IT has never been valid. It will never be valid. It is not cannon. It doesn't fit into ME plot and story.
Mass Effect 3 - Project X (Mass Effect 3 Indoctrination DLC) - Rumours [Official Thread]
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Posté 13 novembre 2012 - 02:09
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ZajoE38 wrote...
IT has never been valid. It will never be valid. It is not cannon. It doesn't fit into ME plot and story.
You mean how there was no indoctrination whatsoever in the Mass Effect games, but lots of mentions and plot points about synthesis of people and their smartphones on the DNA level, right?
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Posté 13 novembre 2012 - 04:15
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ZajoE38 wrote...
IT has never been valid. It will never be valid. It is not cannon. It doesn't fit into ME plot and story.
Ohhhh, I get it, we are just saying the first thing that comes to mind, whether it's a full rational thought or not, despite evidence to the contrary, I get it...
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Posté 13 novembre 2012 - 04:17
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Nykara wrote...
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You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.
We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.
What about expansions?
My thoughts exactly. I get the feeling this whole massive DLC thing that Hendriks has been Tweeting about is possibly some sort of Awakening-style expansion.
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Posté 13 novembre 2012 - 04:21
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MWMike2011 wrote...
Nykara wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.
We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.
What about expansions?
My thoughts exactly. I get the feeling this whole massive DLC thing that Hendriks has been Tweeting about is possibly some sort of Awakening-style expansion.
i hope you're right
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 02:13
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So... You guys actually think this could be true? To some point at least?
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 03:22
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Charles Rosemberg wrote...
So... You guys actually think this could be true? To some point at least?
I think there might be smaller-scale truth underneath all the exaggerated theories and demanding time-tables, and that the DLC might snap together to "improve" what's already there in the ending. That might be why the team denied Project X's existence, yet kept the topic open for discussion.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 03:27
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dreamgazer wrote...
Charles Rosemberg wrote...
So... You guys actually think this could be true? To some point at least?
I think there might be smaller-scale truth underneath all the exaggerated theories and demanding time-tables, and that the DLC might snap together to "improve" what's already there in the ending. That might be why the team denied Project X's existence, yet kept the topic open for discussion.
it´s like Schodringer cat... neither true and neither false till they prove or disprove it...
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 03:29
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Applepie_Svk wrote...
dreamgazer wrote...
Charles Rosemberg wrote...
So... You guys actually think this could be true? To some point at least?
I think there might be smaller-scale truth underneath all the exaggerated theories and demanding time-tables, and that the DLC might snap together to "improve" what's already there in the ending. That might be why the team denied Project X's existence, yet kept the topic open for discussion.
it´s like Schodringer cat... neither true and neither false till they prove or disprove it...
And sadly they'll drag it out until the very last piece of DLC is released. We all know this.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 03:41
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Why post about IT on mainstream BSN? It's a theory that so few people understand, like or agree with that it's going to be a mostly flamer thread. That said, I'm a proud ITer. In fact, even if it isn't revealed by BSN, I still see evidence of it throughout the series. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have IT planned and got the idea from ITers.
As for trusting it, I trust nothing about this until I see it, but it's a nice thing to think that there may be a better ending for ITers since as an ITer it pretty much is not an ending at all. Thanks for the post. Hopefully it won't be filled with rudeness and flaming, though given BSN's careful moderation (/s) I doubt it.
As for trusting it, I trust nothing about this until I see it, but it's a nice thing to think that there may be a better ending for ITers since as an ITer it pretty much is not an ending at all. Thanks for the post. Hopefully it won't be filled with rudeness and flaming, though given BSN's careful moderation (/s) I doubt it.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 03:58
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starlitegirlx wrote...
Why post about IT on mainstream BSN? It's a theory that so few people understand, like or agree with that it's going to be a mostly flamer thread.
You really think so? Maybe this is true about "IT" as a detailed and heavily specific theory, but I think the idea that all is not right in Shepard's brain in the ending is very widespread.
That being said, if there is a Project X, it might expose indoctrination or hallucination or new context using entirely different parameters than the theories in the IT thread.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 04:02
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Charles Rosemberg wrote...
So... You guys actually think this could be true? To some point at least?
There's a lot of information in game that is hard to ignore. But you have to pay attention to what the conversations and missions are. The more I do, the more evidence I see. Is it absolutely true? Who knows? But from the standpoint of symbology and foreshadowing alone, there is a lot that says it highly possible it happened.
However, you have the majority of players who just want to play a game for fun and not analyze it and see patterns, themes, symbolism and foreshadowing. I fully understand that which is why I think it was meant to be played on two levels - for the straight out gamer and for the one who really loves to delve into the story. It was a story driven game at one point that became less story and more game as each new one came out.
So we shall see.
But food for thought, what do we learn through all three games about the genophage and why it was necessary? We learn that it was Salarians meddling with evolution's natural progress and the end result was disasterous. And what do we learn about the geth/quarian war through the course of the three games? That the quarians created slaves to control and when they felt they lost control they went to war and the price was losing their planet, a heritic faction developing that allied with the reapers and a negative impact for people outside the veil. Disasterous. And what are the two core missions we are contending with in ME3? Curing the genophage (returning evolution to its natural course) and ending the quarian/geth war (stopping the attempt to control something that was never meant to be controlled). Warnings and foreshadowing of choices you will be offered. Both of these looked good at the time, but later, disasterous to the galaxy. Also, Mordin is quite clearn in ME2 about the uplifiting of the krogan. He hates that it was done. One conversation with him should serve as a tale of caution against synthesis.
Then there are all the loyalty missions in ME2 - every one of the main character's mission is rooted in either control or synthesis or both. You have to step back to see it rather than just play the mission, but it is there. And at the end of each mission are any of the characters actually happy with the resolution? Only a diluded mirada who we later learn was wholly wrong in her assumption that attempting to control the fate of her sister would work out as she planned.
Regarding IT itself, we learn via leviathan what mind control looks like and this is only the bare bones of it. We have people who appear to shepard with leviathan's voice. But we know it's domination of Shepard because there is nothing more to it than people from that DLC speaking and the voice is not of the people. However, we learn that this ability was passed to the reapers and over millions of years perfected to form of art. So it could very well be that everything that we think is happening on the citadel or in the chamber is an elaborate illusion created by the reapers (indoctrination). We know it is possible. We've seen it from leviathan and been told the reapers have mastered it.
Take from all that what you will....
Just things worthy of consideration.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 04:08
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Krimzie wrote...
starlitegirlx wrote...
Why post about IT on mainstream BSN? It's a theory that so few people understand, like or agree with that it's going to be a mostly flamer thread.
You really think so? Maybe this is true about "IT" as a detailed and heavily specific theory, but I think the idea that all is not right in Shepard's brain in the ending is very widespread.
That being said, if there is a Project X, it might expose indoctrination or hallucination or new context using entirely different parameters than the theories in the IT thread.
We can only hope.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 05:17
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Chris Priestly wrote...
You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.
We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 05:36
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ZajoE38 wrote...
IT has never been valid. It will never be valid. It is not cannon. It doesn't fit into ME plot and story.
Wrong. Bioware themselves stated its just as valid as any other interpretation.
IT fits perfectly into both the lore and the story, the whole damn trilogy is telling you how Indoctrination works, that no-one is safe, that the Reapers have been doing this for so long that they believe themselves invincible, and are not stupid.
You just don't understand it, and clearly have no interest in understanding it. More fool you.
But please, continue to be ignorant. Its amusing.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 05:38
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Seival wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.
We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.
And I seem to remember someone denying Project X existed. And then announced it a few months later.
Credibility, its in short supply here.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 05:38
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So, EAWare deliberately sold game without ending, you say?Andromidius wrote...
ZajoE38 wrote...
IT has never been valid. It will never be valid. It is not cannon. It doesn't fit into ME plot and story.
Wrong. Bioware themselves stated its just as valid as any other interpretation.
IT fits perfectly into both the lore and the story, the whole damn trilogy is telling you how Indoctrination works, that no-one is safe, that the Reapers have been doing this for so long that they believe themselves invincible, and are not stupid.
You just don't understand it, and clearly have no interest in understanding it. More fool you.
But please, continue to be ignorant. Its amusing.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:14
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Andromidius wrote...
Seival wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.
We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.
And I seem to remember someone denying Project X existed. And then announced it a few months later.
Credibility, its in short supply here.
I think he was reffering to the new IP (and when did they actually "confrim project X") they annouced many products have a place holder title until the know what the hell it's actually about.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:23
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dreamgazer wrote...
Charles Rosemberg wrote...
So... You guys actually think this could be true? To some point at least?
I think there might be smaller-scale truth underneath all the exaggerated theories and demanding time-tables, and that the DLC might snap together to "improve" what's already there in the ending. That might be why the team denied Project X's existence, yet kept the topic open for discussion.
Plus, didn't Mike Gamble say something about if we knew what they had in store, we'd hold onto our copies of ME 3 forever? So far, none of the DLC's have radically changed the ending, but they do add more to the ending everytime, through lines of dialogue, or extra scenes. After all SP DLC is out, we could be in for something big, who knows?
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:26
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I was at the MCM London Expo Bioware panel where Chris mentioned "Project X" and how he can't speak about it.
Obviously, Project X could be something else not at all related to this and he said it to stir up **** but... there's hope guys
Obviously, Project X could be something else not at all related to this and he said it to stir up **** but... there's hope guys
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:38
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We'll only know when it comes out. Until then, it is all speculation. Even when coming from reliable leaks. Until we have the DLC and are playing it and seeing the outcome, then we know nothing for fact.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:43
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You guys are missing the important stuff: possible Priority: Earth expansion and War Asset cutscenes... for free!
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:49
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HYR 2.0 wrote...
for free!
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Oh wait... you're serious?
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:58
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Andromidius wrote...
Seival wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
You can keep discussing this if you wish, but it is false. Sorry.
We have aid numerous times now, we have "ended the endings". While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.
Aren't they pretty infamous for making statements that turn out to be wholly inaccurate? There's the project x one and there are all the ones about how ME3 was going to end, grand promises of 16 endings or something like that. Not buying what Priestly is selling.
And I seem to remember someone denying Project X existed. And then announced it a few months later.
Credibility, its in short supply here.
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Posté 17 novembre 2012 - 06:59
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lostmercenary99 wrote...
HYR 2.0 wrote...
for free!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh wait... you're serious?
What? Not like they can't afford it after record sales, DLC, and MP microtransactions.
