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[RiptideX1090]

StElmo wrote...

You say this, but your yet to see how many customers you have lost.

They had their chance with the EC.

I look forward to seeing how much DLC comes out for Mass Effect 3. I would not be surprised if they don't even bother after Omega.

[StElmo]

Ithurael wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...


What's IT Con?

?Srsly?

That is what Twilight God made his long forum about. It is like the waking nightmare idea. The endings still do happen, but if shep chooses synth or control (or refuse) he/she is indoctrinated and the reapers win (but the RGB endings still happen)

But that patches up basically zero plot holes and is pretty much a destroy ending self congratulation. IT is all about patching the plot holes that ruin the secondary world.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Flog61 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

Lots of the ITers, myself included, believe in IT con.

This theory states that the end sequence is not a dream, but reapers are attempting to indoctrinate shepard during the citadel section and the beam part.

If he chooses synthesis or control ,then he has become indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, all reapers are dead and he breaths, on the citadel.

Can you disprove that?

You didn't answer my question, the fact that indoctrination starts at the beam goes against the lore setup in ME1 that Indoctrination is a sllllooooowwwwww process,

RussianZombeh wrote...

The VI can't detect Indoctrination taking place, it can only detect
actual Indoctrination. That's why it didn't detect Shepard as
Indoctrinated.

That's a pretty weak argument, thats like saying an xray scanner can't pick up a little bit of cancer but a large part of cancer, and technology in the future is WAY more advanced than today's medical equipment

[StElmo]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

You say this, but your yet to see how many customers you have lost.

They had their chance with the EC.

I look forward to seeing how much DLC comes out for Mass Effect 3. I would not be surprised if they don't even bother after Omega.

Neither, hopefully that will convince them to retcon in ME4 or a larger DLC as damage control to stop the ME secondary world being so god damn leaky.

[Wayning_Star]

Ithurael wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...


What's IT Con?

?Srsly?

That is what Twilight God made his long forum about. It is like the waking nightmare idea. The endings still do happen, but if shep chooses synth or control (or refuse) he/she is indoctrinated and the reapers win (but the RGB endings still happen)

Yeah, another glitch right there, as even an illusionist has to have trap doors'n stuff OR actually be magical...that theory relies on 'what' choices are made, that is, demanding certain choice to be 'canon'...or else!!

[DextroDNA]

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

Lots of the ITers, myself included, believe in IT con.

This theory states that the end sequence is not a dream, but reapers are attempting to indoctrinate shepard during the citadel section and the beam part.

If he chooses synthesis or control ,then he has become indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, all reapers are dead and he breaths, on the citadel.

Can you disprove that?

You didn't answer my question, the fact that indoctrination starts at the beam goes against the lore setup in ME1 that Indoctrination is a sllllooooowwwwww process,

RussianZombeh wrote...

The VI can't detect Indoctrination taking place, it can only detect
actual Indoctrination. That's why it didn't detect Shepard as
Indoctrinated.

That's a pretty weak argument, thats like saying an xray scanner can't pick up a little bit of cancer but a large part of cancer, and technology in the future is WAY more advanced than today's medical equipment

You're comparing Indoctrination, something in the mind that isn't physical to CANCER... something that is physically visible on/in the body?

Worst comparison ever. Cancer is nothing like Indoctrination.

[Wayning_Star]

Flog61 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

Lots of the ITers, myself included, believe in IT con.

This theory states that the end sequence is not a dream, but reapers are attempting to indoctrinate shepard during the citadel section and the beam part.

If he chooses synthesis or control ,then he has become indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, all reapers are dead and he breaths, on the citadel.

Can you disprove that?

questions yet to be answered by IT fans: Why did TIM (the indoctrinated man) bring Shepard back from the dead? Why did the (indoctrinated)collector ship fire on the Normady? Why did (indoctrinated) Shepard even fight that last run to the citadel beam? Why did (indoctrinatable of) we play the enitre ME3 game?

...Did you read my post?

I believe that all of the things are really happening, and shepard is never 'indoctrinated' during the end sequence, until right at the last minute if you choose synthesis or control.

None of your questions are relevant to what i believe.


If you want IT-dream answers to those questions, go ask them at the IT thread. No-one's stopping you.

You cannot be two places at once AND you cannot demand a choice or the others require destroy as canon...

[RiptideX1090]

StElmo wrote...


Neither, hopefully that will convince them to retcon in ME4 or a larger DLC as damage control to stop the ME secondary world being so god damn leaky.

I doubt it. Unless you want to play an ME4 where everything will be Synthesis, apparently, if you go by what Merizan says.

[Ithurael]

StElmo wrote...


But that patches up basically zero plot holes and is pretty much a destroy ending self congratulation. IT is all about patching the plot holes that ruin the secondary world.

IT did try

but in the end IT Dream was not meant to be. Mass Effect will end with RGB - not IT

The plotholes are there because Drew left and EA rushed bioware - that is it.

all that is left to see is how the DLC sales do. Either way - ME3 is over. They are not going to go back and fix it. Clevernoob admits it, avacyaos (i think that is his name) admits it, bioware admits it, and now we have to admit this.

The last defense the IT dream ppl have is that "bioware lies" - if they want to use that...great go for it. Eventually thought this will fade into nothing.

Modifié par Ithurael, 24 août 2012 - 04:15 .

[Dav3VsTh3World]

RussianZombeh wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

Lots of the ITers, myself included, believe in IT con.

This theory states that the end sequence is not a dream, but reapers are attempting to indoctrinate shepard during the citadel section and the beam part.

If he chooses synthesis or control ,then he has become indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, all reapers are dead and he breaths, on the citadel.

Can you disprove that?

You didn't answer my question, the fact that indoctrination starts at the beam goes against the lore setup in ME1 that Indoctrination is a sllllooooowwwwww process,

RussianZombeh wrote...

The VI can't detect Indoctrination taking place, it can only detect
actual Indoctrination. That's why it didn't detect Shepard as
Indoctrinated.

That's a pretty weak argument, thats like saying an xray scanner can't pick up a little bit of cancer but a large part of cancer, and technology in the future is WAY more advanced than today's medical equipment

You're comparing Indoctrination, something in the mind that isn't physical to CANCER... something that is physically visible on/in the body?

Worst comparison ever. Cancer is nothing like Indoctrination.

Isn't it? than how does indoctrination affect the brain? energy waves transmitted then how is it being recieved? subatomic partiles nessled in the brain? something has to stay around in the brain to make it act the way it does, how else would the Protheon VI pick this up

[RiptideX1090]

Ithurael wrote...


IT did try

but in the end IT Dream was not meant to be. Mass Effect will end with RGB - not IT

The plotholes are there because Drew left and EA rushed bioware - that is it.

all that is left to see is how the DLC sales do. Either way - ME3 is over. They are not going to go back and fix it. Clevernoob admits it, avacyaos (i think that is his name) admits it, bioware admits it, and now we have to admit this.

The last defense the IT dream ppl have is that "bioware lies" - if they want to use that...great go for it. Eventually thought this will fade into nothing.

Bleak, but true. But hey, this is what Bioware is all about, right? Making stuff bleak, these days.

And I could not agree more on this game being rushed. I went back and played ME2 recently. Everything about that game just felt polished. The animations, the dialogue, even the combat just felt better, like it had another layer of paint that made it smooth.

Modifié par RiptideX1090, 24 août 2012 - 04:18 .

[JamieCOTC]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

You say this, but your yet to see how many customers you have lost.

They had their chance with the EC.

I look forward to seeing how much DLC comes out for Mass Effect 3. I would not be surprised if they don't even bother after Omega.

I think it will depend on how well Leviathan does, but yeah, a lot might be planned, but I expect them to cut their losses after two or three paid SP DLCs. 

On topic, I never bought IT myself, but it is interesting to discuss.  The only downside is that it's a reminder that the ending was so bad people refused to believe it.

[shepdog77]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Clevernoob is just grasping for straws.

He's likely doing this so that way he can get more views on his mass effect videos for another couple months.

[StElmo]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

StElmo wrote...


Neither, hopefully that will convince them to retcon in ME4 or a larger DLC as damage control to stop the ME secondary world being so god damn leaky.

I doubt it. Unless you want to play an ME4 where everything will be Synthesis, apparently, if you go by what Merizan says.

She is a community manager not a writer don;t give up yet.

[Kel Riever]

Chris Priestly wrote...

 While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

That's a shame, only because Mass Effect 3 could use an actual ending that matters.

DOH!

[Wayning_Star]

RussianZombeh wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

Lots of the ITers, myself included, believe in IT con.

This theory states that the end sequence is not a dream, but reapers are attempting to indoctrinate shepard during the citadel section and the beam part.

If he chooses synthesis or control ,then he has become indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, all reapers are dead and he breaths, on the citadel.

Can you disprove that?

You didn't answer my question, the fact that indoctrination starts at the beam goes against the lore setup in ME1 that Indoctrination is a sllllooooowwwwww process,

RussianZombeh wrote...

The VI can't detect Indoctrination taking place, it can only detect
actual Indoctrination. That's why it didn't detect Shepard as
Indoctrinated.

That's a pretty weak argument, thats like saying an xray scanner can't pick up a little bit of cancer but a large part of cancer, and technology in the future is WAY more advanced than today's medical equipment

You're comparing Indoctrination, something in the mind that isn't physical to CANCER... something that is physically visible on/in the body?

Worst comparison ever. Cancer is nothing like Indoctrination.

The scanners picks up the 'train of thought processes' and relies on super computed future ideals from the data. They can spot it with damages and alterations in the brain waves and computer project the probablility of indoctrination as it directly affect those through it's process of 'training' the recipient. High output brain washing on a 'read the mind' type of scanning. Similar to what the Military tests piolots with thought controlled aircraft simulations. Bio engineering.

the scan would spot even the slightes variations in the brain of the scannee.

[Baa Baa]

shepdog77 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Clevernoob is just grasping for straws.

He's likely doing this so that way he can get more views on his mass effect videos for another couple months.

That's what I thought.
I thought the new Documentary he made was entertaining to watch, but near the last 20 minutes it just started to get really weird. All he talked about was rebirthing Retake Mass Effect 3 and about Project X (which I think is bs he made up).

[Wayning_Star]

Kel Riever wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

 While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

That's a shame, only because Mass Effect 3 could use an actual ending that matters.

DOH!

yep...pretty wells sucks root..that..grrr Why did they DO that?!?

[RatedHForHuey]

This forum needs to be deleted before the higher ups realize it's here.

[StElmo]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

 While there is more DLC for both Single and Multiplayer still to come, there is no more "endings" DLC.

That's a shame, only because Mass Effect 3 could use an actual ending that matters.

DOH!

yep...pretty wells sucks root..that..grrr Why did they DO that?!?

We may never know why they just started ignoring the issues and now are adamant to keep this "ending" but it sure is depressing.

[Wayning_Star]

Flog61 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Flog61 wrote...

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

I can't be arsed watching the whole 1 hour 47 minutes but answer me this

If Shepard was Indoctrinated then why didn't the Prothean VI pick up that he was indoctrinated given that he was clearly able to sense that Kai Lang and The Illusive Man were indeed indoctrinated yet doesn't see Shepard like this, furthermore its stated that the Indoctrination process is slow so if there were stages of indoctrination the VI would have noted that.

It's seems like a pretty big plot hole in the IT, does this guy explain this?

Lots of the ITers, myself included, believe in IT con.

This theory states that the end sequence is not a dream, but reapers are attempting to indoctrinate shepard during the citadel section and the beam part.

If he chooses synthesis or control ,then he has become indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, all reapers are dead and he breaths, on the citadel.

Can you disprove that?

questions yet to be answered by IT fans: Why did TIM (the indoctrinated man) bring Shepard back from the dead? Why did the (indoctrinated)collector ship fire on the Normady? Why did (indoctrinated) Shepard even fight that last run to the citadel beam? Why did (indoctrinatable of) we play the enitre ME3 game?

...Did you read my post?

I believe that all of the things are really happening, and shepard is never 'indoctrinated' during the end sequence, until right at the last minute if you choose synthesis or control.

None of your questions are relevant to what i believe.


If you want IT-dream answers to those questions, go ask them at the IT thread. No-one's stopping you.

You cannot be two places at once AND you cannot demand a choice or the others require destroy as canon...

What do you mean 2 places at once? Shepard's breath scene occurs on the citadel

OF free will AND indoctrinated.. you have to be one, or the other. Sheps actions belie the IT..sorry.

[shepdog77]

I mean c'mon people, the guy's name is CleverNoob. Has anyone ever meet a noob that was clever? Ever?

[RiptideX1090]

JamieCOTC wrote...

I think it will depend on how well Leviathan does, but yeah, a lot might be planned, but I expect them to cut their losses after two or three paid SP DLCs. 

I beat ME 35 times. I beat ME2 just as many.

I barely have it in me to start up one of my FemSheps for ME3, of which I have several. I have been a member of this community since before BSN. I have done art, stories, you name it. I have all the DLC, even the weapons and AA outfits.

And I don't even know if I have it in me to wade through Leviathan. Or Omega. What is the point if it always ends in completely invalidating the peace between the geth and quarians? Or if Shepard dies so he can enslave the Reapers and subjugate the galaxy? Or if everyone is just going to be mind raped, making husks alive and what have you?

What is the point of helping that damn sueberry Aria take back her pisshole of a station? Why bother finding Leviathan if he's just going to die at the end of all my games?

I just don't see how these DLCs can be successful... There is no point.

Modifié par RiptideX1090, 24 août 2012 - 04:26 .