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[Kulyok]

Okay, read it. Pfft, Alistair is flirting(and more?) left and right! Bad boy, but the comics are lovely. I wonder: I executed Alistair in my game, but so many events happen outside the games with the assumption that Alistair is king. What will happen in the third game? Are they going to retcon these events, or pretend nothing ever happened if Alistair is dead?

[InfinitePaths]

Xilizhra wrote...

Lazy, but acceptable for the time being. Of course, if Isabela's describing it as that, she clearly hasn't been given to the qunari by Hawke. I'd still accept their aid against the templars.

Yeah,qunari would totally help the mages(Sarcasm)

[CudaThedas]

Dragon Age: Those Who Speak #2 Teaser

[R2s Muse]

OK just read #2. Hmm, not too much on the Alistair front. Poor dear had like two lines. Really want to see more about Maric and that storyline, altho it was nice to learna bit more about Izzy.

Isabela's backstory was expected, and unexpected. I was surprised that her mom was converting to the qun, and that's why she sold her. I had expected it to be purely financial somehow. Still skeevy, tho.

The thing I'm wondering now is this line: "The old gods were like unto dragons as the first human kings were like unto ordinary man."

Was there something special about the first human kings, like something about the Calenhad blood line thing? Or were they just regular, non-superhero guys with good leadership and war skills? I'm not sure what this then tells us about the old gods. So, are they just dragon kings, or are they trying to say that there *is* something innately special about them, according to the Tome of Koslun??

[Corker]

If I recall correctly from his codex entry, Calenhad was something like the third son of a not-especially-successful merchant. Maybe he was an X-Man king with a special mutation that's made his descendants awesome, I don't know.

[mousestalker]

Corker wrote...

If I recall correctly from his codex entry, Calenhad was something like the third son of a not-especially-successful merchant. Maybe he was an X-Man king with a special mutation that's made his descendants awesome, I don't know.

Also gave them blond hair and an affinity for cheese?

I have to agree with the R2s Muse, above. #2 did give a lot of information about Isabela. It seemed mostly her backstory framed by a Cassandra/Varric like narrative. But there really wasn't much in the way of character development so it didn't do much for me.

Maybe #3 will do better.

Modifié par mousestalker, 27 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[TEWR]

Hmm.... Calenhad was born in 5:20 Exalted. That's 4 centuries prior to the Fifth Blight, if we look at Dwarven accounts which state it began about a decade before it was officially declared by the surface lands.

The Fourth Blight was ended in 5:20 Exalted.

Could this mean that the uniqueness and power inherent in the Calenhad bloodline stems from Calenhad himself being an OGB of the Archdemon of said Blight? Hmm....

It would make sense, considering what was said above about "The Old Gods are to Dragons what the kings of nations are to ordinary men." or whatnot and the fact that Maric's blood/Alistair's blood was required to awaken Dragons.

EDIT: No... wait... scratch all that. While it'd make sense, the Fourth Blight wasn't ended until 5:24 Exalted, according to the codex on Garahel's Helm.

Damn.

EDIT #2: Scratch that! The Ballad of Ayesleigh was written in 5:20 Exalted, reportedly after Garahel defeated Andoral in single combat.

Which means that the Thaw lasted for 4 years, I'd assume. Or that the Warden Prosper only recounted the events of what happened at Ayesleigh four years later in a letter to a certain party.

Though someone should edit this in on the wiki, as it fails to note this timeline discrepancy between Origins and DAII.

Son of a ****, I know I'm right on this though!

Sebciooo911 wrote...

Having not read the comics but knowing the general gist of what happens, I can only make a few wild guesses as to what's going on here. Is Isabela being put through the "qamek" act after her interrogation by the Tamassran? Are these shackled people prisoners of the Tevinter Dragon Cult? Are they Fex? I'd like to think so, but they look more Elven then anything else.

Judging by the background, they're underwater. Why? 

Also, Rasaan -- I think that was her name. She's just there to be awesome.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Xilizhra]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Lazy, but acceptable for the time being. Of course, if Isabela's describing it as that, she clearly hasn't been given to the qunari by Hawke. I'd still accept their aid against the templars.

Yeah,qunari would totally help the mages(Sarcasm)

I meant Tevinter's aid.

[Reznore57]

I'm gonna spoil to answer The Ethereal Writer Redux .....

.....



The people drowning are elves slaves , Isabella used to work with some slaver ( the tevinter guy she killed in issue 1 while nobody was looking).
During a travel ,an orlesian boat chased them .Orlesians hung slavers.
Sadly , because of all the slaves ,ISabella's boat was too heavy and she was about to get caught.
So one by one the elves have been thrown overboard , left to drown.

After this , Isabella feeling really bad swore to never work for any slavers again.That's why she freed the slaves later and got in big trouble.

Most of the issue is about Rasaan asking Isabella what her real name is , stating that everything that happened to her can be amend with the qun.
At the end Isabella tell her to f*** off , and Rasaan (who already punch Isabella a few time before) hold her head above the qamek and tell her that she will forget about any name she ever had and will submit to the qun willing or not.

And that's the end , but i doubt Isabella will be turned into a zombie .

[R2s Muse]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Hmm.... Calenhad was born in 5:20 Exalted. That's 4 centuries prior to the Fifth Blight, if we look at Dwarven accounts which state it began about a decade before it was officially declared by the surface lands.

The Fourth Blight was ended in 5:20 Exalted.

Could this mean that the uniqueness and power inherent in the Calenhad bloodline stems from Calenhad himself being an OGB of the Archdemon of said Blight? Hmm....

It would make sense, considering what was said above about "The Old Gods are to Dragons what the kings of nations are to ordinary men." or whatnot and the fact that Maric's blood/Alistair's blood was required to awaken Dragons.

Hmm, TEWR, you might be on to something. I could see the comics giving us info on the whole OGB scenario without dealing directly with whether the Morrigan ritual was done or not. If it had been done in the past with Calenhad, that would be a clever way to expound on an OGB and what it is/means.

To be technical, he actually says "the first human kings." Who are these exactly? Calenhad was the first Fereldan king, right, but Fereldan wasn't the first human nation. I would guess that's Tevinter...? Who were Tevinter's first kings?

Or is this just taking a generic page from LOTR how the original human kings were superhumans living almost forever? (not that I've ever fully understood the appendices and history of Middle Earth...)

[Reznore57]

The only thing i could think of is the first human kings made some blood pact with dragons (or old gods) .
That would explain how the human wiped out the elves ( elves were far better at magic afterall ), and sunk Arlathan.
Meaning dragons made some human kings and humans made some dragon gods.

We know dragons are really really old and ruled Thedas(Yavanah says as much anyway), yet elves never worshipped them and they are supposed to be more ancient than humans.

I don't see how Calenhad line could have messed with dragons in recent history , dragon are supposed to be extinct for some times now , and are just beginning to show up again.

[MisterJB]

R2s Muse wrote...
Or is this just taking a generic page from LOTR how the original human kings were superhumans living almost forever? (not that I've ever fully understood the appendices and history of Middle Earth...)

I think this is closer to the truth. It's a generic staple of fantasy to make the founding kings of any kingdom to be as close to superhumans as you can get. In LOTR, one of the kings of Numenor that reigned in the pinnacle of its power, Ar-Pharazon, actually forced Sauron to prostate himself before him and eventually invaded the lands of Eru (pretty much GOD) Himself.

Modifié par MisterJB, 27 septembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[tmp7704]

R2s Muse wrote...

The thing I'm wondering now is this line: "The old gods were like unto dragons as the first human kings were like unto ordinary man."

It could simply mean the old gods were ruling over other dragons.

Having actual, obedient army of dragons at one's command... well, it's easy enough to see how that could be a very serious threat to all existing world powers.

Then again, it could be Tolkien-like concept of royal bloodline making the kings especially powerful/long-living/whathaveyou, compared to regular folks.

[Maria13]

Corker wrote...

If I recall correctly from his codex entry, Calenhad was something like the third son of a not-especially-successful merchant. Maybe he was an X-Man king with a special mutation that's made his descendants awesome, I don't know.

I get the impression that like a certain football/soccer manager Calenhad was a 'special one', ie he had the Theirin trait of almost unlimited charisma, hence his surprising ascent from mabari keeper to King with lots of people unexpectedly supporting him along the way.  Even the circle of mages made him a special suit of armour.  This charisman in the end proved to be his downfall, too many people squabbling for his favour, a few errors of judgment...  Where that specialness came from I do not know.  Perhaps dragons, perhaps Andraste, mage or elven blood...

Alistair has also displayed not a few special traits, he doesn't need lyrium to use templar powers he may be, like Maric may have been, immune to the taint...

BTW great to see you around Corker!!!

Modifié par Maria13, 28 septembre 2012 - 01:12 .

[Corker]

I got no problems with Calenhad being an extra-special super duper person with amazing charisma and mad leadership skillz.

I do got problems with the True Blood of Kings thing where that's all destined and inheritable. I am a sucker for the unlimited potential of every man and woman - no extra-special blood needed.

[Maria13]

I do take on board your point, Corker, but that is not so say that it hasn't been set up like that narratively.

[Corker]

Oh, it sure does look like it's headed in that direction.

But... I mean, these are the Bioware forums, right?  I want my fair share of wailing and gnashing of teeth, too.

RUINED... NEVER BUY AGAIN... DEAD TO ME, BIOWARE... LOST ORIGINAL VISION... WHY WHY WHYYYYYY!!!!1!!!


...okay, I'm good now.

[Wissenschaft]

Renmiri1 wrote...

But the comic book Alistair is not funny, self deprecating and adorable like the DAO Alistair, so who knows ?

Its almost as if Alistair grew up while being king and learned to be serious.......

I suspect that a bit of Anora might have rubbed off on him.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Maria13]

Corker wrote...

Oh, it sure does look like it's headed in that direction.

But... I mean, these are the Bioware forums, right?  I want my fair share of wailing and gnashing of teeth, too.

RUINED... NEVER BUY AGAIN... DEAD TO ME, BIOWARE... LOST ORIGINAL VISION... WHY WHY WHYYYYYY!!!!1!!!


...okay, I'm good now.

I love your style!!!

[tmp7704]

Corker wrote...

But... I mean, these are the Bioware forums, right?  I want my fair share of wailing and gnashing of teeth, too.

RUINED... NEVER BUY AGAIN... DEAD TO ME, BIOWARE... LOST ORIGINAL VISION... WHY WHY WHYYYYYY!!!!1!!!

ORDER PRE-CANCELLED

[Sister Goldring]

So I see the release date on darkhorse listed as 14 November. I thought the comics were being released monthly? Any idea if this is an error or are we really going to have to wait another month for episode 3? 

Modifié par Sister Goldring, 14 octobre 2012 - 05:46 .

[TEWR]

R2s Muse wrote...

Hmm, TEWR, you might be on to something. I could see the comics giving us info on the whole OGB scenario without dealing directly with whether the Morrigan ritual was done or not. If it had been done in the past with Calenhad, that would be a clever way to expound on an OGB and what it is/means.

As the Stenishok has told us, the blood of Dragons flows within Alistair's veins.

So yay! I'm right! 

Question: In Witch Hunt and during the DR, what were Morrigan's words regarding the OGB?

To be technical, he actually says "the first human kings." Who are these exactly? Calenhad was the first Fereldan king, right, but Fereldan wasn't the first human nation. I would guess that's Tevinter...? Who were Tevinter's first kings?

Hmmm, well perhaps by "first human kings" it really means the leaders of their group? Like the Old Gods are the leaders of the Dragons, while the first human kings were leaders to their respective nations.

But if it is related to Tevinter's kings, that'd be something. Historically, Tevinter was ruled by a dynasty of Kings before Darinius took power as the Archon.

Still, seeing as Calenhad was the first human king of Ferelden, it could also mean not the literal first human kings, but the first human kings of growing nations. Or something.

[MisterJB]

Alistair is Dragonborn.

[Duster_Brosca]

I think Alistair has the dragon blood type thing because Maric's secret promise to Flemeth would be that he would father a child of prophecy to do God knows what. Impregnant Morrigan in some cannons, wake dragons- apparently. Whatever. Probably a silly idea but there it is.