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[StElmo]

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Quintega wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.

We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

I would stop your multiplayer focus and actually listen to the fans. Your endings are hated by a majority of your fans. That and if Project X is false Bioware is done for It will not survive the backlash. Also to those who say that the hatred is in the minority look at ME3 new copy sales. its barely $30 now. No one wants it, every gamestore here has back stock and tons of returns.

So you have numbers and sales quotes to base this on, or "speculation for everyone"?  How about posting the links to your infallible information, instead of making a blanket statement with the tone of "it's this way because I said so".  Let's do provide some evidence, mmkay?  I know, that's asking a lot from BSN, you know, making statements with supporting evidence, not contradicting one's self, expecting a role playing game to have no head canon whatsoever, etc etc etc, but hey, it's not too late, you can be a force for change.  Actually support your claims with the numbers you used to draw your conclusions.  Don't cite one store with 50% returns when they only sold 10 copies.  That's kind of like saying a recent poll on BSN is indicative of anything more than "vast majority of the 500 people that may actually vote".  Assuming they get 500 votes.

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

Now your just being pedantic.

The success of this game will always be speculation until EA release hard weekly sales data and for gamestop to release tradein data, I would like them to release hard numbers as much as I would like BW to release information explaining the plot issues.

Pls, go away, I'm sick of your weak attempts at trying to do gotchas, it's becoming very transparent.

I'm not interested in vapid discussions with a person who contrives their whole points on gothca style, broad thinking, unpecific generalizations that have zero finesse and seek to do nothing but start some kind of race to the bottom of pedantry and message board style baiting.

Bite me.

Modifié par StElmo, 25 août 2012 - 05:57 .

[Astralify]

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

StElmo is right. If you're trying to prove your point by hiding from the facts, that's your problem...

[robertthebard]

StElmo wrote...

Now your just being pedantic.

The success of this game will always be speculation until EA release hard weekly sales data and for gamestop to release tradein data, I would like them to release hard numbers as much as I would like BW to release information explaining the plot issues.

Pls, go away, I'm sick of your weak attempts at trying to do gotchas, it's becoming very transparent.

I'm not interested in vapid discussions with a person who contrives their whole points on gothca style, broad thinking, unpecific generalizations that have zero finesse and seek to do nothing but start some kind of race to the bottom of pedantry and message board style baiting.

Bite me.

Cool, does this mean that you're actually going to let the person I initially quoted try to field the question, instead of bringing more speculation to the table?  All I did was ask for some proof, you know, the same thing you keep saying you're doing in your "why is BioWare ignoring me" threads.  It's acceptable for you to do so, but unacceptable for me to ask you to prove a statement you made?  And you said you weren't a hypocrite.

[robertthebard]

Astralify wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

StElmo is right. If you're trying to prove your point by hiding from the facts, that's your problem...

Which is why she provided a link to where she got her numbers?  Excellent, I'll just go click that now and look.  Oh, wait.  There are no links to click to substantiate the claims made.  You do know that if a company sells 2 copies of a game, and gets one return that that's 50% of their sales in returns?  You do, I would hope, also realize that that is far from conclusive proof of anything?  Of course not, this is BSN...

[Cainne Chapel]

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Quintega wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.

We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

I would stop your multiplayer focus and actually listen to the fans. Your endings are hated by a majority of your fans. That and if Project X is false Bioware is done for It will not survive the backlash. Also to those who say that the hatred is in the minority look at ME3 new copy sales. its barely $30 now. No one wants it, every gamestore here has back stock and tons of returns.

So you have numbers and sales quotes to base this on, or "speculation for everyone"?  How about posting the links to your infallible information, instead of making a blanket statement with the tone of "it's this way because I said so".  Let's do provide some evidence, mmkay?  I know, that's asking a lot from BSN, you know, making statements with supporting evidence, not contradicting one's self, expecting a role playing game to have no head canon whatsoever, etc etc etc, but hey, it's not too late, you can be a force for change.  Actually support your claims with the numbers you used to draw your conclusions.  Don't cite one store with 50% returns when they only sold 10 copies.  That's kind of like saying a recent poll on BSN is indicative of anything more than "vast majority of the 500 people that may actually vote".  Assuming they get 500 votes.

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

Also I'm sure no company posts returns etc, which is really silly to bring up in this debate.

Sure skyrim sells at $60 most places I gues (where I;m at its $50 and so is ME3 oddly enough), But how many returns did they have? I know a few people not pleased with it, how many returns do CoD have? One of the most popular and successful franchises ever! Even has quite a bit, so its all relative and unfortunately we are only GUESSING at numbers because unless we work for their bean counters we will never know.

What we DO know is ME3 has sold in line with the other 2 ME games (if not a bit more so) so i think thats a good indicator, you have to remember as much as we all like ME here, its never been a sales juggernaut (not even elder scrolls levels) so to believe that the third game would be is folly. 

[robertthebard]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

Also I'm sure no company posts returns etc, which is really silly to bring up in this debate.

Sure skyrim sells at $60 most places I gues (where I;m at its $50 and so is ME3 oddly enough), But how many returns did they have? I know a few people not pleased with it, how many returns do CoD have? One of the most popular and successful franchises ever! Even has quite a bit, so its all relative and unfortunately we are only GUESSING at numbers because unless we work for their bean counters we will never know.

What we DO know is ME3 has sold in line with the other 2 ME games (if not a bit more so) so i think thats a good indicator, you have to remember as much as we all like ME here, its never been a sales juggernaut (not even elder scrolls levels) so to believe that the third game would be is folly. 

Which was pretty much how this dialog tree got started, I asked for some numbers for a statement made by another poster.  I don't expect to get any, because there aren't any to get, but it's funny to watch people waffle on accountability when they are the ones expected to be accountable for what they say.

[Cainne Chapel]

Fact of the matter is ME appeals to a different segment of gamer than even Skyrim does (why we bother to compare two compeltely different "RPGs" is beyond me, why not compare it to Persona 4 as well... or FF, or Fable, and so on while we are at it).

Also Elder scrolls games have always sold very well, VERY well, None of the ME games have hit Elder scrolls numbers if I can recall, so why we expected ME3 too is beyond me or why we even try to compare their numbers?

Does someone on the Madden Forums compare Maddens numbers to NBA2ks? No? Different types of games you say? They're both "sports" simulations! And i KNOW sports games have a huge amount of turn over each year, yet they keep trudging on.

See what I'm getting at here? all this arguing over "Majority" feel this way and that way, is folly. The forums dont represent the majority even if we feel it does, just as good comic con press and backing from fans doesnt guarantee that a movie or IP will do well when released either.

We unfortunately do not have enough "outside" information to go on

[Astralify]

robertthebard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

StElmo is right. If you're trying to prove your point by hiding from the facts, that's your problem...

Which is why she provided a link to where she got her numbers?  Excellent, I'll just go click that now and look.  Oh, wait.  There are no links to click to substantiate the claims made.  You do know that if a company sells 2 copies of a game, and gets one return that that's 50% of their sales in returns?  You do, I would hope, also realize that that is far from conclusive proof of anything?  Of course not, this is BSN...

Link 1.  Mass Effect 3 - $39.99 NEW - Game released 5 months ago.

Link 2.  Skyrim - $59.99 NEW - Game was released almost a year ago.  


Something to say?

[PinkysPain]

Cainne Chapel wrote...
What we DO know is ME3 has sold in line with the other 2 ME games (if not a bit more so) so i think thats a good indicator, you have to remember as much as we all like ME here, its never been a sales juggernaut (not even elder scrolls levels) so to believe that the third game would be is folly. 

Really the danger of ME3's QUALITY was never about the sales of ME3 itself ... it's a bigger danger to the pre-orders for the next Bioware game. I thought DA2 was a fluke (which I fortunately saw coming a mile away) and that they would handle ME3 well ... oh how wrong I was.

I'm at the point with Bioware where I'm actually more excited by their next game if it DOES have multiplayer ...

Modifié par PinkysPain, 25 août 2012 - 06:30 .

[StElmo]

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Now your just being pedantic.

The success of this game will always be speculation until EA release hard weekly sales data and for gamestop to release tradein data, I would like them to release hard numbers as much as I would like BW to release information explaining the plot issues.

Pls, go away, I'm sick of your weak attempts at trying to do gotchas, it's becoming very transparent.

I'm not interested in vapid discussions with a person who contrives their whole points on gothca style, broad thinking, unpecific generalizations that have zero finesse and seek to do nothing but start some kind of race to the bottom of pedantry and message board style baiting.

Bite me.

Cool, does this mean that you're actually going to let the person I initially quoted try to field the question, instead of bringing more speculation to the table?  All I did was ask for some proof, you know, the same thing you keep saying you're doing in your "why is BioWare ignoring me" threads.  It's acceptable for you to do so, but unacceptable for me to ask you to prove a statement you made?  And you said you weren't a hypocrite.

As I said, bite me.

[robertthebard]

Astralify wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

StElmo is right. If you're trying to prove your point by hiding from the facts, that's your problem...

Which is why she provided a link to where she got her numbers?  Excellent, I'll just go click that now and look.  Oh, wait.  There are no links to click to substantiate the claims made.  You do know that if a company sells 2 copies of a game, and gets one return that that's 50% of their sales in returns?  You do, I would hope, also realize that that is far from conclusive proof of anything?  Of course not, this is BSN...

Link 1.  Mass Effect 3 - $39.99 NEW - Game released 5 months ago.

Link 2.  Skyrim - $59.99 NEW - Game was released almost a year ago.  


Something to say?

Where are the trade in numbers?  The returns?  You know, the stuff that was being discussed when you inserted yourself into the conversation?  Funny that I don't see those numbers reflected in your links?  I guess this is just another case of "oh ****, somebody is disagreeing with somebody that I agree with, I better hurry up and prove 'em wrong".  Hmm, upon reinspection of the link, from top to bottom, nope, no used sales listed.  They are still offering it up for sale, so they must be moving some, even if not many, based on a store by store?  So what you proved here was Skyrim is more expensive than Mass Effect 3, and this is supposed to indicate how many returns they have.  Cool, I don't see that information provided, but I'll head canon it.

Although you should really reevaluate where you shop:  http://www.amazon.co...words=skyrim pc

Modifié par robertthebard, 25 août 2012 - 06:36 .

[StElmo]

Astralify wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Well the market is always a good indicator. Skyrim is about $60 to this day. ME3 in a fraction of that time has dropped to $30 with tonnes of trade ins available at most EBgames/Gamestops.

This, at the very best, shows the game was not as successful as EA wanted. At worst, it's indicative of a fairly unpopular game.

So what you're saying here is that I have to head canon numbers, because neither you nor the poster I quoted can provide any?  Isn't that a bit odd then, that you hold BioWare to a higher standard than you hold yourself?  After all, this isn't a video game discussion, it's discussion on sales/returns of a video game, and the only way I can get any real numbers is to make them up myself.  You said tonnes, in the US, that's 4,000 pounds.  So how many copies of the game is that?  I bought mine digital, as I buy most of my games, so I can't weigh it, but basing off my NWN 2 game, that's about a pound, so according to you, every EBGames and GameStop has at least 4,000 copies for trade?

StElmo is right. If you're trying to prove your point by hiding from the facts, that's your problem...

Which is why she provided a link to where she got her numbers?  Excellent, I'll just go click that now and look.  Oh, wait.  There are no links to click to substantiate the claims made.  You do know that if a company sells 2 copies of a game, and gets one return that that's 50% of their sales in returns?  You do, I would hope, also realize that that is far from conclusive proof of anything?  Of course not, this is BSN...

Link 1.  Mass Effect 3 - $39.99 NEW - Game released 5 months ago.

Link 2.  Skyrim - $59.99 NEW - Game was released almost a year ago.  


Something to say?

Thanks !

[Eryri]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.

We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

If you don't mind me asking, does "no more "endings" DLC." also preclude an old-fashioned disc-based expansion pack?

If the rumors are true that this putative "Project X" is a large piece of content, it would make sense to be released as a physical disc, as Xbox live has a 2Gb cap for DLC, and not everyone has broadband.

[Astralify]

robertthebard wrote...

Astralify wrote...

Link 1.  Mass Effect 3 - $39.99 NEW - Game released 5 months ago.

Link 2.  Skyrim - $59.99 NEW - Game was released almost a year ago.  


Something to say?

Where are the trade in numbers?  The returns?  You know, the stuff that was being discussed when you inserted yourself into the conversation?  Funny that I don't see those numbers reflected in your links?  I guess this is just another case of "oh ****, somebody is disagreeing with somebody that I agree with, I better hurry up and prove 'em wrong".  Hmm, upon reinspection of the link, from top to bottom, nope, no used sales listed.  They are still offering it up for sale, so they must be moving some, even if not many, based on a store by store?  So what you proved here was Skyrim is more expensive than Mass Effect 3, and this is supposed to indicate how many returns they have.  Cool, I don't see that information provided, but I'll head canon it.

Sorry to break it to ya, but in the RL when there is not enought demand for a product or the product is not good, the price drop. Also in our gaming world there is something called  "used games market". Actually lots of people (myself included) have been monitoring the ME3's price since the release. And the game's price was dropping the first week of release. That was because many people were returning their copies of the game (mainly because of the bad ending) and there were too many used copies of the game, not because EA has kind heart and decided to drop the price because of the numbers they've sold day 1. The following screen is from the end of March (four weeks after release).




How old are you btw, because I have the feeling that I'm talking with a 13 year old.

[StElmo]

Eryri wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.

We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

If you don't mind me asking, does "no more "endings" DLC." also preclude an old-fashioned disc-based expansion pack?

If the rumors are true that this putative "Project X" is a large piece of content, it would make sense to be released as a physical disc, as Xbox live has a 2Gb cap for DLC, and not everyone has broadband.

WOW YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND!

[DextroDNA]

Eryri wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.

We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

If you don't mind me asking, does "no more "endings" DLC." also preclude an old-fashioned disc-based expansion pack?

If the rumors are true that this putative "Project X" is a large piece of content, it would make sense to be released as a physical disc, as Xbox live has a 2Gb cap for DLC, and not everyone has broadband.

Disc DLC? Never, ever going to happen. Ever. Those times are long gone.

Too bad if you don't have broadband, and companies try to work around Xbox's limit. It doesn't make sense to release what would probably be under a 2gb file on a disc. Stupid idea.

Also, Project X isn't real anyway, so yeah. Unless Chris is lying to us. Which I wouldn't be surprised about.

[Reptilian Rob]

Oh god the straw grasping in this thread has reached maximum overdrive.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 25 août 2012 - 07:24 .

[Astralify]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Oh god the straw grasping in this thread has reach maximum overdrive.

Five months of denial..

[Taboo]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Oh god the straw grasping in this thread has reach maximum overdrive.

[Reptilian Rob]

Astralify wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Oh god the straw grasping in this thread has reach maximum overdrive.

Five months of denial..

Can't wait for the next five!

Actually, I can. Please, no more...

[Torrible]

Comparing Skyrim and ME3 prices? I feel like I stepped into a time portal. Yea yea, now that ME3's prices have dropped globally, it has become abundantly clear that the franchise is utterly and irreversibly destroyed. You killed Mass Effect, you bastards!!

[Taboo]

Can I just post Miranda pictures to troll this thread into oblivion?

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Can I just post Miranda pictures to troll this thread into oblivion?

Wait...Wait...I have an idea see?

Lets post pictures of Miranda...Ok? But then, we like...Post pictures of Garrus and Miranda...AND THEN WE TOTALLY POST PICTURES OF GAVORN!

[Taboo]

This proves IT.

[Reptilian Rob]

Taboo-XX wrote...

This proves IT.