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[Rokayt]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I am uploading 4 videos. Unfortunately these 3 weapons are some of the UR's that I don't have at X.

First is a Gold Atlas vs PPR VI + Mods
Second is a Rev X with mods
Third is a Typhoon III with mods
Fourth is a Typhoon III with different mods

Since these were solo, I am obviously the host on all 4. I paused while I cleared and did the 3rd Wave objective, then picked up with only the Atlas left. The PPR was setup for max ammo in devestator mode, the other 3 for RoF.

I wonder if the off-host double pierce works on other weapons...

Sorry, just watched all the videos just now.  Is it me or do these videos show that the Revenant X is the best boss killing gun in the game??  It killed the atlas in one clip (128 bullets) and seemed to have a DPS that was WAY better than the Typhoon or the PPR.

In the videos, seemed like the PPR and the Typhoon were doing about the same.. but the Revenant just melted that atlas.  Is this expected?? 

The Typhooon, given its stats, should do far better then it does.
The Revenant doing this well does not suprise me in the slightest, given the things I do with it and the GI.
However.... For the Typhoon....

It seems that every single mod forces you to sacrifice one of its innate bonuses... Killing its performance completely....

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I am uploading 4 videos. Unfortunately these 3 weapons are some of the UR's that I don't have at X.

First is a Gold Atlas vs PPR VI + Mods
Second is a Rev X with mods
Third is a Typhoon III with mods
Fourth is a Typhoon III with different mods

Since these were solo, I am obviously the host on all 4. I paused while I cleared and did the 3rd Wave objective, then picked up with only the Atlas left. The PPR was setup for max ammo in devestator mode, the other 3 for RoF.

I wonder if the off-host double pierce works on other weapons...

Sorry, just watched all the videos just now.  Is it me or do these videos show that the Revenant X is the best boss killing gun in the game??  It killed the atlas in one clip (128 bullets) and seemed to have a DPS that was WAY better than the Typhoon or the PPR.

In the videos, seemed like the PPR and the Typhoon were doing about the same.. but the Revenant just melted that atlas.  Is this expected?? 

No. He is using the PPR wrong.

[Sulaco_7]

Rokayt wrote...

Sulaco_7 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I am uploading 4 videos. Unfortunately these 3 weapons are some of the UR's that I don't have at X.

First is a Gold Atlas vs PPR VI + Mods
Second is a Rev X with mods
Third is a Typhoon III with mods
Fourth is a Typhoon III with different mods

Since these were solo, I am obviously the host on all 4. I paused while I cleared and did the 3rd Wave objective, then picked up with only the Atlas left. The PPR was setup for max ammo in devestator mode, the other 3 for RoF.

I wonder if the off-host double pierce works on other weapons...

Sorry, just watched all the videos just now.  Is it me or do these videos show that the Revenant X is the best boss killing gun in the game??  It killed the atlas in one clip (128 bullets) and seemed to have a DPS that was WAY better than the Typhoon or the PPR.

In the videos, seemed like the PPR and the Typhoon were doing about the same.. but the Revenant just melted that atlas.  Is this expected?? 

The Typhooon, given its stats, should do far better then it does.
The Revenant doing this well does not suprise me in the slightest, given the things I do with it and the GI.
However.... For the Typhoon....

It seems that every single mod forces you to sacrifice one of its innate bonuses... Killing its performance completely....

I just want to go back to that Revenant X video again ('cuz it just seems so strange to me):
In that video, he killed a gold Atlas with 128 shots. 

A gold atlas has:
23,000 armor
21,094 shields

He cleared the shields with 62 shots and the armor with 66 shots.

21,094 / 62 = 340 damage per shot
23,000 / 66 = 348 damage per shot

I'm not an ME3 stat expert, but I highly doubt that you can get a Revenant to reach that kind of damage potential.  I mean, I don't even think you can get a Harrier X to get those kind of damage numbers.

So, is it because of shooting a weakspot on the Atlas or what??  I would really like to know... thanks!

[Rokayt]

Sulaco_7 wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Sulaco_7 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I am uploading 4 videos. Unfortunately these 3 weapons are some of the UR's that I don't have at X.

First is a Gold Atlas vs PPR VI + Mods
Second is a Rev X with mods
Third is a Typhoon III with mods
Fourth is a Typhoon III with different mods

Since these were solo, I am obviously the host on all 4. I paused while I cleared and did the 3rd Wave objective, then picked up with only the Atlas left. The PPR was setup for max ammo in devestator mode, the other 3 for RoF.

I wonder if the off-host double pierce works on other weapons...

Sorry, just watched all the videos just now.  Is it me or do these videos show that the Revenant X is the best boss killing gun in the game??  It killed the atlas in one clip (128 bullets) and seemed to have a DPS that was WAY better than the Typhoon or the PPR.

In the videos, seemed like the PPR and the Typhoon were doing about the same.. but the Revenant just melted that atlas.  Is this expected?? 

The Typhooon, given its stats, should do far better then it does.
The Revenant doing this well does not suprise me in the slightest, given the things I do with it and the GI.
However.... For the Typhoon....

It seems that every single mod forces you to sacrifice one of its innate bonuses... Killing its performance completely....

I just want to go back to that Revenant X video again ('cuz it just seems so strange to me):
In that video, he killed a gold Atlas with 128 shots. 

A gold atlas has:
23,000 armor
21,094 shields

He cleared the shields with 62 shots and the armor with 66 shots.

21,094 / 62 = 340 damage per shot
23,000 / 66 = 348 damage per shot

I'm not an ME3 stat expert, but I highly doubt that you can get a Revenant to reach that kind of damage potential.  I mean, I don't even think you can get a Harrier X to get those kind of damage numbers.

So, is it because of shooting a weakspot on the Atlas or what??  I would really like to know... thanks!

He could be getting the double shot glitch.... On host. <_<

If the revenant is better for glitch exploiting then the Typhoon.... Ummmm....

Just wow.

Modifié par Rokayt, 26 août 2012 - 02:44 .

[Rokayt]

death_for_sale wrote...

There is no double shot glitch on host, you proved this yourself. Nor am I shooting at a severe angle to bypass a blocked hitbox.

I went ahead and did the math if you want to look it over

AP Ammo III - DMG 30% + Armor reduction 70%
Assault Rifle Rail Amp III - DMG 25%
Assault Rifle Amp V - DMG 15%
Revenant X - 79.5 per Bullet/RoF 650/Clip 128 (with bonuses)

Passive from Skills
RoF 25% (New RoF 812.5)
DMG 35%
DMG 27.5%

Weapon_Damage = AmmoPowerDamage + Actual_Weapon_damage

New Actual Weapon Damage - 160.99
Ammo Power Damage - 48.30
New Weapon Damage - 209.29 + Armor Reduction 70%

Max Dmg per clip 26789.12 + Armor Reduction 70%

The atlas has almost twice that.

The Revenant should kill it in one magazine....

For some odd reason, the Revenant seems to do double hits ON HOST as well.

Modifié par Rokayt, 26 août 2012 - 04:21 .

[Rokayt]

death_for_sale wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

There is no double shot glitch on host, you proved this yourself. Nor am I shooting at a severe angle to bypass a blocked hitbox.

I went ahead and did the math if you want to look it over

AP Ammo III - DMG 30% + Armor reduction 70%
Assault Rifle Rail Amp III - DMG 25%
Assault Rifle Amp V - DMG 15%
Revenant X - 79.5 per Bullet/RoF 650/Clip 128 (with bonuses)

Passive from Skills
RoF 25% (New RoF 812.5)
DMG 35%
DMG 27.5%

Weapon_Damage = AmmoPowerDamage + Actual_Weapon_damage

New Actual Weapon Damage - 160.99
Ammo Power Damage - 48.30
New Weapon Damage - 209.29 + Armor Reduction 70%

Max Dmg per clip 26789.12 + Armor Reduction 70%

The atlas has almost twice that.

The Revenant should kill it in one magazine....

Factor in the Armor Reduction and try again.

Armor weakning would give bonus damage.


Armor piercing just reduces a damage penalty....

[Rokayt]

death_for_sale wrote...

I don't know of a way I can prove this other than to test on another boss that doesn't have the double shot issue. The only ones that would be big enough for all shots to land would be Ravagers or Brutes and the AP ammo will shred them just the same.

They have a third of the health. 0.0

The thing is, the Revenant is doing something it shouldn't be able to do...

The Typhoon, without using a loadout that specifically prevents bad glitchs, and exploiting a helpful glitch...... Cant do what it absolutely SHOULD be able to do.

death_for_sale wrote...

Armor piercing Ammo rank III
Armor reduction 70%
+30 %Extra dmg
Penetration distance: 1m

Warp Ammo rank III
Armor weakness 50%
35% extra dmg
75% extra dmg to liftted taget

Yes, Death.

The Armor reduction has reduced a penalty that is normally 50, to 15.

Your shots on armor are getting 15 damage taken out of the final total, instead of 50.

Say... If someone hit it with a well specced cryo blast, your shots would start doing 15 extra damage against armor, for the sake of it being armor.

Modifié par Rokayt, 26 août 2012 - 04:31 .

[Rokayt]

death_for_sale wrote...

Read the information above. Armor Piercing Ammo has an Armor Reduction of 70%, not penetration, not weakening, REDUCTION.

The Revenant is working correctly with the mods applied.

.... That is a score for reducing a penalty.

It isn't more bonus damage.

[Rokayt]

death_for_sale wrote...

You are confusing DR with Armor.

I dont see why you are assuming that the AP ammo has two armor damage bonuses...

Thats the only way a "Armor Reduction" stat would cause the gun to inflict over twice its own damage.

[kmmd60]

death_for_sale wrote...

I promoted all of my classes for this op, but once I get the Destroyer back up, I'll have to try a Brute with AP III and see if it affects the damage in any way. I know it has far less Armor and no shields, but if AP III does no extra damage to armor it should kill the Brute in a certain number of bullets. If it kills it in less, we know the AP Ammo is what is throwing the results.

Tried it after promotion. Typhoon IV with EB V, AP IV. It took about 120-130 bullets to kill a single brute.

[Rokayt]

kmmd60 wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

I promoted all of my classes for this op, but once I get the Destroyer back up, I'll have to try a Brute with AP III and see if it affects the damage in any way. I know it has far less Armor and no shields, but if AP III does no extra damage to armor it should kill the Brute in a certain number of bullets. If it kills it in less, we know the AP Ammo is what is throwing the results.

Tried it after promotion. Typhoon IV with EB V, AP IV. It took about 120-130 bullets to kill a single brute.

A different threads Testing showed that AP 4 ammo does not work on the Typhoon.

I have had enough people say "Uhh, The AP mod caused me to do reduced damage" to make me certain that..... The AP mod is broken in a way that makes it weaker
The Exception to this is the people who were using extended magazine complained "Uhh... This gun is terrible." Found some improvement when they equipped both.
And apparently there was more improvement to come when neither was equipped, and they used the healthy, working, AP III amo.

Which probably means they break the same thing....


Throw the AP IV out the Airlock.

Modifié par Rokayt, 26 août 2012 - 05:00 .

[peddroelm]

death_for_sale wrote...

but if AP III does no extra damage to armor it should kill the Brute in a certain number of bullets...

AP ammo  (all versions) add a bit of extra damage to the phoon  - 
base_damage * 1.5 * 0.5 per hot round to be precise ...

Its the 90% armor ignore that its not working which would add a lot more damage ...

Its not only the ammo IV  all versions off AP ammo suffer of the same problem on the typhoon ...

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TL-DR
AP ammo ANY version - will add abit of extra damage vs armor for each typhoon shoot ...Problem is it should add a lot more ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 26 août 2012 - 05:25 .

[Rokayt]

death_for_sale wrote...

I promoted all of my classes for this op, but once I get the Destroyer back up, I'll have to try a Brute with AP III and see if it affects the damage in any way. I know it has far less Armor and no shields, but if AP III does no extra damage to armor it should kill the Brute in a certain number of bullets. If it kills it in less, we know the AP Ammo is what is throwing the results.

AP Ammo does 30% extra damage on armor, and health.
There is no 70% boost against armor.

(However, AP ammo does reduce armors damage reduction. However, this does not push a guns damage above its original values.)

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

peddroelmz wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

but if AP III does no extra damage to armor it should kill the Brute in a certain number of bullets...

AP ammo  (all versions) add a bit of extra damage to the phoon  - 
base_damage * 1.5 * 0.5 per hot round to be precise ...

It the 90% armor ignore that its not working which would add a lot more damage ...

Its not only the ammo IV  all versions off AP ammo suffer of the same problem on the typhoon ...

==================

TL-DR
AP ammo ANY version - will add abit of extra damage vs armor for each typhoon shoot ...Problem is it should add a lot more ...

So Warp is basically the best ammo type on the Typhoon? 

[Rokayt]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

but if AP III does no extra damage to armor it should kill the Brute in a certain number of bullets...

AP ammo  (all versions) add a bit of extra damage to the phoon  - 
base_damage * 1.5 * 0.5 per hot round to be precise ...

It the 90% armor ignore that its not working which would add a lot more damage ...

Its not only the ammo IV  all versions off AP ammo suffer of the same problem on the typhoon ...

==================

TL-DR
AP ammo ANY version - will add abit of extra damage vs armor for each typhoon shoot ...Problem is it should add a lot more ...

So Warp is basically the best ammo type on the Typhoon? 

On host... Probably.

Off host, AP ammo has a glitch which will cause it to do exceptionally inflated damage on certain targets.


Basically, Using the Typhoon at all currently is a crapshoot based on memorizing every glitch associated with it.

Modifié par Rokayt, 26 août 2012 - 05:08 .

[peddroelm]

Rokayt wrote...

Off host, AP ammo has a glitch which will cause it to do exceptionally inflated damage on certain targets.

Cerberus Atlas .. Anything else ?

[Rokayt]

peddroelmz wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Off host, AP ammo has a glitch which will cause it to do exceptionally inflated damage on certain targets.

Cerberus Atlas .. Anything else ?

I have no idea.
Other then Geth Pyros (All weapons do it to them on host anyhow, however.)

Would be fun to test.


Brutes and ravagers have behavior that might be conductive to causing the double hit glitch.

Modifié par Rokayt, 26 août 2012 - 05:41 .