Why do you keep forgetting that nobody was aware of the Crucible's true nature at that time?
As far as they knew it was an anti-Reaper weapon.[/quote]
That didn't stop them from going to Earth in order to deploy it. They know that it is a weapon capable of defeating the Reapers. Deploying it was their main objective. And as far as anyone knows, the Crucible still is an anti-Reaper weapon: no one oversaw Shepard's convo with the Catalyst.
[quote]Not everyone believes in being turned into a new type of cyborg either.[/quote]Then let`s just agree to disagree, then.
[quote]Again, Shepard does not let anything continue. Shepard fights to stop it.[/quote]
Actions speak louder than words, TAO. Let me ask you again: which action let's
[quote]With this type of thinking, you can never be a leader. A leader must be flexible and consider the options, no matter how heinous they appear to be. Emotion will only be your downfall. The Creators are responsible for the Catalyst, but punishment is long gone and long overdue. This is not a machine with a malevolent end-goal. This a machine with a logic loop, and as such can not be held responsible if it doesn't see beyond the goal it has set for itself.[/quote]
[quote]Again with the headcanon. The Catalyst is a sentient being and responsible for it's own actions.[/quote]
It and it alone continues the cycle, not Shepard.[/quote]
So, if you can't convince me otherwise, you repeat what you said before? This is not debate. You say, "the Catalyst is sentient being responsible for its actions." I explained that it can't be responsible because it is bound by its programming. Your response is repeating the same statement. Convince me otherwise. Convince me that this is not a machine with a logic loop and convince me that it is malevolent. Convince me, then, that it wasn't the Creators' fault for limiting its programming and making sure that it doesn't implement a solution such as the Reapers.
[quote]Oh sure, as long as they're all part synthetics. Hence, homogenity. Nobody can be left out. Nobody can be different.[/quote]
What makes them different is their initial organic species. Never mind that there are different synthetics. The geth are a synthetic networked intelligence. The Zha'til are cyborgs born of organics. They're not the same, either.
[quote]It's two different things. So no.[/quote]
It all comes down to choice. That's the essence of life: a series of choice.
[quote]Potentially. But I don't deal in appeals to probability. In the here and now, the Rachni are affecting and changing nothing because they're already dead.[/quote]
Maybe in your playthrough, but not in mine. Butterfly Effect works both ways: if you eliminate the Rachni, you eliminate the chance that they can see the galaxy again.
[quote]Which STILL isn't even a tenth of the magnitude of synthesis.[/quote]
It's not the same, yes, but it still has a large magnitude. It still makes you responsible.
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[quote]And now you're going to tell me that I am not responsible for my own decisions.[/quote]
Say what?[/quote]
A counterargument to what you were implying.
[quote]And since you love metagaming, you should know that this amounted to exactly nothing.[/quote]
I'm only using this metagaming example to prove my point: that choices no matter how big or small have an impact. But my initial premise is not based on metagaming. Every decision I make has a potential consequence. It may mean nothing to you, but to a gamer who is going through this journey, it means something, because I don't know if my decision will reward me or bite me in the ****. To an individual in this universe, it means a lot, because I will be affecting the life of someone, somewhere, just like the choice to shoot a ship's railgun with or without targeting parameters (refer to the conversation between the soldiers on the Citadel).
[quote]How is that a strawman? My point is that this decision was criticised, because the Council thought that Shepard, Spectre or no, was no one to make such a decision.[/quote]
That Shepard was criticized for not being qualified to make such a decision is a strawman because it has nothing to do with the Butterfly Effect, but in retrospect to what you said, it actually proves my point: Shepard is admonished either for killing them or releasing them.
[quote]And I will say this again. You have no sense of scale or relativity.[/quote]
I do. You just seem to think that the little things in life do not matter to anyone, anywhere.
[quote]What? How is directly integrating AIs with your own brain less than this cycle?[/quote]
Because I said it before: a soldier with a biotic amp is still himself and is able to understand the implications of his upgrade and use it to improve his life. The Zha'til are enslaved and hence less evolved in that respect.
[quote]Oh come on. Use common sense.[/quote]
Commonsense once said that the Earth was flat. I fail to see your point.
[quote]If you think the Crucible is in fact more than a power source, was designed by organics and carries these functions.. how does the Catalyst know about it? How does it "change" it?[/quote]
Because the Catalyst said so itself: that it first noticed its design several cycles ago. That it changed it means that it created new possibilities. That it finally interfaced with a working Crucible means that it has new ways of fulfilling its programming and at the same time fulfilling Shepard's goal of ending the cycle (i.e. implementing a solution OTHER than the Reapers and at the same time defeating them or rendering them irrelevant).
I am changed when I see an alternative to the technology that I have at my disposal. I realize that there are new things I can accomplish because I have the means to carry them out.
[quote]Organics designing the Crucible to do this without knowing about the Catalyst would be like someone designing an addon for your computer that interfaces with it's OS without knowing what that OS is. Yeah good luck with that.[/quote]
Only that they DID know about the Catalyst: the Catalyst is the Citadel. The Crucible was designed to dock with the Citadel that was the Catalyst. What they didn't know that the Catalyst AI and the Catalyst Citadel were one and the same thing, as I also said before. They didn't have to know that the Catalyst AI existed when the Catalyst was the Citadel. Their names are merely a coincidence and more for symbolism than anything else.
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