rivain will have a more 18th century atmoshere with pirates,garters,hats,wigs and such.With that being said that Kossith female was looking pretty good,woudn't mind having one as a romance option in a future DA game lol 

[Blacklash93]

Just looked into this... wow 3 more dollars for 7 more pages?

Pass.

[Hel]

Giltspur wrote...

That's interesting.  I *think* Gaider once mentioned that Maric has at least two children.  And my general thought was "Um...Cailan and Alistair?  How is this surprising?  Of course, he has *at least* two."  Though maybe he meant two living (potentially with Alistair, depending on DAO decisions) children.  I'm also hoping I haven't misremembered a Gaider quote.  Edit: It was reported that he said that. Here's what I was thinking of:

http://social.biowar...index/8184797/9  (then search for "at least two"--sorry I'm not a pro forum linker)

Mmm, second-hand quotes from conventions.

Maric also had a son with Fiona (Orlesian elven mage and Grey Warden). And it hasn't been confirmed whether Alistair is that son. So maybe there are in fact 2 (or more) bastards of Maric running about.

[Urzon]

It's been awhile, but doesn't Fiona make a passing remark about her son in Asunder? She didn't say his name, but I could have sworn she mentions him.
Though my memories could be playing tricks on me again.

Modifié par Urzon, 27 août 2012 - 05:47 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

ShadowLordXII wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Meh. Alistair strikes me as lesss whiney and childish and 90% of these forums.
Besides, he had every reason to not trust and want Loghian dead.

It's not so much that Alistair was wrong for calling for Loghain's head, but that he always somehow walks out on you if you spare Loghain and make him a Warden.  Grey Warden's are supposed to put the needs of others above their own to fight the darkspawn and seeing Alistair walk away from his duties as one while the Blight is on their doorstep doesn't really help his case.

Well, one could argue that sparing Loghain doesn't help at all. Let's face it - if you spare Loghain you effectively betrayed him. And more than that. You put an unworthy, backstabing SoB in a position to do more harm.
One could argue that Denerim and Ferelden are already doomed.

Not saying that Alistair walking out on you was a smart thing for him to do, but I've seen people acting far more brainless and emotional for far, FAAAR sillier reasons.

[Hel]

Urzon wrote...

It's been awhile, but doesn't Fiona make a passing remark about her son in Asunder? She didn't say his name, but I could have sworn she mentions him.
Though my memories could be playing tricks on me again.

Didn't read Asunder yet as the Wheel of Time series takes precedence. (Sorry D.G. )

[thats1evildude]

Urzon wrote...

It's been awhile, but doesn't Fiona make a passing remark about her son in Asunder? She didn't say his name, but I could have sworn she mentions him.
Though my memories could be playing tricks on me again.

No, she does not. You might be confusing Wynne for Fiona.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 27 août 2012 - 07:29 .

[The Night Haunter]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ShadowLordXII wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Meh. Alistair strikes me as lesss whiney and childish and 90% of these forums.
Besides, he had every reason to not trust and want Loghian dead.

It's not so much that Alistair was wrong for calling for Loghain's head, but that he always somehow walks out on you if you spare Loghain and make him a Warden.  Grey Warden's are supposed to put the needs of others above their own to fight the darkspawn and seeing Alistair walk away from his duties as one while the Blight is on their doorstep doesn't really help his case.

Well, one could argue that sparing Loghain doesn't help at all. Let's face it - if you spare Loghain you effectively betrayed him. And more than that. You put an unworthy, backstabing SoB in a position to do more harm.
One could argue that Denerim and Ferelden are already doomed.

Not saying that Alistair walking out on you was a smart thing for him to do, but I've seen people acting far more brainless and emotional for far, FAAAR sillier reasons.

Not to mention at that point Alistair doesn't know a Warden is really needed to stop a blight. He doesnt know about the Sacrifice.

[K_Tabris]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

ShadowLordXII wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Meh. Alistair strikes me as lesss whiney and childish and 90% of these forums.
Besides, he had every reason to not trust and want Loghian dead.

It's not so much that Alistair was wrong for calling for Loghain's head, but that he always somehow walks out on you if you spare Loghain and make him a Warden.  Grey Warden's are supposed to put the needs of others above their own to fight the darkspawn and seeing Alistair walk away from his duties as one while the Blight is on their doorstep doesn't really help his case.

Well, one could argue that sparing Loghain doesn't help at all. Let's face it - if you spare Loghain you effectively betrayed him. And more than that. You put an unworthy, backstabing SoB in a position to do more harm.
One could argue that Denerim and Ferelden are already doomed.

Not saying that Alistair walking out on you was a smart thing for him to do, but I've seen people acting far more brainless and emotional for far, FAAAR sillier reasons.

I find it rather ironic that Alistair reveres a man who is guilty of senseless murder.

****DA: the Calling spoiler

Duncan murdered the Warden Commander's fiance after being caught red-handed attempting to steal a piece of jewelry.  The same man Alistair reveres so much.  In addition to this, throughout the game, Alistair mentions his distaste for thieves more than once.  If Alistair knew of Duncan's past, I wonder if he would be more accepting of the idea of recruiting Loghain? Or maybe he wouldn't have respected Duncan so much.