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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

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You're free to believe that. I'm not posting in this thread that much, it's just my opinion that no one can take them at their word 100% anymore. So sadly, their word is not enough to stop this particular rumor (completely).


It's not my "belief", or "opinion". If you believe something despire evidence to the contrary, you are delusional

Delusion: a belief held in the face of evidence to the contrary, that is resistant to all reason See also illusion, hallucination

It's that simple.


Not when the source of that evidence is not 100% credible. Although I'd like to believe Chris, but he works for Bio, who have lied before.

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

They've lied before.


Okay...

So you're just going to speculate and suppose at whatever motives/intents they have on the future, in evidence to the contrary because they've lied in the past?

I'm sure you've lied before, should nobody have reasonable expectations about you being truthful? That Bioware is directly contradicting itself isn;t a reasonable expectation, it's delusional.




Not really relevant to say that he has lied before. Game companies change their mind all the time, or hide information on purpose. We see it all the time, this shouldn't be anything new.

I would also like to note that most of their responses say that there is no additional content after the breath scene, that doesn't mean they won't change something before that scene.
They've also gone on record saying that if there is good interest SP DLC they can always make more. Which could imply that they will make new content that they currently have no plans for. And who knows, maybe if we demand it enough they will make it.

I'd prefer it to keep my hope, however blind it may be, until Q1 of next year is over.

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THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...


Not when the source of that evidence is not 100% credible. Although I'd like to believe Chris, but he works for Bio, who have lied before.


Bioware as in Mac & Casey (technically gamble too)

Just because someone works at bioware does not mean that everything they say is a lie. :)

Chris as stated the endings are the endings - nothing else is coming. He stated this twice

Tully Ackland has stated the endings are the endings - during the 'I want a reunion' fuss post EC

Jess Merizan has stated the endings are the endings and there is no future content.

She even stated that if your version of IT requires future content to be added on at the end then you are going be disappointed.

Was the ending THAT bad that you - and others - will cling to any hope (at all) that there is something else around the corner? I mean - I didn't really think it was the ending Mass Effect deserved and was a bit anticlimactic. But as its own story ME3 was OK - a bit of a let down at the end but it was still ok.

Why cling to something with this much vigor? Why would anyone?

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kyban wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

They've lied before.


Okay...

So you're just going to speculate and suppose at whatever motives/intents they have on the future, in evidence to the contrary because they've lied in the past?

I'm sure you've lied before, should nobody have reasonable expectations about you being truthful? That Bioware is directly contradicting itself isn;t a reasonable expectation, it's delusional.




Not really relevant to say that he has lied before. Game companies change their mind all the time, or hide information on purpose. We see it all the time, this shouldn't be anything new.

I would also like to note that most of their responses say that there is no additional content after the breath scene, that doesn't mean they won't change something before that scene.
They've also gone on record saying that if there is good interest SP DLC they can always make more. Which could imply that they will make new content that they currently have no plans for. And who knows, maybe if we demand it enough they will make it.

I'd prefer it to keep my hope, however blind it may be, until Q1 of next year is over.



AMEN.

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It's really ridiculous that Bioware continues with this "IT is a valid interperetation" stance. If IT is a valid way to look at the game, one can just as easily say we did not get an ending and did not get a complete game as they can we got a game with a terrible ending.

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plfranke wrote...

It's really ridiculous that Bioware continues with this "IT is a valid interperetation" stance. If IT is a valid way to look at the game, one can just as easily say we did not get an ending and did not get a complete game as they can we got a game with a terrible ending.


Well.. in IT Con it can be seen as a valid interpretation of the ending.

IT Dream is more fan fiction - clevernoob admits it. He believes that using the IT Dream - bioware can radically fix the ending and save Mass Effect 3.

But yeah. Lots of Headcanons for everyone.

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So to sum up. Clevernoob, a hardcore ITer desperate for IT DLC gets an information from another hardcore ITer who claims to have sources at Bioware that there's an IT DLC coming.

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This... Clevernoob has some fair points in his arsenal, but after the first half hour he start to sound only like "This is what it is, because I say so..."

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

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Regardless out what comes out of who's mouth, time is the real answer. In time we will see what's true. Give it till March. After that, ME3 should be completed.


No... When somebody who's job it is to bridge communications between the audience and developers comes out and flat out says "No Project X". Then it's reasonable to conclude that no ending DLC is forthcoming.

You're deluding youself if you think otherwise. It's that simple.

Even if come March, this DLC is released you would have still been acting unreasonably.


No, acting unreasonably would be believing what was said 100% when that someone has been known to lie on behalf of the company in the past.  I'm not saying that person is now, or that they'd even have any reason to lie.  But the fact remains that if someone (who you do not know on any kind of personal level and have zero reason to trust) has been dishonest before and you don't keep even the slightest bit of doubt in your mind as to what they're saying, then it is you who is being unreasonable.

Time is the only factor that will root out the truth.  The level of trust you decide to apply will not affect the outcome either way.

And for the record, I am personally not expecting any post ending DLC.  I think that Bioware has no intention of it.

Modifié par Fat Head, 03 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .


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I think that if this Project X is really exists than it's nothing more than Director's Cut. It will add all content that was meant to be in game according to leaked script. And it will be enough for me.

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there is no way in hell this is true.

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I'm actually more interested in how there will be more games in the same galaxy taking place after the events of ME3. I'm sure they could do a prequel or something but I'd think it's more likely to take place after, in which case I'd have to wonder how they'd do it without giving away which ending actually happened. Unless of course they're not done with Shepard's story...even though they said ME3 was it (dlc pending...).

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Fat Head wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Regardless out what comes out of who's mouth, time is the real answer. In time we will see what's true. Give it till March. After that, ME3 should be completed.


No... When somebody who's job it is to bridge communications between the audience and developers comes out and flat out says "No Project X". Then it's reasonable to conclude that no ending DLC is forthcoming.

You're deluding youself if you think otherwise. It's that simple.

Even if come March, this DLC is released you would have still been acting unreasonably.


No, acting unreasonably would be believing what was said 100% when that someone has been known to lie on behalf of the company in the past.  I'm not saying that person is now, or that they'd even have any reason to lie.  But the fact remains that if someone (who you do not know on any kind of personal level and have zero reason to trust) has been dishonest before and you don't keep even the slightest bit of doubt in your mind as to what they're saying, then it is you who is being unreasonable.

Time is the only factor that will root out the truth.  The level of trust you decide to apply will not affect the outcome either way.

And for the record, I am personally not expecting any post ending DLC.  I think that Bioware has no intention of it.


And yet another straw man. I never said you need to take on faith 100% of what Bioware says. I said it's unreasonable to believe something in evidence to the contrary(i.e - delusional).

Several employees have confirmed that no post-ending DLC will be released.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

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And yes, giving the player the power to choose between being indoctrinated or not is actually a big choice.

No it isn't. That's not a choice. Nobody wants to be indoctrinated. Nobody wants their Shepard to fail. So allowing the player to choose whether Shepard is indoctrinated and fails, or whether Shepard isn't indoctrinated and wins, is not a real choice.

The same as with the ME2 ending, where the Shepard Dies ending is not really a choice anyone would make, unless they're just fooling around and want to see the Shepard Dies ending. That's why it's so incredibly hard in ME2 to get the Shepard Dies ending. It is much easier to get the Everyone Survives ending. It is in fact super easy. 

All the decisions in the suicide missions were so blatantly obvious that you had to deliberatly make the wrong decision. No single Mass Effect player would make the wrong decisions by accident.


With ME3, this is not so obvious. All 3 original endings appear the be equally valid if you don't believe in the IT. In fact, Synthesis appears to be the "best" ending, as it is also the hardest ending to achieve (Synthesis needs the highest amount of EMS before it gets unlocked).

After the EC, I was incredibly happy with the result of the Control ending. I liked the Control epilogue, I enjoyed Shepard's speech and I was actually happy. If Bioware would now tell me that my Control ending is a lie and everything I saw never really happened, I would be totally, completely and horrible pissed off, I can tell you that. How would you feel if BioWare told you that your favorite decision is a lie and that you just failed?


Actually, I would scream "BRILLIANT! They actually managed to fool me!" (in fact, I screamed that when I read the IT for the first time).

In fact, what is wrong in fooling the players and "messing" with their feelings? Really, I see nothing wrong in that AS THIS IS A ROLE PLAYING GAME. You're supposed to be immersed in the story (and universe), you're supposed to think like Shepard would think and feel what Shepard would feel by making those choices. 

In that context, I think the "ultimate challenge" for every studio out there that makes RPGs is actually metagaming and Bioware would accomplish that IF (and that's a BIG if) the IT-con is true. 

Anyway, I still support IT-con and the puzzle theory, as both of them kind of complement each other... you know...reapers trying to make you pick the wrong choice and lacking context to make that decision (context that would be added through pre-ending DLC, like they did with Leviathan)...

Modifié par CyberMiguel, 04 septembre 2012 - 04:07 .


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In any and all events Bioware has stated that there will be no more future post-breath DLC for mass effect 3. We can clamor and moan but it wont happen.

The most we can expect is mid-game dlc to expand on the story.

Face it.

The reaper mythos was wrecked, the mass effect universe was upturned, and the game was as anit-climactic as Rage, Fable II, some M Night shamalonga ding dong ending.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...
The Shepard breathing scene is obviously on the Citadel. In the breath scene rubble you see black cables and wires that look exactly the same as the black cables/wires that are attached to the Control and Destroy devices. These black cables aren't seen anywhere else and most certainly not on Earth right before the beam. Therefor the breathing scene is obviously on the Citadel and thus the IT dream is not true (though the IT con could be true, although that too is unlikely).


Actually, shep seems to be buried under concrete, and the citadel apparently is made of metal. Either way, it's not important. People say IT requires a post ending DLC to confirm and that's not true, it actually doesn't need anything more than a confirmation; you could have mid-game dlc confirming that it's possible, then we get exactly the same ending and just when we see the breathing scene, we get credits. It would be in the same line of Halo 2's ending, when we go "alright, now we get the final ba-" BIG MIDDLE FINGER/CREDITS ROLL.

Confirmation may never come (IT just isn't happening, get over it), but neither will IT be straight out denied. Just to stay on everybody's radar, they'll drag this thing out as long as they can. I myself didn't mind the endings in that they all went from sour to flat out depressing; I actually enjoy those evangelion-ish type of ending from time to time where all goes to hell even if you "win". What I didn't like in the slightlest was the lack of closure, which was adressed in the EC but not to the degree I would have liked (the whole war assets thing not making a difference beyond statistics was lame). I actually enjoyed the game a lot, as I did with the previous ones, and I understand that making every single decision play out in the ending was practically impossible (although they shouldn't have lifted our hopes about it either).

What actually worries me about this is what will happen to the lore of ME. If the original trilogy doesn't affect the future titles (directly, with a save file), the whole choices mechanic of the game goes flying out the freaking window (although it already did in a way), unless they give us a choice right in the begining of the game (what happened on the crucible?) but that's unlikely.

Ahh... one last thing. EC comes out and they couldn't make the shep plate on the normandy customizable? I just wanted to read "Judith Shepard" on the memorial, as anybody else surely wanted to see their chars complete name too I'm sure. Couldn't you patch that guys?

Let IT go guys. I was a big fan too, prayed for it to be true but it wasn't meant to be. Just move on. And if one day it turns to be confirmed, you can be happy about it, but on the mean time just don't smash you're heads trying to catch bigfoot's unicorn. At this point, I'm more interested on getting to watch the Blasto 6 movie or the Elcor rendition of Hamlet.

Modifié par Zagardal, 04 septembre 2012 - 06:06 .


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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

They've lied before.


Okay...

So you're just going to speculate and suppose at whatever motives/intents they have on the future, in evidence to the contrary because they've lied in the past?

I'm sure you've lied before, should nobody have reasonable expectations about you being truthful? That Bioware is directly contradicting itself isn;t a reasonable expectation, it's delusional.




Not syaing I believe one way or the other, but I think they have a 100% lie rate when it comes to leaked material.

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plfranke wrote...

It's really ridiculous that Bioware continues with this "IT is a valid interperetation" stance. If IT is a valid way to look at the game, one can just as easily say we did not get an ending and did not get a complete game as they can we got a game with a terrible ending.


The ending is terrible and nonsensical if you think Control, Synthesis and Refuse can possible be a rational choice of a non-indoctrinated Shepard.

Control

Kid: Hey, how about you kill yourself by disintegrating on that there reaper device because interacting with reaper devices always turns out good. We made the device to strip us of our free will and make you our leader. I wouldn't like it if you did that... *cough* that's why I had it built in the first place. Because we DON'T want you to use it.

Shepard: Derp! Sure!!! I just got finished telling TIM it wasn't worth risking all of humanity for, nt to mention the whole game opposing it. But now - five minutes later - I'm totally for it based solely on your say so, Mr. reaper king and I'm willing to kill myself, leaving no one else to save the day if you - the freaking reapers - are deceiving me. I'll ignore the fact that you've pushed this option on your indoctrinated minions every cycle. But I'm special and immune to indoctrination!! DERP!!!

Synthesis

Kid: I finally found a soultion to my galactic social studies assignment. You kill yourself by jumping into a beam and then everyone will have reaper .. I mean totally-not-reaper synthetic tech put in them. And the entire galaxy totally won't be pretty husks or indoctrinated in any way. Pinky swear.

Shepard: Derp!! Sure thing!!! But why didn't you do it yourself?

Kid: It can't be forced... Now please jump into that beam and force it on everyone.

Shepard: Derp!! OK. I eagerly kill myself to advance your objective, Reaper Commander. I'm totally NOT indoctrinated. DERP!!!

Refusal

Shepard: I know we cannot defeat you conventionally, but I'm goona die free and stuff.

Kid: What are you talking about? You're freedom isn't at stack. You life is.

Shepard: I die knowing I did everything to stop you.

The Kid looks over at "tubes" that, if destroyed,  would allow the Crucible to fire. Thus killing it, the reapers and end their solution, effectively making it the worst outcome from the Reapers' perspective. The only option that does no compromise with the Reapers.

Kid: Everything, huh?  ...So, um, you know everyone you know and love will die right?

Shepard: Yeah, so? And I'm not indctrinated if that's what you're thinking. I just sudden got really really really stupid.

Harbinger: *grin* (Guess I don't have to keep up the charade anymore). SO BE IT!!!

Destroy

Shepard: I'm gonna shoot that pipe because our 10 minute chat doesn't negate 3 years of dealing with you guys. Nice try though.  If shooting this doesn't work I'll still be alive to call EDI and have the Normandy scan this crap and figure out what needs to be done.

Kid: But my options are all sunshine and butterflies!!! You're not supposed to actually choose to kill us. Think of the collateral. Didn't I make you think we were just mindless machines with my opening speech? Don't you see us as victims? Ah, damn, you are strong willed.

Shepard: Interact with reaper device or blow it up... not a hard choice.

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The ending isn't nonsensical, it's just goddamn depressing.

Refusal is just being too stubborn to accept the fact that what they did wasn't enough, even if they clearly stated that they couldn't win in a conventional confrontation waaaay beforehand.

Destroy is going for the original purpose we had, but sacrificing the geth in the process. If you went renegade and didn't give a crap about them to begin with, it shouldn't be a problem. If you went paragon, this clearly should be too steep a price to pay. While refusal is all about rejecting the next stage in evolution, this is supposed to be the less extreme refusal choice. It says "we don't believe in your logic, but by choosing this we don't have a back up argument either". The whole idea of sentient synthetical intelligence being as important as organic intelligence is supposed to stop you from doing this, which would be the racist choice. Geth holocaust, plain and simple.

Control is thinking you have the will to command the reapers, which is a gamble considering that by merging with them, you might eventually assume their logic too and finish what they started. It could be millions of years later, but it could happen anyway. You save every species, but in the really really really long term something could change. It's the "paragon" choice, but for Shepard, not for the overall scheme; you might save everything you know, but that's ultimatelly just a grain of sand.

Synthesis makes you "one with the galaxy". Supposedly, it doesn't make you a reaper, a being with a great degree of conciousness but in the end still under the control of a higher form of intelligence. You could actually argue that we are the same in some way, bound to instinct and basic human logic: we are never told that the reapers are aware of starchild, they're just aware of what they must do in order to survive. Synthesis should preserve life as a whole, and while individuality suffers (but does not disappear entirely as we see in the EC), it merges everybody into a new plural entity. It's basically what every religious utopia offers to us, but because we also merge with "robots", part of which are the same that apparently brought all of this upon the unsuspecting masses, most people think it's too much even if it might be the better outcome; if jesus/budha/yoda/norris came to tell us he's going to save us all but not the way you though he would, a lot of people would be pissed. I see synthesis more as an organic-synthetic hybrid geth consensus than a reaper-like overtaking. It still kinda sucks that we can't get a ambiguous disney ending (we won the way we like/millions of years from now we're still screwed), or at least closer than what the destroy ending offers, but that would contradict a lot of what happens at the end. In a way, if synthesis was introduced as a possibility way before during the franchise (like a Saren 2.0), it wouldn't have felt so rape-like.

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*awesome post*


+1. I was thinking the same thing during the ending, but not nearly this funny.  :lol:

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The Twilight God wrote...

plfranke wrote...

It's really ridiculous that Bioware continues with this "IT is a valid interperetation" stance. If IT is a valid way to look at the game, one can just as easily say we did not get an ending and did not get a complete game as they can we got a game with a terrible ending.


The ending is terrible and nonsensical if you think Control, Synthesis and Refuse can possible be a rational choice of a non-indoctrinated Shepard.

Control

Kid: Hey, how about you kill yourself by disintegrating on that there reaper device because interacting with reaper devices always turns out good. We made the device to strip us of our free will and make you our leader. I wouldn't like it if you did that... *cough* that's why I had it built in the first place. Because we DON'T want you to use it.

Shepard: Derp! Sure!!! I just got finished telling TIM it wasn't worth risking all of humanity for, nt to mention the whole game opposing it. But now - five minutes later - I'm totally for it based solely on your say so, Mr. reaper king and I'm willing to kill myself, leaving no one else to save the day if you - the freaking reapers - are deceiving me. I'll ignore the fact that you've pushed this option on your indoctrinated minions every cycle. But I'm special and immune to indoctrination!! DERP!!!

Synthesis

Kid: I finally found a soultion to my galactic social studies assignment. You kill yourself by jumping into a beam and then everyone will have reaper .. I mean totally-not-reaper synthetic tech put in them. And the entire galaxy totally won't be pretty husks or indoctrinated in any way. Pinky swear.

Shepard: Derp!! Sure thing!!! But why didn't you do it yourself?

Kid: It can't be forced... Now please jump into that beam and force it on everyone.

Shepard: Derp!! OK. I eagerly kill myself to advance your objective, Reaper Commander. I'm totally NOT indoctrinated. DERP!!!

Refusal

Shepard: I know we cannot defeat you conventionally, but I'm goona die free and stuff.

Kid: What are you talking about? You're freedom isn't at stack. You life is.

Shepard: I die knowing I did everything to stop you.

The Kid looks over at "tubes" that, if destroyed,  would allow the Crucible to fire. Thus killing it, the reapers and end their solution, effectively making it the worst outcome from the Reapers' perspective. The only option that does no compromise with the Reapers.

Kid: Everything, huh?  ...So, um, you know everyone you know and love will die right?

Shepard: Yeah, so? And I'm not indctrinated if that's what you're thinking. I just sudden got really really really stupid.

Harbinger: *grin* (Guess I don't have to keep up the charade anymore). SO BE IT!!!

Destroy

Shepard: I'm gonna shoot that pipe because our 10 minute chat doesn't negate 3 years of dealing with you guys. Nice try though.  If shooting this doesn't work I'll still be alive to call EDI and have the Normandy scan this crap and figure out what needs to be done.

Kid: But my options are all sunshine and butterflies!!! You're not supposed to actually choose to kill us. Think of the collateral. Didn't I make you think we were just mindless machines with my opening speech? Don't you see us as victims? Ah, damn, you are strong willed.

Shepard: Interact with reaper device or blow it up... not a hard choice.

I agree with you. My point was more along the lines of, either say it's true, or say it's not. However, saying, "It's a valid interperetation but we're not making any dlc for it" sounds to me like they're just milking the fans who see something cryptic in that. They're tarnishing Shepard's story.

Also @ Ithurael
The reason why so many will not take Chris' words for truth is Bioware has simply lied too many times. Chris himself denied a leak about multiplayer that was revealed by Bioware like a week or two later. If he was willing to lie about that, of course he's going to lie about this.

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Ending = final ending.

Get over it, ME is a franchise that has been drunk driving. It crashed under the bridge and ran over some hobos. Move on.

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Actually, shep seems to be buried under concrete, and the citadel apparently is made of metal.


The Citadel also has concrete, it's not just 100% metal. Take a closer look the next time you walk through the Citadel.


Either way, it's not important. People say IT requires a post ending DLC to confirm and that's not true, it actually doesn't need anything more than a confirmation; you could have mid-game dlc confirming that it's possible, then we get exactly the same ending and just when we see the breathing scene, we get credits. It would be in the same line of Halo 2's ending, when we go "alright, now we get the final ba-" BIG MIDDLE FINGER/CREDITS ROLL.


No, the IT requires a post ending DLC, else Mass Effect wouldn't have an ending.

If BioWare would confirm that the IT is true, it means the current endings aren't real endings. That means ME3 would need a new, real ending. If BioWare would confirm the IT but not give us this real ending, they would leave us without an ending, or at least without a real ending.

A game without an ending is incomplete, it has the most crucial part of the story missing: the ending. I would totally go into nerd rage mode if it turns out we bought an incomplete game without the real ending.


Ahh... one last thing. EC comes out and they couldn't make the shep plate on the normandy customizable? I just wanted to read "Judith Shepard" on the memorial, as anybody else surely wanted to see their chars complete name too I'm sure. Couldn't you patch that guys?


It would require a lot of extra programming to do that and we all know that BioWare rather takes the easy way out, especially for free stuff that they hadn't planned (the Extended Cut).

So yeah, BioWare could have made the name plate on the Normandy a variable that shows the first name of your Shepard, but they didn't because they're lazy and/or took the easy way out. This shouldn't be surprising by now.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

No, the IT requires a post ending DLC, else Mass Effect wouldn't have an ending.

If BioWare would confirm that the IT is true, it means the current endings aren't real endings. That means ME3 would need a new, real ending. If BioWare would confirm the IT but not give us this real ending, they would leave us without an ending, or at least without a real ending.

A game without an ending is incomplete, it has the most crucial part of the story missing: the ending. I would totally go into nerd rage mode if it turns out we bought an incomplete game without the real ending.


Endings don't require to be definitive, specially if they plan to make sequels further down the road. If the trilogy is Shep's story and IT is considered, you don't need to extend the ending. If he/she died after the indoctrination "trial", the rest of the fight becomes someone else's story. Hell, it could even become a myth if no one knows what really happened and be the entire focus of ME4: finding out what really happened up there decades, centuries or even a millenia ago. Deconstructing myths is actually an important part of the ME universe already, so that wouldn't be a bad way to tell the story. Of course, that's not gonna happen as IT is just wishful thinking, but you get the point. People seem to think that because they don't explain absolutely everything by the end, the product is incomplete. And in a way, it is, but that's the strategy to justify sequels, prequels, interquels, spinoffs, or if it's so contrived that they backed themselvs into a corner, reboots, remakes, rehashings or "reimaginings" (to make it sound like money isn't a motivation and it's all about the artistic integrity).

And the ending isn't always the most crucial part of the story, it depends on how you're telling it and what's your goal.

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The reason why so many will not take Chris' words for truth is Bioware has simply lied too many times. Chris himself denied a leak about multiplayer that was revealed by Bioware like a week or two later. If he was willing to lie about that, of course he's going to lie about this.


Ok,

So we have Chris cited as a liar for denying MP content - not SP content. Also, Did he deny that once or many times. Because Chris has denied the possibility of post ending DLC many times now.

Also, Tully Ackland and Jessican Merizan have also denied the existance of any post ending DLC. Just because someone works at bioware does not make them an instant liar.

IT Is a valid interpretation of the ending. As that is how the fans think the game played out. However, IT - Dream - is NOT a possibility for the ending as BW will not move in that direction.

Clevernoob even stated that IT Dream is fanfic. He wanted to show how using it could clear up the many plotholes in the Ending.

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Have to say, I like this idea.

Even if it's a wild rumor, the idea of it is more intriguing than taking back Omega, or anything else that's been rumored for DLC.