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[Discouraged_one]

If anything makes the IT a reality and save the ending of ME because of the IT, then...good! I guess

[Pheonix57]

In my opinion, this is the only rational explanation for the ending we got.

[ahnariprellik]

Well the fact that they're denying the "Project X" info that is supposedly coming from Bioware itself is a sign that maybe, just maybe, it could be true and they're flat at denying it now so nothing gets leaked again like the original script. Or maybe I am just grasping at straws. Really wish they'd just come out and confirm/deny Indoc Theory though. After watching the Clevernoob Documentaries on youtube there is not way Indoc Theory isn't true,in my opinion.

[ahnariprellik]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

He does explain it. Essentially the VI can only detect when someone has become fully indoctrinated. Not still in the stages of becoming indoctrinated. And the idea behind IT isn't saying Shep is indoctrinated, it's that the ending is an attempt by Harbinger to indoctrinate Shepard. He even pointed out something I had never seen before. After you get hit by the beam you see piles of dead bodies to the left and right on the map. If you look close they are wearing the armor of the VS from ME1.Both the one you saved and the one you let die. Like someone (Harbinger) is playing with Shep's guilty conscience. The documentary is long but he looks at from both a supporter and critics perspective which is why I feel he makes great points both for and against Indoc Theory.

[Brass_Buckles]

While I'd be thrilled if the endings turned out to be Not Real and we didn't have to pay for the real one... I just can't buy into all these theories about "There's going to be a new DLC with the real ending soon." They've had threads like these since people first started beating the game and hating the ending.

No matter how eloquently done the picking-apart is, to me it's still grasping at straws. And then there's the fact that these threads always go along the lines of, "A friend of mine who knows/is a dev..." And it can't be proven. I'll believe it when I see an announcement from Bioware. Until then, I'll just arch an eyebrow at threads like these skeptically.

We have already been told there will be no new ending content after the EC. I'm not thrilled with the EC either--it's tolerable, compared to the atrocity that was the original.

And let's be blunt, if Shepard is indoctrinated, then the Destroy ending does not magically de-Indoctrinate her. Indoctrination can't be cured and remains even with a lack of contact with the Reapers. It would likely leave as many or more people dissatisfied if Indoctrination Theory were true as there were prior to the EC, nevermind those who still aren't really satisfied (myself included).

[xsamplexample]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

/Bad Writing Theory.

/Puzzle Theory.

Heck, /Elephant Theory.

shaddapppp

[OdanUrr]

ahnariprellik wrote...

Well the fact that they're denying the "Project X" info that is supposedly coming from Bioware itself is a sign that maybe, just maybe, it could be true (...)

[Baa Baa]

Lol this thread is still around?

[xsamplexample]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

While I'd be thrilled if the endings turned out to be Not Real and we didn't have to pay for the real one... I just can't buy into all these theories about "There's going to be a new DLC with the real ending soon." They've had threads like these since people first started beating the game and hating the ending.

No matter how eloquently done the picking-apart is, to me it's still grasping at straws. And then there's the fact that these threads always go along the lines of, "A friend of mine who knows/is a dev..." And it can't be proven. I'll believe it when I see an announcement from Bioware. Until then, I'll just arch an eyebrow at threads like these skeptically.

We have already been told there will be no new ending content after the EC. I'm not thrilled with the EC either--it's tolerable, compared to the atrocity that was the original.

And let's be blunt, if Shepard is indoctrinated, then the Destroy ending does not magically de-Indoctrinate her. Indoctrination can't be cured and remains even with a lack of contact with the Reapers. It would likely leave as many or more people dissatisfied if Indoctrination Theory were true as there were prior to the EC, nevermind those who still aren't really satisfied (myself included).

yeah, im with you.  But all signs point to IT.  the only people who dont believe know nothing of the lore and only played ME3.  i think its only natural that the lesser fans wouldnt catch this.  

Anyways, Bioware knows that this DLC could make a ****load of money.  they probably will do something with the IT.  If they dont, well, they ARE as dumb as I thought.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

xsamplexample wrote...

Brass_Buckles wrote...

While I'd be thrilled if the endings turned out to be Not Real and we didn't have to pay for the real one... I just can't buy into all these theories about "There's going to be a new DLC with the real ending soon." They've had threads like these since people first started beating the game and hating the ending.

No matter how eloquently done the picking-apart is, to me it's still grasping at straws. And then there's the fact that these threads always go along the lines of, "A friend of mine who knows/is a dev..." And it can't be proven. I'll believe it when I see an announcement from Bioware. Until then, I'll just arch an eyebrow at threads like these skeptically.

We have already been told there will be no new ending content after the EC. I'm not thrilled with the EC either--it's tolerable, compared to the atrocity that was the original.

And let's be blunt, if Shepard is indoctrinated, then the Destroy ending does not magically de-Indoctrinate her. Indoctrination can't be cured and remains even with a lack of contact with the Reapers. It would likely leave as many or more people dissatisfied if Indoctrination Theory were true as there were prior to the EC, nevermind those who still aren't really satisfied (myself included).

yeah, im with you.  But all signs point to IT.  the only people who dont believe know nothing of the lore and only played ME3.  i think its only natural that the lesser fans wouldnt catch this.  

Anyways, Bioware knows that this DLC could make a ****load of money.  they probably will do something with the IT.  If they dont, well, they ARE as dumb as I thought.  

 I've played all the games and read everything published, and I still don't believe in the Indoctrination Hypothesis. Your point is invalid.

[ahnariprellik]

Everyone thinks the IT means Shepard is already Indoctrinated. This isn't the case. It is saying the Reapers are ATTEMPTING to indoctrinate Shepard. But if you played ME1 when Saren shoots himself (if you successfully talk him out of becoming fully indoctrinated) then it weakens Sovereigns hold on him thus weakening Sovereign opening up for an attack form the Alliance and they beat him. I agree that most that dismiss IT are those that haven't played the whole series.

[Ithurael]

ahnariprellik wrote...

Everyone thinks the IT means Shepard is already Indoctrinated. This isn't the case. It is saying the Reapers are ATTEMPTING to indoctrinate Shepard. But if you played ME1 when Saren shoots himself (if you successfully talk him out of becoming fully indoctrinated) then it weakens Sovereigns hold on him thus weakening Sovereign opening up for an attack form the Alliance and they beat him. I agree that most that dismiss IT are those that haven't played the whole series.

I played ME1-3

I dismiss IT

IT Dream was plausible pre EC.

Post EC it is deader than a corpse

[MattFini]

I support Project X.

Both this rumored DLC and the Matthew Broderick movie.

Not the recent found footage comedy with the same name, though.

[ahnariprellik]

Ithurael wrote...

ahnariprellik wrote...

Everyone thinks the IT means Shepard is already Indoctrinated. This isn't the case. It is saying the Reapers are ATTEMPTING to indoctrinate Shepard. But if you played ME1 when Saren shoots himself (if you successfully talk him out of becoming fully indoctrinated) then it weakens Sovereigns hold on him thus weakening Sovereign opening up for an attack form the Alliance and they beat him. I agree that most that dismiss IT are those that haven't played the whole series.

I played ME1-3

I dismiss IT

IT Dream was plausible pre EC.

Post EC it is deader than a corpse

If its dead, explain how Shep wakes up in the rubble taking a breathe after the ending. He survived the explosion in the center of the Citadel where he was standing? The inevetable plummet back to Earth? He died in the beginning of ME2 in his spacesuit because he couldn't get enough oxygen. Unless Cerberus turned him into Superman or the Terminator I don't see how he survived the Citadel exploding. Also if IT is false why has Bioware not come out and firmly denied it like they did the Project X DLC? Also why did Mike Gamble at ComicCon 2012, in response to a fan's question regarding the breathe scene expressly state that Shepard was laying in rebar. I doubt rebar was used in the Citadel's construction since it was built by the Reaper's. Therefore, if its rebar it means Shep is still in the rubble in London, not on the Citadel, meaning nothing after getting hit by Harbinger's laser actually happened. I will stand by this assumption until Bioware expressly comes out and says othewise. People ignore the facts in the game itself.Is it really that hard to look at the facts the game gives us and deduce that it was all mind games the Reapers were playing on Shep at the end.

[ShepnTali]

If it's IT that ruined my destroy ending I'm gonna rage.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 14 septembre 2012 - 04:18 .

[liggy002]

ahnariprellik wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

ahnariprellik wrote...

Everyone thinks the IT means Shepard is already Indoctrinated. This isn't the case. It is saying the Reapers are ATTEMPTING to indoctrinate Shepard. But if you played ME1 when Saren shoots himself (if you successfully talk him out of becoming fully indoctrinated) then it weakens Sovereigns hold on him thus weakening Sovereign opening up for an attack form the Alliance and they beat him. I agree that most that dismiss IT are those that haven't played the whole series.

I played ME1-3

I dismiss IT

IT Dream was plausible pre EC.

Post EC it is deader than a corpse

If its dead, explain how Shep wakes up in the rubble taking a breathe after the ending. He survived the explosion in the center of the Citadel where he was standing? The inevetable plummet back to Earth? He died in the beginning of ME2 in his spacesuit because he couldn't get enough oxygen. Unless Cerberus turned him into Superman or the Terminator I don't see how he survived the Citadel exploding. Also if IT is false why has Bioware not come out and firmly denied it like they did the Project X DLC? Also why did Mike Gamble at ComicCon 2012, in response to a fan's question regarding the breathe scene expressly state that Shepard was laying in rebar. I doubt rebar was used in the Citadel's construction since it was built by the Reaper's. Therefore, if its rebar it means Shep is still in the rubble in London, not on the Citadel, meaning nothing after getting hit by Harbinger's laser actually happened. I will stand by this assumption until Bioware expressly comes out and says othewise. People ignore the facts in the game itself.Is it really that hard to look at the facts the game gives us and deduce that it was all mind games the Reapers were playing on Shep at the end.

Great..... so that means that Bioware wont deny that they gave us game without an ending.  If the IT is true, we don't have an ending and they flatly stated that they WILL NOT give us an ending.

[Restrider]

Not in ME 3, though...
Who knows if ME 4 begins after breathe?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Restrider wrote...

Not in ME 3, though...
Who knows if ME 4 begins after breathe?

ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.

[Restrider]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Not in ME 3, though...
Who knows if ME 4 begins after breathe?

ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.

Maybe not the end of the reaper war.

[OdanUrr]

ahnariprellik wrote...

If its dead, explain how Shep wakes up in the rubble taking a breathe after the ending. He survived the explosion in the center of the Citadel where he was standing? The inevetable plummet back to Earth? He died in the beginning of ME2 in his spacesuit because he couldn't get enough oxygen. Unless Cerberus turned him into Superman or the Terminator I don't see how he survived the Citadel exploding. Also if IT is false why has Bioware not come out and firmly denied it like they did the Project X DLC? Also why did Mike Gamble at ComicCon 2012, in response to a fan's question regarding the breathe scene expressly state that Shepard was laying in rebar. I doubt rebar was used in the Citadel's construction since it was built by the Reaper's. Therefore, if its rebar it means Shep is still in the rubble in London, not on the Citadel, meaning nothing after getting hit by Harbinger's laser actually happened. I will stand by this assumption until Bioware expressly comes out and says othewise. People ignore the facts in the game itself.Is it really that hard to look at the facts the game gives us and deduce that it was all mind games the Reapers were playing on Shep at the end.

You conveniently choose to forget a number of things. First, there are any number of inconsistencies throughout the ME universe which the devs/writers/etc. have not and will not address. The beginning of ME2 is certainly the most glaring one: Yes, Shepard might have died of oxygen deprivation first, then he burnt up and was smashed to bits when he entered the planet's atmosphere and got caught in its gravitational field. There would've been nothing left to resurrect him. Second, the fact that Bioware hasn't denied IT is not proof itself that it's valid. Third, every species helped rebuild the Citadel after Sovereign's attack in ME1, humans included, which could account for the use of "human" materials. Indeed, I've spotted a few air conditioning units on the Citadel, certainly those weren't made by the Reapers, were they?

[SubAstris]

ahnariprellik wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

He does explain it. Essentially the VI can only detect when someone has become fully indoctrinated. Not still in the stages of becoming indoctrinated. And the idea behind IT isn't saying Shep is indoctrinated, it's that the ending is an attempt by Harbinger to indoctrinate Shepard. He even pointed out something I had never seen before. After you get hit by the beam you see piles of dead bodies to the left and right on the map. If you look close they are wearing the armor of the VS from ME1.Both the one you saved and the one you let die. Like someone (Harbinger) is playing with Shep's guilty conscience. The documentary is long but he looks at from both a supporter and critics perspective which is why I feel he makes great points both for and against Indoc Theory.

That's an assumption on the part of CleverNoob, we don't really know the capabilities of the VI, but if that were to be the case it would make the VI's existence pretty redundant.

[SubAstris]

xsamplexample wrote...

the only people who dont believe know nothing of the lore and only played ME3.  i think its only natural that the lesser fans wouldnt catch this.  

Most laugably ridiculous statement of the day

[TheWill]

as long as people dont hold to the idea that IT is a fan made theory.. which is just ridiculous.. and that bioware would be stealing those ideas from them...
also people need to stop moaning and feeling like theyve been sold an incomplete game.. if dlc adds to the ending or changes it...

history seems to show that the people who complain the most and shout the loudest are the ones that are listened to... and i dont think we shout loud enough

[SubAstris]

TheWill wrote...

as long as people dont hold to the idea that IT is a fan made theory.. which is just ridiculous.. and that bioware would be stealing those ideas from them...
also people need to stop moaning and feeling like theyve been sold an incomplete game.. if dlc adds to the ending or changes it...

history seems to show that the people who complain the most and shout the loudest are the ones that are listened to... and i dont think we shout loud enough

DLC is meant  to supplement the plot of the game, not to carry it. The game should have a beginning, middle and end for it to be considered complete. Some versions of IT need more content, otherwise you have no ending. Therefore people should be entitled to complain because if their version of IT is true, they have been sold an incorrect game. Having to buy DLC which wraps up the ending, esp. if it is not free, is just a slap in the face

[dsl08002]

One thing is that in the entire battle of earth on the ground i felt that it couldn´t be the end just yet. the gameplay was to short and.....
what i mean is that during that time you didn´t feel like you were nearing the ending of the franchise. i felt that there were to many things left to do in the ending like fighting for earth should have been longer, boss battle and so on.

Bioware should understand that this is a gold mine because even if many doesn´t approve IT the IT could bring an entire new ending.They can even charge for it.

this is my opinion but if they brought an new ending with gameplay with that IT DLC then i can ensure you that it would be the most purchased dlc EVER.