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[SOLID_EVEREST]

As someone stated earlier, they have the same people working on DA: 3. It will not be a giant transition from DA: 2. I mean the developers are already saying that they have no intention of returning to the Origins style game. Pretty much, my last chance was DA: 2, and I have no interest in DA: 3 unless they do another 180 back to the Origins style.

[bmwcrazy]

I seriously didn't mind the DA2 combat game play except for the stupid enemy respawn.

What pissed me off was the lazy level design and the reuse of same old dungeons for different missions.

[Barbarossa2010]

Bioware has changed fundamentally from the crew that gave us Dragon Age Origins. They are not the same, and to hear them talk, that's a good thing. I disagree completely, and will absolutely vote with my wallet, having already started to do that with DA2 and (now) ME3 DLCs. Honestly, I only bought ME3 under full confidence that they couldn't "DA2" that all up. Well, I was wrong, and that will be the last time. Their last two entries were dull, uninspired and were more about cost-cutting and balance sheets, than satisfying players with a quality experience.

They have shown nothing in word and deed (ME3's EC being a great example of what their real view of sufficient is) to convince me that their next entry will be any different. And in my view talk of companion armor, development time, or cut-and-past levels is a waste time as they are the least of Bioware's product problems. Fundamentally, their vision of product sufficiency is flawed and unsatisfactory in my personal view. Expect more of the same, except now with micro-transactions and even heavier-handed DMR. If that is satisfactory or even pleasing to some, they will be happy; if it is insufficient and unfun to others, as it is for me, it's best to look elsewhere for a solid gaming experience.

I know I am. I only tinker in off-topic anymore just to share New Vegas or Skyrim experiences with others I've know for some time, or like now, to share a rare and very general opinion about Bioware products. I don't even bother anymore in the main forums. I just don't care anymore since Bioware has clearly shown me over the last year and a half, that they're single mindedly charting a new course of less is more, and are happy in doing so, so their listening ears are pretty much reserved for those who are happy with less, as opposed to people like me anyway, so why bother?

So, for me the last chance has passed. I have a pretty good idea what we're going to get with DA3. If it happens to turn out to be a Skyrim-level game, that has strong after release word of mouth, that I'll gladly spend 600 hours in, with Bioware's old signature qualities, I'll be the first to say I was wrong. Don't see that happening, and a company making it so clear that they no longer want me as a customer anymore has actually done me a great service.

Modifié par Barbarossa2010, 23 août 2012 - 09:32 .

[bmwcrazy]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

So, for me the last chance has passed. I have a pretty good idea what we're going to get with DA3. If it happens to turn out to be a Skyrim-level game, that has strong after release word of mouth, that I'll gladly spend 600 hours in,

I will eat my hair if DA3 can actually give you 600 hours of potential gameplay.

[Barbarossa2010]

You're safe. Like I said, the last chance has passed. And 600 hours is nothing over the period of a year. Drop into the Skyrim thread sometime.

[Blastback]

greengoron89 wrote...

SOLID_EVEREST wrote...

As someone stated earlier, they have the same people working on DA: 3. It will not be a giant transition from DA: 2. I mean the developers are already saying that they have no intention of returning to the Origins style game. Pretty much, my last chance was DA: 2, and I have no interest in DA: 3 unless they do another 180 back to the Origins style.

LOL. I thought they were gonna blend the best of DA:O with the best of DA2? Now they're backpedaling and saying they're not returning to DA:O's style at all?

Way to stick with what works, BW. Bravo.

Actually they were originally saying that they wouldn't return to Origins.  The blending talk came later.

[Barbarossa2010]

Same here gg. I had seven characters and probably close to that amount of time.

[bmwcrazy]

Barbarossa2010 wrote...

You're safe. Like I said, the last chance has passed. And 600 hours is nothing over the period of a year. Drop into the Skyrim thread sometime.

I know. I've probably spent more than 1000 hours in Oblivion and I still haven't completed the main quest. 

That's the main reason why my Skyrim Collector's Edition is still unopened. 

[AlanC9]

Bio wasn't on a mission to be a niche publisher in the first place. They got big by licensing lowest-common-denominator properties with mass appeal. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

Last chance? Probably.


The only reason I'm sticking around on BSN is the enn. Disc forums and ocasionly to chime in on some interesting threads. And to pick up news on DA3. And I don't like what I'm hearing.

My predictions on ME3, ME3 and DA2 were spot on and thus I fear for DA3.

If they frak DA3 I won't even bother looking at their next game.

[Naughty Bear]

I'm not buying DA3 until i read the reviews by members here or it's 10 Euro. True that is a double edge blade and it will either be a 0/10 or a 10/10 but atleast the members here are passionate about the game the most. Thats what matters.

[spirosz]

It will go bad and people will praise DA II & ME3 , watch. Same **** happens every year.

Modifié par spirosz, 24 août 2012 - 02:33 .

[Addai]

spirosz wrote...

It will go bad and people will praise DA II & ME3 , watch. Same **** happens every year.

Hehe, not likely.  The ME3 backlash didn't cause people to start praising DA2 all of a sudden, more like the opposite.  If you believe that those of us who dislike DA2 are somehow going to be hit by a wave of nostalgia for it, you're in for a shock.

The best chance I have for renewed interest in the franchise is to forget anything was released after Origins, except maybe Return to Ostagar and Awakening.

[fainmaca]

No. ME3 was pretty much the last chance to impress players of their older games.

What DA3 will do, however, is show how much damage ME3 did to Bioware's credibility, if any. The sales figures will show how many people are still willing to take a chance on Bioware. It sells well, people are willing to put up with Bioware's current creative decisions. It sells bad, Bioware done messed up.

And, of course, this may lead to the point where EA decides whether its worth keeping the Bioware name or not.

[Volus Warlord]

More like last chance to prove they are still a good studio.

I don't really qualify as an "older fan" (I only began to follow Bioware after ME2) but everything has seemed to go downhill since then. If it was one disappointment in a great while, I could call it a fluke, an accident, a stroke of bad luck and/or judgement.

A series of disappointments simply cannot be blamed on coincidence. DA2, TOR, ME3.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

 Perhaps, in most cases those digruntled fans have already abandoned Bioware and they don't really give a damn about DA3. These are usually the ones who like their old stuff better. To me it maked little difference, I like their old games and the recent ones too. Even if DA3 tunrs out to be flawed I will still support them just because they still  have an ability to make some engaging games(such as ME) However I really disagree with arguement that they are making their game more casual to make more money, such nonsense.

Modifié par Andarthiel_Demigod, 24 août 2012 - 04:08 .

[Elhanan]

Volus Warlord wrote...

More like last chance to prove they are still a good studio.

I don't really qualify as an "older fan" (I only began to follow Bioware after ME2) but everything has seemed to go downhill since then. If it was one disappointment in a great while, I could call it a fluke, an accident, a stroke of bad luck and/or judgement.

A series of disappointments simply cannot be blamed on coincidence. DA2, TOR, ME3.

This may depend of how one defines disappointment, as EA Quarterly reports seem to indicate that sales for all these titles were positive (eg; 2m+ for DA2).

[Volus Warlord]

Elhanan wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

More like last chance to prove they are still a good studio.

I don't really qualify as an "older fan" (I only began to follow Bioware after ME2) but everything has seemed to go downhill since then. If it was one disappointment in a great while, I could call it a fluke, an accident, a stroke of bad luck and/or judgement.

A series of disappointments simply cannot be blamed on coincidence. DA2, TOR, ME3.

This may depend of how one defines disappointment, as EA Quarterly reports seem to indicate that sales for all these titles were positive (eg; 2m+ for DA2).

I'm not a shareholder (and I would NEVER put money into EA), I'm a customer. I do not care about how many they sold. I care if the product is one of quality.

[KDD-0063]

Well, DA3 isn't a game that I will wait for.
When it is released I probably won't even notice.