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[Tazzmission]

im suprised no one data mined the pc version of leviathan yet..................

[Reyouka]

They did actually. There's references to an Omega DLC (No surprise), and something on the Citadel.

[Kiara]

I like clevernoobs video's don't get me wrong but since the EC came out IT just doesn't have the weight it used to anymore, plus Chris Priestly him self said nothing more will be done to the ending, at least nothing significant .I really don't know about this... Project X thing to good to be true really and just grasping at straws..

[The Twilight God]

Kiara wrote...

I like clevernoobs video's don't get me wrong but since the EC came out IT just doesn't have the weight it used to anymore, plus Chris Priestly him self said nothing more will be done to the ending, at least nothing significant .I really don't know about this... Project X thing to good to be true really and just grasping at straws..

Why assume it's DLC for Dream IT vs an expansion pack? The plausible IT theories don't require DLC to legitimize them.

[Tazzmission]

Reyouka wrote...

They did actually. There's references to an Omega DLC (No surprise), and something on the Citadel.

so that was it? i know i saw the image posted but there wasnt anything else?

[Ithurael]

The Twilight God wrote...

Kiara wrote...

I like clevernoobs video's don't get me wrong but since the EC came out IT just doesn't have the weight it used to anymore, plus Chris Priestly him self said nothing more will be done to the ending, at least nothing significant .I really don't know about this... Project X thing to good to be true really and just grasping at straws..

Why assume it's DLC for Dream IT vs an expansion pack? The plausible IT theories don't require DLC to legitimize them.

Yeah, but TTG, not everyone beleives in the IT Con. I would say that the IT Dream theory is still the most popular of the IT arena as it gives hope that there will be more content after RGB and doesn't end with RGB. IT Dream offers hope for a better ending.

Personally, I think the IT Dream theory is just fan fic but if someone wants to interpret the ending this way they can. They should just not expect anything down the road or ME4 to expand on this.

[ta_scott]

I'm just keeping an open mind on this. I'll be neither sceptical nor optimistic. BioWare hasn't done much to please the fan base so far except their own want for money (I know some of the DLC's were free, but they're not any more). Shame.

[Pheonix57]

I am trying so hard to control my excitement, just in case this doesn't happen, I don't want to be disappointed again.

[garrusfan1]

Has this been proved or something

[ghost9191]

not yet, but in good time. with Pheonix though, gotta keep my hopes down as to not be crushed again

[garrusfan1]

ghost9191 wrote...

not yet, but in good time. with Pheonix though, gotta keep my hopes down as to not be crushed again

You think it will. I agree about not getting my hopes up now. All I want is my reunion

[The Twilight God]

Ithurael wrote...

Yeah, but TTG, not everyone beleives in the IT Con. I would say that the IT Dream theory is still the most popular of the IT arena as it gives hope that there will be more content after RGB and doesn't end with RGB. IT Dream offers hope for a better ending.

Personally, I think the IT Dream theory is just fan fic but if someone wants to interpret the ending this way they can. They should just not expect anything down the road or ME4 to expand on this.

What do peoples' beliefs have to do with what Bioware has planned, assuming they have anything planned. IT dream dictates that the ending didn't take place. It's just a big handwave that people who cannot accept reality have created because they cannot accept that there are no happy endings. It is very much like mainstream religions. No proof and circular logic. Man fears death. Man invents Heaven. Man fears hates ME endings, Man invents Dream Theory. As you say yourself, it's just a bunch of blind hope.

But the point isn't about about IT-con, IT-waking dream/hallucination or whatever being the focus of the DLC. Neither of these require anything extra to validate them as they fit the narrative and established lore. What I'm asking is why assume it has anything to do with dream theory? All for a handful of people. I doubt anyone is going to buy it if all it does is trivialize the ending for the sake of a small minority who hated the EC.

Do you really think they would basically say ME3 was released incomplete now pay us $30 for this expansion to get the real ending? Come on now. I can see an expansion that shows how the Reapers took the Citadel and what was going on inside. Maybe make it the final level with Anderson and Wrex/Kirrahe/Aeythta as squadmates.I can even see changing how the endings play out (but still leaving them fundamentally the same) and adding to the ending (reunions scenes, more ME2 LI content, etc.), but I cannot see them handwaving their own game because of a few "religious fanatics".

[Jebel Krong]

guess everyone in this thread missed the simple fact that the default end-state for dlc to plugin is before cronos, given the way the engine handles dlc and the hooks that have to be embedded and given that save place it is pretty much impossible that post-ending dlc will come out.

[Ithurael]

The Twilight God wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Yeah, but TTG, not everyone beleives in the IT Con. I would say that the IT Dream theory is still the most popular of the IT arena as it gives hope that there will be more content after RGB and doesn't end with RGB. IT Dream offers hope for a better ending.

Personally, I think the IT Dream theory is just fan fic but if someone wants to interpret the ending this way they can. They should just not expect anything down the road or ME4 to expand on this.

What do peoples' beliefs have to do with what Bioware has planned, assuming they have anything planned. IT dream dictates that the ending didn't take place. It's just a big handwave that people who cannot accept reality have created because they cannot accept that there are no happy endings. It is very much like mainstream religions. No proof and circular logic. Man fears death. Man invents Heaven. Man fears hates ME endings, Man invents Dream Theory. As you say yourself, it's just a bunch of blind hope.

But the point isn't about about IT-con, IT-waking dream/hallucination or whatever being the focus of the DLC. Neither of these require anything extra to validate them as they fit the narrative and established lore. What I'm asking is why assume it has anything to do with dream theory? All for a handful of people. I doubt anyone is going to buy it if all it does is trivialize the ending for the sake of a small minority who hated the EC.

Do you really think they would basically say ME3 was released incomplete now pay us $30 for this expansion to get the real ending? Come on now. I can see an expansion that shows how the Reapers took the Citadel and what was going on inside. Maybe make it the final level with Anderson and Wrex/Kirrahe/Aeythta as squadmates.I can even see changing how the endings play out (but still leaving them fundamentally the same) and adding to the ending (reunions scenes, more ME2 LI content, etc.), but I cannot see them handwaving their own game because of a few "religious fanatics".

I agree with everything you said. My comment was aimed at the fact that there are people who still believe the entire ending didn't happen.

Bioware confirmed that there is no more content planned. They also stated that the IT Dream theory is not their intention as the EC is the ending - nothing after the breath scene. The end is the end.

To sum it up, you can think of the death nail being this question:

Does your version of IT require more content to be added to the ending?
a- Yes
b- No

If you chose a, then this version/interpretaion of IT is not the intent of bioware and they do not plan to add more content to the endings, expand on the endings, subtract from the endings or continue shepard's journey in ME4. Sorry.

If you chose b, then ok. No real issue.
---End---

Also, a reunion DLC? Do you really think they will do that? Personally i would love it, but the reunion would only be passable for Destroy choice wouldn't it?:wizard:

[GeoGirl2008]

I would love for this rumor to be true.

[Zagardal]

Reyouka wrote...

I'm horribly tempted to believe this, just because info on the MP DLC was leaked from an inside source. Then again, it's all wait and see. If Bioware does fix things, then I'll buy all their DLC's, but not before then. I haven't bought Leviathan, nor will I if things don't change.

It was leaked directly, not through the friend's sister's mother best friend's dog like in this case. I would like to believe it, and BW denying it instead of just ignoring it could be an indication of truth behind the whole matter. Anyway, at this point for me IT is mental masturbation, which can be a lot of fun, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Zagardal]

The Twilight God wrote...

Kiara wrote...

I like clevernoobs video's don't get me wrong but since the EC came out IT just doesn't have the weight it used to anymore, plus Chris Priestly him self said nothing more will be done to the ending, at least nothing significant .I really don't know about this... Project X thing to good to be true really and just grasping at straws..

Why assume it's DLC for Dream IT vs an expansion pack? The plausible IT theories don't require DLC to legitimize them.

That's what a loooooot of people don't seem to get.

[The Twilight God]

Ithurael wrote...

Also, a reunion DLC? Do you really think they will do that? Personally i would love it, but the reunion would only be passable for Destroy choice wouldn't it?:wizard:

So?
You pick an indoctrinated ending you die a failure.  If they modified the endings so that control and synthesis could be on our terms then they could had a actual funeral. One of those big ones broacasted all over the galaxy. so you'd see people on Thessia, Tuchancka, Palaven, etc. watching it on jumbotrons. Wrex, Garrus, EDI, etc. as paul bearers. Differen characters would come by and say final words to Shepard, etc.

I get a feeling they will be admitting the meaning behind the endings at some point. If I was a writter and had any respect for my craft, my work and myself I wouldn't let idiots tell me I'm a bad writter because they choose to accept clearly indoctrinated endings as non-indoctrinated. In the end the egg will be on the haters' faces.

[Ithurael]

The Twilight God wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Also, a reunion DLC? Do you really think they will do that? Personally i would love it, but the reunion would only be passable for Destroy choice wouldn't it?:wizard:

So?
You pick an indoctrinated ending you die a failure.  If they modified the endings so that control and synthesis could be on our terms then they could had a actual funeral. One of those big ones broacasted all over the galaxy. so you'd see people on Thessia, Tuchancka, Palaven, etc. watching it on jumbotrons. Wrex, Garrus, EDI, etc. as paul bearers. Differen characters would come by and say final words to Shepard, etc.

I get a feeling they will be admitting the meaning behind the endings at some point. If I was a writter and had any respect for my craft, my work and myself I wouldn't let idiots tell me I'm a bad writter because they choose to accept clearly indoctrinated endings as non-indoctrinated. In the end the egg will be on the haters' faces.

Wow dude, I sense some hate in that post.

Personally, I severly doubt that bioware would end Mass Effect with only one ending. It seems out of place for the series. ME was supposed to be about role playing and choices mattering. Assuming any form of IT is true, then anyone who picks control or synthesis is immediatly invalidated and - essentially - scolded. This game is suppose to be the big finale with endings that vary in wildly different conclusions. RGB do, actually accomplish that.

I still shoot the tube because it is the only ending that resonates thematically. My headcanon states that the destroy energy will destroy all reaper tech - thus why the geth and edi die. But there are other people out there that have just as much passion for their endings (blue or green) as I do. Hell even bioware employees have chosen synthesis or control. And also, I will say that there was some bad writing in ME3 (crucible, good guy harbinger, kai leng) but I still shot the tube regardless - does that make me an idiot?

IT Con is plausible as an interpretation. As canon...I..don't know. Not my cup of tea though. I do love the detail that you went into. It is very admirable

Also, I like your idea on a reunion post control/synthesis with a funeral. That would be niceB)

[Pheonix57]

I'm definitely keeping an eye on this.

[Ithurael]

Pheonix57 wrote...

I'm definitely keeping an eye on this.

You realized that Chris has denied this twice now

Jessica Merizan even denied future post breath/ending DLC

She also denied any hope that if your IT requires future content that is not the interpretation Bioware will take. And no shepard in ME4.


Proof/evidence:
social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/355/index/13817665&lf=8

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13492198/19#13503201

And now merizan
twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/240646722563485696

Modifié par Ithurael, 07 septembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[Thaa_solon]

Ithurael wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

I'm definitely keeping an eye on this.

You realized that Chris has denied this twice now

Jessica Merizan even denied future post breath/ending DLC

She also denied any hope that if your IT requires future content that is not the interpretation Bioware will take. And no shepard in ME4.

Yes but it seems BW lies about alot of things these days...

[Ithurael]

Thaa_solon wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

You realized that Chris has denied this twice now

Jessica Merizan even denied future post breath/ending DLC

She also denied any hope that if your IT requires future content that is not the interpretation Bioware will take. And no shepard in ME4.

Yes but it seems BW lies about alot of things these days...

Ah...yes...that retort.

The one thing I love is that die-hard IT believers nitpick the game dry searching for proof even using wild interpretaion and headcanon for some of it, then when the developer says that there is nothing coming post breath they say - "Nope, they are lying"

Come on man!

Besides, working at bioware does not immediatly make you a liar. ME3 ends with EC - end of line. If your - or anyone's - version of IT needs something to take place post breath scene, that version of IT is not the intent of bioware.

Looking at merizan's and priestly's comments seem pretty absolute. Whereas some of the other "lies" were a bit subjective and open enough to interpretation.

Look at Casey's lie about not A,B,C ending. Technically, he was right. There was A-1,A-2,A3, B-1,B-2,and C

[Thaa_solon]

Ithurael wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

You realized that Chris has denied this twice now

Jessica Merizan even denied future post breath/ending DLC

She also denied any hope that if your IT requires future content that is not the interpretation Bioware will take. And no shepard in ME4.

Yes but it seems BW lies about alot of things these days...

Ah...yes...that retort.

The one thing I love is that die-hard IT believers nitpick the game dry searching for proof even using wild interpretaion and headcanon for some of it, then when the developer says that there is nothing coming post breath they say - "Nope, they are lying"

Come on man!

Besides, working at bioware does not immediatly make you a liar. ME3 ends with EC - end of line. If your - or anyone's - version of IT needs something to take place post breath scene, that version of IT is not the intent of bioware.

Looking at merizan's and priestly's comments seem pretty absolute. Whereas some of the other "lies" were a bit subjective and open enough to interpretation.

Look at Casey's lie about not A,B,C ending. Technically, he was right. There was A-1,A-2,A3, B-1,B-2,and C

Gooby plz

They lied about the everything since they joined EA, guess that mean they learn from the best in the buisness/art of lying.

[Eryri]

Ithurael wrote...

Assuming any form of IT is true, then anyone who picks control or synthesis is immediatly invalidated and - essentially - scolded. This game is suppose to be the big finale with endings that vary in wildly different conclusions. RGB do, actually accomplish that.

Well to be fair, it wouldn't be much of a game if there was no way to lose. During ME2's suicide mission, you are also free to choose Grunt to go in the vents, make Zaeed the Fire Team leader, and put Jacob on biotic barrier duty.

However those are definitely the "wrong" choices, as they get your team and possibly Shepard killed.

They already got rid of a final boss as "too video-gamey". Making all three choices "wins" (although I use that term loosely as they are all pretty insipid and depressing in their own special ways) seems to remove all sense of challenge altogether.

Modifié par Eryri, 07 septembre 2012 - 02:17 .