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[Eurypterid]

'Last chance'? Of course it will be, for some people. Others have already given up on BioWare. Still others are fans that will still buy their products. Me, personally, I was very disappointed with DA2, whichI  pre-ordered. Very disappointed.

As a result I'm not pre-ordering any games until I see some reviews after release. I'm also not a fan of the pre-order DLC incentive model, so I avoid getting into that situation as well. Overall, with the exception of DA2, I really enjoy BioWare's games, so in the case of DA3, unless it's a clone of DA2, I'm pretty confident it's likely to be a game I'll enjoy. Of course, I'll wait to see what reviews from sources I trust are like and if it's reviewed positively, I'll pick it up shortly after release. Otherwise I'll wait for a price drop.

As a caveat, I'll mention that my views on DRM and games tied to clients will mean that I'll wait until a massive price drop if it requires Origin, no matter how good the reviews are. which is the main reason I haven't played ME3 yet.

Modifié par Eurypterid, 25 août 2012 - 12:44 .

[Laser Beam]

spirosz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Hehe, not likely.  The ME3 backlash didn't cause people to start praising DA2 all of a sudden, more like the opposite.  If you believe that those of us who dislike DA2 are somehow going to be hit by a wave of nostalgia for it, you're in for a shock.

The best chance I have for renewed interest in the franchise is to forget anything was released after Origins, except maybe Return to Ostagar and Awakening.

I'm just going off what I saw in the forums, half the people I remember hating on ME2 now praise it and I expect the exact same thing to happen when DA III releases, people will start pointing out the postives in DA II, as if they were never there in the first place. 

Except ME2 was critically acclaimed and reached no where near the negitivity that DAII has. And that's not just limited to these fourms. It's like common knowledge that DAII was horrid.

[hitorihanzo]

I'm not done with BioWare. However, their games have gone from "automatic first day buy" to "Investigate Thoroughly." I wouldn't say that I was burned by ME3. I was simply mislead as to what the game actually contained, and what it didn't. It's still a great game, but it's a great game with some problems. DA2 on the other hand...

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Maybe its the time to shout for better expression:

DON'T MILK THE FRANCHISE! DON'T SCREW IT UP AGAIN! THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE! *Samurai angry face*

[PaulSX]

Although I do love some of BioWare games, they are never guaranteed as first-day-purchase for me. Of course I will still buy their products if they suit my need.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Addai67 wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

nobody in game fought about who should be gay, you know

I'm talking about what preoccupies the fandom.  Other people might see gaming as a platform for social crusades, but it's pedantic and the soap opera drama is tiresome.

I agree, I've seen a lot of people here that seem more interested in promoting their political views, rather than wanting quality video games. Kinda annoying that they want to use my hobby as an outlet for their agenda, but oh well.

[Milan92]

I think saying "ITS THEIR LAST CHANCE TO REDEEM THEMSELFS!!!" is a bit dramatic, its afterall still just a game.

My advise is: If you feel like it then just play the game, If you didn't like then comment on what could be improved beter next time and let the game go. There is no need for overdramatic ranting like what happend with DA 2. If everybody just only say what they liked and what they didn't like in a normal and mature way then I think that Bioware will learn alot more from it then keep shouting. "THE GAME SUCKED OMG! I CAN'T BELIEVE I WASTED TIME ON THIS SHIAT!"

Modifié par Milan92, 25 août 2012 - 12:02 .

[mousestalker]

Eurypterid wrote...

'Last chance'? Of course it will be, for some people. Others have already given up on BioWare. Still others are fans that will still buy their products. Me, personally, I was very disappointed with DA2, whichI  pre-ordered. Very disappointed.

As a result I'm not pre-ordering any games until I see some reviews after release. I'm also not a fan of the pre-order DLC incentive model, so I avoid getting into that situation as well. Overall, with the exception of DA2, I really enjoy BioWare's games, so in the case of DA3, unless it's a clone of DA2, I'm pretty confident it's likely to be a game I'll enjoy. Of course, I'll wait to see what reviews from sources I trust are like and if it's reviewed positively, I'll pick it up shortly after release. Otherwise I'll wait for a price drop.

As a caveat, I'll mention that my views on DRM and games tied to clients will mean that I'll wait until a massive price drop if it requires Origin, no matter how good the reviews are. which is the main reason I haven't played ME3 yet.

What the fish said. 

[Barbarossa2010]

slimgrin wrote...

Shadowwot wrote...

I'll continue to buy BioWare products - I've bought everything since BG1 and have really enjoyed everything since (although I have issues with DA2's reused maps).

NUTS!!! I think a renowned miltary commander said that once. I won't buy anything that isn't on the same level of ME1 in terms of quality and execution.

McAuliffe...Bastogne...Dec 1944...BAMF


Oh, and I agree about quality and execution, because map reuse was one of the least of DA2's problems.

[Shade of Wolf]

I think DA3 has the opportunity to clear that last hurdle ME3 failed on. They really have a great chance to snatch the floor.

[Fredward]

No.

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

In my opinion, I'd say this is their last chance to keep any of their fans. BioWare really blew it on ME3 and DA2. But this seems like a "3rd chance and you're done" ordeal. I really want BioWare to do right, not just by their fans but to prove it to themselves. They're way better than what they've been putting out the last year. At least I hope they are... But if DA3 sucks, then I will never buy another BioWare game again. So yeah I might be getting my hopes too high, but I want DA3 to be like the "older" BioWare games and ...well for lack of a better word...good.

[Zanallen]

jollyorigins wrote...

Also why would the pauldron be on the sword arm? That has no practicality and makes zero sense.

Pauldrons are generally worn on both shoulders.

[Elhanan]

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

In my opinion, I'd say this is their last chance to keep any of their fans. BioWare really blew it on ME3 and DA2. But this seems like a "3rd chance and you're done" ordeal. I really want BioWare to do right, not just by their fans but to prove it to themselves. They're way better than what they've been putting out the last year. At least I hope they are... But if DA3 sucks, then I will never buy another BioWare game again. So yeah I might be getting my hopes too high, but I want DA3 to be like the "older" BioWare games and ...well for lack of a better word...good.

Sorry, but your opinion seems to be incorrect, as this fan has no plans to go elsewhere.

While I have not played ME3, the endings were seen and are fine to me (though I dislike 'V' original series type conclusions), and enjoyed DA2 (though not as much as DAO). Others seem to have liked both.

So while you are entitled to an opinion, it is a fact that this does not speak for any and every fan.

[Get Magna Carter]

for some maybe but for many it will extend indefinitely and include anything from significant former Bioware people...that is how fans behave

[Hyperglide]

The same could be said about any franchise. What a ridiculous statement.

[obZen DF]

I don't think it's justified to say 'last chance'. With DA2, people saw that Bioware isn't perfect. Then ME3 came along, wich is a fantastic game with some flaws (I'm not talking about the ending). So, you can say that Bioware 'screwed up' one of their games (DA2), but that doesn't mean people shouldn't give them another chance if DA3 fails to deliver.

Maybe Bioware will make new IP's in the future, that are fantastic/excellent. Maybe EA will go bankrupt (YES PLEASE), or Bioware is over, who knows. Just wait and see.

Modifié par obZen DF, 26 août 2012 - 05:39 .

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

Elhanan wrote...

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

In my opinion, I'd say this is their last chance to keep any of their fans. BioWare really blew it on ME3 and DA2. But this seems like a "3rd chance and you're done" ordeal. I really want BioWare to do right, not just by their fans but to prove it to themselves. They're way better than what they've been putting out the last year. At least I hope they are... But if DA3 sucks, then I will never buy another BioWare game again. So yeah I might be getting my hopes too high, but I want DA3 to be like the "older" BioWare games and ...well for lack of a better word...good.

Sorry, but your opinion seems to be incorrect, as this fan has no plans to go elsewhere.

While I have not played ME3, the endings were seen and are fine to me (though I dislike 'V' original series type conclusions), and enjoyed DA2 (though not as much as DAO). Others seem to have liked both.

So while you are entitled to an opinion, it is a fact that this does not speak for any and every fan.

Ok first off, why are you even responding to something you know nothing about? If you've never played ME3, you have no right to be even giving an opinion about the game. That's like saying " I know everything about science, but I've never studied science a day in my life". So therefore you're argument is invalid already. Second, I didn't hate DA2. However I thought it was a huge disappointment because I loved DAO and DA2 wasn't nearly as good. There were certain aspects I liked about DA2, the overall games was disappointing though. And third, I wasn't speaking on behalf of ever fan out there. I was simply giving an opinion. You're assuming way too much from reading one post. And I am optimistic about DA3, however if it's a disappointment like ME3 and DA2, I think it's safe to say that they don't want to stay with the distinct gaming experience they used to portray.

[kobayashi-maru]

No DA3 will be what it will be and fans will buy it. The important issue will be if and when Bioware create a new IP and the sales for that.

[Elhanan]

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

Ok first off, why are you even responding to something you know nothing about? If you've never played ME3, you have no right to be even giving an opinion about the game. That's like saying " I know everything about science, but I've never studied science a day in my life". So therefore you're argument is invalid already. Second, I didn't hate DA2. However I thought it was a huge disappointment because I loved DAO and DA2 wasn't nearly as good. There were certain aspects I liked about DA2, the overall games was disappointing though. And third, I wasn't speaking on behalf of ever fan out there. I was simply giving an opinion. You're assuming way too much from reading one post. And I am optimistic about DA3, however if it's a disappointment like ME3 and DA2, I think it's safe to say that they don't want to stay with the distinct gaming experience they used to portray.

1 - Did not give an opinion on ME3 as a game, but on the endings which were watched on youtube. And reading reviews and critiques from others may yield a lot of information that is helpful for research and forming opinions. Proably how several gain intel on purchasing a new release in the first place.

2 - You mentioned that Bioware 'blew it' with DA2, I believe. Both sales figures and varied opinions seem to differ with that evaluation.

3 - For some reason, 'any fan' was the stand-out phrase in your previous statement, to which I disagreed.

[Ridwan]

About the sales stuff, it's pretty simple. Did it make a profit or not?

You can point to numbers of units shipped and how much it made in combined sales, but if the profit isn't mentioned then it's anyone's guess.

And when you consider the huge marketing costs, development, hiring of A-list celebrity voice actors and all that.

200 million dollars made in sales, minus with God knows how much it cost to produce in the first place, the profit made probably isn't as much as we would like to believe.

Modifié par M25105, 27 août 2012 - 08:13 .

[Elhanan]

M25105 wrote...

About the sales stuff, it's pretty simple. Did it make a profit or not?

You can point to numbers of units shipped and how much it made in combined sales, but if the profit isn't mentioned then it's anyone's guess.

And when you consider the huge marketing costs, development, hiring of A-list celebrity voice actors and all that.

200 million dollars made in sales, minus with God knows how much it cost to produce in the first place, the profit made probably isn't as much as we would like to believe.

Not that simple. As mentioned earlier, sales does not always equate to quality. While I have yet to play it fully, PS:T is hailed as a critical success, but was not a big seller initially. And the Pool of Radiance: RoMD game sold well initially, but also may have shipped with a drive wiping bug among other problems, I understand.

But good sales and good profits are positive indicators, esp for the investors.