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[chunkyman]

Since I'm 95% sure DA3 is going to be DA2 with better dungeons, my faith in Bioware is well and thoroughly lost.

0% chance of me preordering one of their games again.

[Chromie]

Elhanan wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Pot; meet kettle....

The irony is strong with this one.

Nice pun! Pot, kettle, irony! You have learned well, Padawan.....

No one thinks of you as their teacher.

[robertm2]

im not sure about other people but da3 is biowares last chance in my book. i already dont trust them enough to pre-order it and after the way they lied about so much in regards to me3 and then treated the fans who didnt like the game like crap i think i will be buying used. they dont deserve my money. however if dragon age 3 is amazing and they dont lie through there teeth about half the game before it comes out i will consider trusting bioware again.

Modifié par robertm2, 24 août 2012 - 06:58 .

[Elhanan]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

^ This. So much this.

If people would just stop blindly throwing money at half-finished crappy products, I bet the dreamy capitalistic fantasy bubble of big gaming companies would rapidly pop. But I can already see the herd of fanboys waiting at the front door of gaming shops, waiting hours before the shop opens, just to get their hands on a copy of a new game and be 'the first' to try it out....And afterwards they get hit by reality and they move on to whine on these forums.

Or one could purchase fully playable pruducts from Bioware; nice to have options.

[slimgrin]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Personally, I'll keep a cautious eye on DA3, but I don't have any high expectations for it. The biggest problem I see for BW is that they keep rushing their games and no one wins w/ that mindset.

This person speaks the truth. ME1, DA:O and ME2 may be mainstream attractions, but damn those games are good. They are rich and cinematic and have enough depth to replay a few times. Bioware actively targeting mainstream gamers is less of a concern than losing quality in development.

[naughty99]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Do you?

What do you consider to be their "older" games?

Never played Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, Jade Empire or NWN before, so I don't have a frame of reference for the "older" Bioware approach. 

Didn't enjoy ME1 much, liked ME2 a bit more and liked ME3 the most out of the three games in this series. I really liked DA:O and Awakenings. Overall I enjoyed DA2, but it seemed a little rushed and could have been a great game with better side quests, more varied environments and levels, and more interesting faction questlines and faction choices. 

I have an open mind about DA3. I think the lore of this series is fascinating and I hope it turns out to be a great game.

robertm2 wrote...

im not sure about other people but da3 is biowares last chance in my book. i already dont trust them enough to pre-order it and after the way they lied about so much in regards to me3 and then treated the fans who didnt like the game like crap i think i will be buying used. they dont deserve my money. however if dragon age 3 is amazing and they dont lie through there teeth about half the game before it comes out i will consider trusting bioware again.

 

In my case I usually wait to see gameplay footage and read reviews before buying any game. If DA3 turns out to be a bad game, I don't think my buying habits would change in any way.

Modifié par naughty99, 24 août 2012 - 07:17 .

[jackofalltrades456]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

Also, the 'EA in a nutshell' video might be executed in a comedic way, but I think there certainly is some truth in what is being shown, even more so in the accompanied list of claims against EA.

That was amazing.

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Maybe you should google "EA stock price drop," for some balance.

Here, let me help.

Thanks, but I prefer to go to this source. Supposedly these results are audited, so there is accountability:

http://files.shareho...ables_FINAL.pdf

So... you're saying that there's a giant conspiracy to make the public believe that EA's stock price hasn't tanked but is actually doing gangbusters?

You are familiar with the concept of companies using PR to spin negatives into not-so-negatives in their own press releases?

I mean, there is sticking up for your favorite game developer, and then there's just denial.  I think you're engaging in some of the latter.  None of this means EA or Bioware is about to close, but it ain't good.

[Elhanan]

Addai67 wrote...

So... you're saying that there's a giant conspiracy to make the public believe that EA's stock price hasn't tanked but is actually doing gangbusters?

You are familiar with the concept of companies using PR to spin negatives into not-so-negatives in their own press releases?

I mean, there is sticking up for your favorite game developer, and then there's just denial.  I think you're engaging in some of the latter.  None of this means EA or Bioware is about to close, but it ain't good.

Nope; do not care about economics and stats at all (other than that the entire globe is currently suffering); simply providing another POV; one that is held accountable as opposed to those with a possible bias in the other direction.

Plus it is my pleasure to provide such info as a sycophant.... 

Modifié par Elhanan, 24 août 2012 - 08:00 .

[Addai]

Elhanan wrote...
Nope; do not care about economics and stats at all (other than that the entire globe is currently suffering); simply providing another POV; one that is held accountable as opposed to those with a possible bias in the other direction.

Dude.  The link I gave was to a gaming business magazine, not to reddit or 4chan.  You saying that all is hunky dorey in EAland does not come off as objective analysis but as plugging your ears and saying lalalala.  I suppose you think the investors dumping EA stock are just "haters."

Sure, DA2 got some sales, ME3 as well.  Like a lot of people who pre-ordered DA2, we bought it because of Origins, because even with concerns I saw in the pre-release I was willing to have some faith.  That's not going to happen again.

Modifié par Addai67, 24 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[naughty99]

greengoron89 wrote...

Wait a second - from what magic hat did you pull the sales numbers for DA2? Every source I've seen shows it didn't even sell half as much as DA:O, which actually did break two million in sales.

You're gonna have to back that number up with something tangible, m'afraid.

I don't know how this compares to DA:O, but DA2 reportedly sold at least 2 million packaged retail copies:

- 940k Xbox360 copies
- 620k PS3 copies
- 440k packaged retail PC copies

In addition, an unknown number of PC digital download copies were sold. Many like myself purchased the game on Steam, and these numbers aren't reported publicly. 

Modifié par naughty99, 24 août 2012 - 09:35 .

[marshalleck]

naughty99 wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Wait a second - from what magic hat did you pull the sales numbers for DA2? Every source I've seen shows it didn't even sell half as much as DA:O, which actually did break two million in sales.

You're gonna have to back that number up with something tangible, m'afraid.

DA2 reportedly sold at least 2 million packaged retail copies:

- 940k Xbox360 copies
- 620k PS3 copies
- 440k packaged retail PC copies

In addition, an unknown number of PC digital download copies were sold. Many like myself purchased the game on Steam, and these numbers aren't reported publicly. 

Of course it sold well. It was the followup to Dragon Age Origins, which was amazing. 

Let's see how well DA3 does. It's going to be fighting an uphill battle. 

OT: I have no real interest in DA3. Once they actually have something to show I'll probably take a look just out of morbid curiosity (the same impulse that would lead me to look at a violent car wreck) but between ME3 and DA2 I'm pretty much done with Bioware.

Modifié par marshalleck, 24 août 2012 - 09:38 .

[Shadowwot]

I'll continue to buy BioWare products - I've bought everything since BG1 and have really enjoyed everything since (although I have issues with DA2's reused maps).

[naughty99]

greengoron89 wrote...

This report from 2010 reports DA:O had already sold 3.2 million units at that time - if I can find a more recent source, I'd love to know how much more it's sold in the two years since then.

EDIT: It's my understanding that VGChartz' figures are a bit sketchy, so I try to avoid citing them when I can.

I think the general consensus is that DA:O was a better game overall compared with DA2.

I had a chance to try the DA2 demo at Comic Con almost a year before the launch, so I had a pretty good idea about the game when I pre-ordered, and I wasn't disappointed with my purchase. I did feel there were a number of areas that could have been improved, of course.

Hopefully the dev team has taken the DA2 fan feedback to heart and is planning great things for DA3.

Modifié par naughty99, 24 août 2012 - 09:59 .

[slimgrin]

Shadowwot wrote...

I'll continue to buy BioWare products - I've bought everything since BG1 and have really enjoyed everything since (although I have issues with DA2's reused maps).

NUTS!!! I think a renowned miltary commander said that once. I won't buy anything that isn't on the same level of ME1 in terms of quality and execution.

Modifié par slimgrin, 24 août 2012 - 10:01 .

[legion999]

slimgrin wrote...

Shadowwot wrote...

I'll continue to buy BioWare products - I've bought everything since BG1 and have really enjoyed everything since (although I have issues with DA2's reused maps).

NUTS!!! I think a renowned miltary commander said that once. I won't buy anything that isn't on the same level of ME1 in terms of quality and execution.

Except for the maps. Jesus they were bad.

[spirosz]

Addai67 wrote...

Hehe, not likely.  The ME3 backlash didn't cause people to start praising DA2 all of a sudden, more like the opposite.  If you believe that those of us who dislike DA2 are somehow going to be hit by a wave of nostalgia for it, you're in for a shock.

The best chance I have for renewed interest in the franchise is to forget anything was released after Origins, except maybe Return to Ostagar and Awakening.

I'm just going off what I saw in the forums, half the people I remember hating on ME2 now praise it and I expect the exact same thing to happen when DA III releases, people will start pointing out the postives in DA II, as if they were never there in the first place. 

Modifié par spirosz, 25 août 2012 - 12:04 .

[Addai]

spirosz wrote...

I'm just going off what I saw in the forums, half the people I remember hating on ME2 now praise it and I expect the exact same thing to happen when DA III releases, people will start pointing out the postives in DA II, as if they were never there in the first place. 

ME2 was generally a very well received game.  I know some old time ME1 players didn't like it, but Dragon Age is another ballgame.  While ME1 and ME2 are very different games, the polish and quality of the series was still there in 2.  That can't be said for DA2.