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[Soratoma]

[quote]vivaladricas wrote...

[quote]Soratoma wrote...


Deny what "happy ending" the one where the galaxy is saved? Or the one where The Avengers, Batman, Spiderman, and the Crew of the Normandy, grab Shepard, hug/kiss/high five, and go for Schwarma?
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 Why would those characters be in ME?  Would you have preferred the Avengers die and not do a sequel??  You know that thing called $$$  if you were in charge I bet you would be pushing a sequel just for that $$$.  It's smart.  

If you like what you got then good.  Still don't see the issue with a lot of versions of an ending, one for everybody which can be done in this style.  You want stark realism, then Shep took a stray bullet on Noveria and died there.  No one is surviving all that BS.  Period. It's hugely fake anyway.  

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I was just stating that if you look at the "Endings" in retrospect, seeing the Galaxy survive (that is if you don't choose the Refusal Ending.) In anyway be it Destroying or Controling the Reapers/Synthesis, is actually a happy ending... or am I wrong? ( 1 person dies, billions survive?)
The last quote was not to be taken to serious(Avengers and co.).... (sarcasm doesn't seem to work well in written form )
Ofcourse I want a sequel(wich is being made) but atleast they are not doing the entire BS of stating it was meant as a Trilogy, and then they bring out Halo 4, I mean ME4 and you're still playing the same Shepard, all I was saying is I enjoy that the story  is "wraped up" and now I can move on to ME4(doubt that they'll call it that) and create a new character with a new background (race maybe) and a new mission. Atleast they are trying to stick with the "Shepards tale is done." part of their promise...(but we shall see)

[Dr_Extrem]

you can stick to the "sheps story is over" theme, without killing off the character.
in high ems destroy, shepard surviving, is a legit interpretation. tbh, i (or better my shepard) does not care for the galaxy anymore. at least not as much, as for the crew.
i, as the player, like the crew and my avatar .. this was the only reason, i played me3 in the first place. the galaxy disregarded sheps warnings for so long, they deserved to burn.

my paragon shepard desereved to be taken out of the rubble. she earned this favour from the universe. short reunion, mourning the dead, help rebuilding the galaxy or go on a star trek, to find new worlds in our cluster.

shepard lives, but is out of the story - clean slate for a new hero and many people are happy.


my happier ending does not involve parties or high fives .. that would be impious (not my sheps style). my shep would mourne the dead and remenber the sacrifices, after the war was won.

[Omega Torsk]

BP20125810 wrote...

They have stated more than multiple times that the extended cut is the LAST ending related DLC. Look it up. Literally everyone (most) at the company have mentioned this...

The one thing I've taken from all of this is that Bioware's PR will usually lie without really lying. Kind of like Obi-Wan.

We can get an extension of the ending and they still wouldn't have technically lied to us, because what they said was true (from a certain point of view). They didn't "change" the ending, they just extended it. They could give us more choices and they still wouldn't have technically lied. Because the previous choices are still there, there's just more of them, now.

A more recent example: They told us Omega would be 4 hours (depending on your play style).

And, since we're on the subject of trusting Bioware's PR, I'm still waiting for my "wildly different conclusions" and endings that "won't be A, B, or C" we were promised, let's see, a week before ME3 was released.

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 25 décembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

@Soratoma, you forget indoctrination can be fought....if I remember correctly Shaila claims to be indoctrinated but can resist it because of being in contact with the thorian ......she did give the cypher to Shep,, which could have transferred that resists to him also.....maybe

[Eryri]

Omega Torsk wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

They have stated more than multiple times that the extended cut is the LAST ending related DLC. Look it up. Literally everyone (most) at the company have mentioned this...

The one thing I've taken from all of this is that Bioware's PR will usually lie without really lying. Kind of like Obi-Wan.

We can get an extension of the ending and they still wouldn't have technically lied to us, because what they said was true (from a certain point of view). They didn't "change" the ending, they just extended it. They could give us more choices and they still wouldn't have technically lied. Because the previous choices are still there, there's just more of them, now.

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QFT. For all we know, what Bioware so vaguely refer to as "the Ending" could in fact just be this...



... umpteen thousand years in the future. If so, while that would mean we will be forever stuck with Buzz Aldrin's terrible voice acting, anything from before that point would be fair game for revision.

Modifié par Eryri, 25 décembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Soratoma]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

@Soratoma, you forget indoctrination can be fought....if I remember correctly Shaila claims to be indoctrinated but can resist it because of being in contact with the thorian ......she did give the cypher to Shep,, which could have transferred that resists to him also.....maybe

Shiala is the only person in the ME universe to have managed to escape the reaper control, most likely due to the fact that she had been indoctrinated by the Thorian, just like the other citizens of Feros somehow manage to withstand the reaper indoctrination and build a strong resistance on Feros(I think there is a news report about this in ME3) But all these people were directly controled by the Thorian, Shepard never was, so in my conclusion, I do believe that to withstand the Reaper Indoctrination:
A.) you must have been under the control or influence of a reaper
B.) One indoctrination overwrote the other eg. Thorian Indoc. Overides Reaper Indoc. something like that, and since the Thorian is dead, the person gets there free will back since nothing is left to control their thoughts..... (just speculating!) but I really enjoyed your idea, and hey who knows maybe you are right.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Eryri wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

BP20125810 wrote...

They have stated more than multiple times that the extended cut is the LAST ending related DLC. Look it up. Literally everyone (most) at the company have mentioned this...

The one thing I've taken from all of this is that Bioware's PR will usually lie without really lying. Kind of like Obi-Wan.

We can get an extension of the ending and they still wouldn't have technically lied to us, because what they said was true (from a certain point of view). They didn't "change" the ending, they just extended it. They could give us more choices and they still wouldn't have technically lied. Because the previous choices are still there, there's just more of them, now.

snip

QFT. For all we know, what Bioware so vaguely refer to as "the Ending" could in fact just be this...



... umpteen thousand years in the future. If so, while that would mean we will be forever stuck with Buzz Aldrin's terrible voice acting, anything from before that point would be fair game for revision.

My God, I hate that scene.  Even still to this day.  I do not care one flying flip about this guy and this kid.  The characters that I truly care about are Shepard's squadmates and other supporting characters (Anderson, for example. My eyes got watery during his death scene.).

[ME859]

I want to believe this is true but I mean look at the source. Every indoctrination theory documentary holds some sort of promotion for CleverNoob. "Head on over to forums at Clevernoob to enter a contest to celebrate the release of this new video." I mean they talk about Bioware and EA wanting controversy and using it to their advantage but my gut tells me Clevernoob is the ones taking advantage of people that desperately want an indoctrination theory DLC to get made.

Omega Torsk wrote...

And, since we're on the subject of trusting Bioware's PR, I'm still waiting for my "wildly different conclusions" and endings that "won't be A, B, or C" we were promised, let's see, a week before ME3 was released.

I subscribe to the idea that only the good promises turn out to be lies. IE they won't lie or refuse to acknowledge DLC that was in the works with features that the fanbase would react very positvely towards.   I think if they were working on something ending related they wouldn't have the community managers screaming about how they're done with the endings.  Then again for whatever reason Bioware reps have spotty track records but at this point I believe that they have no plans to work on the endings though it would be a huge seller if they did. 

Modifié par ME859, 26 décembre 2012 - 04:55 .

[jasonxxsatanna]

One thing about the whole DLC thing and Clevernoobs pending schedule for said DLCs, the schedule and his report of it seems to be coming to life , it maybe a little off but for the most part its correct, so maybe project x will be some sort of add on to the ending

[Eryri]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

My God, I hate that scene.  Even still to this day.  I do not care one flying flip about this guy and this kid.  The characters that I truly care about are Shepard's squadmates and other supporting characters (Anderson, for example. My eyes got watery during his death scene.).

Agreed. Anderson's death scene was so moving, particularly with the music chosen for it. I really don't understand why they decided to cut it down from Mac Walter's original longer version.

[jasonxxsatanna]

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[Jonata]

Soratoma wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

@Soratoma, you forget indoctrination can be fought....if I remember correctly Shaila claims to be indoctrinated but can resist it because of being in contact with the thorian ......she did give the cypher to Shep,, which could have transferred that resists to him also.....maybe

But all these people were directly controled by the Thorian, Shepard never was, so in my conclusion, I do believe that to withstand the Reaper Indoctrination:
A.) you must have been under the control or influence of a reaper
B.) One indoctrination overwrote the other eg. Thorian Indoc. Overides Reaper Indoc. something like that, and since the Thorian is dead, the person gets there free will back since nothing is left to control their thoughts..... (just speculating!) but I really enjoyed your idea, and hey who knows maybe you are right.

As for the Leviathan DLC, Shepard has already been indoctrinated by another being and then released, so that's an option.

EDIT: just stating some facts, however, I do not believe anything about this conspiracy theories nor I endorse any of the selfish "I want a DLC that does THIS" requests. 

Modifié par Jonata, 26 décembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[geertmans]

edit: nevermind...

Modifié par geertmans, 26 décembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[FreshRevenge]

I would only hope that Shepard is indoctrinated and they are going to release the final piece soon!

[dorktainian]

i hope you ITers get what you want.  I really do.  But if you don't, then i hope refusal offers us victory on our own terms.....even if we end up on the very edge of extinction......as long as we win. There can be no deal struck with the reapers that does not lead to our defeat.  

I would rather die on my feet fighting for my freedom, than trust space fascists are us.

Modifié par dorktainian, 26 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .

[Dysjong]

I actually liked the refuse ending because it made us lose. If every ending choices would lead to victory, then where is the drama? I believe that there has to be a chance for failure when it comes RPG, computer or tabletop.

And that speech!! Damn!

[dorktainian]

Dysjong wrote...

I actually liked the refuse ending because it made us lose. If every ending choices would lead to victory, then where is the drama? I believe that there has to be a chance for failure when it comes RPG, computer or tabletop.

And that speech!! Damn!

that speech is imo the best thing about ME3.

[Dysjong]

Poor you.

I liked Mass effect 3, to see the genophage cured, seeing Thesia, meeting all the people i have met in the 2 first games. With the EC i can enjoy the endings.

Regarding the so called A,B,C endings and false promise... I have never seen this being said, so no, i don't feel that Bioware lied to me. I were already prepared for making a final choice, it's rpg.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

As I said before:

Bioware's PR has proven false more often than not.

Mass Effect leaks have proven true more often than not.

Which one do I believe? Um, yeah. I'm going with the latter.

[dorktainian]

Dysjong wrote...

Poor you.

I liked Mass effect 3, to see the genophage cured, seeing Thesia, meeting all the people i have met in the 2 first games. With the EC i can enjoy the endings.

Regarding the so called A,B,C endings and false promise... I have never seen this being said, so no, i don't feel that Bioware lied to me. I were already prepared for making a final choice, it's rpg.

 

i just mean that actually when all things are considered it's nice to see shepard actually accepting that he might lose the war, and that he would actually have the dignity and composure in those final moments to accept this as an outcome.  Lets face it none of the star brats solutions are real solutions anyway.  ''IF'' IT is real, then it's all an illusion anyway.

[Dysjong]

I have to disagree on that Dorktainian.

The way i see it, i was asked what kind of future i would give the galaxy. Destroy is a good option but for me it become complicated because i saved the geth and helping them with true Intelligence and free will. Control i wouldnt do, out of fear i might end doing something simillar the catalyst's own solution. Synthesis was for me the Best option, sinds my Shepard believede in mutual cooperation between the different races. Refuse would mean that i doom the galaxy and betraying all the people that looked up to me.

IT is a plausible thing, that could happen. But i will stick to the endings as they are now.

[Dysjong]

Dobble post<_<

Modifié par Dysjong, 26 décembre 2012 - 09:08 .

[Soratoma]

Jonata wrote...

Soratoma wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

@Soratoma, you forget indoctrination can be fought....if I remember correctly Shaila claims to be indoctrinated but can resist it because of being in contact with the thorian ......she did give the cypher to Shep,, which could have transferred that resists to him also.....maybe

But all these people were directly controled by the Thorian, Shepard never was, so in my conclusion, I do believe that to withstand the Reaper Indoctrination:
A.) you must have been under the control or influence of a reaper
B.) One indoctrination overwrote the other eg. Thorian Indoc. Overides Reaper Indoc. something like that, and since the Thorian is dead, the person gets there free will back since nothing is left to control their thoughts..... (just speculating!) but I really enjoyed your idea, and hey who knows maybe you are right.

As for the Leviathan DLC, Shepard has already been indoctrinated by another being and then released, so that's an option.

EDIT: just stating some facts, however, I do not believe anything about this conspiracy theories nor I endorse any of the selfish "I want a DLC that does THIS" requests. 

I honestly didn't consider Leviathan when I wrote that, you are absolutley right, but on the other hand what I would not understand then is, if immune why would you need to fight the Indoctrination of the reapers, even if you they tried you wouldn't notice it if you are immune to it...
I really hope people who follow the IT get something out of it, for their sake, and if not that they can bury it and let it be, honestly I really think that would be a f*cking slap in the face if they had planned to make a dlc for the "Real" ending in the first place... and I doubt anyone would do that.... I understand the marketing aspects and milking the cash cow, but honestly it would be the worst stunt that any game developer, screen writer, etc. has pulled. And it would in my opinion make their credibility die more than with that what they offered us to start with.