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[Spicen]

@Chris- Really man ur being biased here. If people have the right to kill Anders, we should have the option to kill Leliana too. If u dont like killing her, then dont.

@Berelinde- i would be satisfied with her not being in the game but i would pay 20 dollars if theres a dlc that allows me to either kill her or at the very least hear that she has died in a battle somwhere. Then i would be really satisfied.

[Emzamination]

Cutlass Jack wrote...


Yeah but you skipped over the part when I mentioned after it was dealt with. Awakening had an ending. The warden was no longer dealing with them.

He (or she) saved Ferelden twice from the darkspawn in one lifetime. More than most Wardens ever do. He earned a little R&R dealing with something a little more 'mortal.'

Refer to your own quote. He already dealt with the blight's evil, he can chase a mortal goal or two. Not to mention that he spent most of his time sticking his nose in such things while actually dealing with the blight.

It doesn't mean he has to, but mine certainly would. He never wanted to be a warden, and Leliana is not one. He wouldn't force that life on anyone.

Yes but the warden was doing all that mutant darkspawn slaying while she was in val royeaux sipping tea with the divine.The warden's business was far more dire at the time and she should've been there.

Can't argue with that

Substitute blight with Dragon god war/Demonic breach and the wardens priorities are once again reprioritized

No rest for the weary

hhh89 wrote...


They're still not on the Warden's side,
even Alistair as a Warden. And I remember that Leliana said something
about the Warden too, if you romanced her.

They are not physically, yes but they do reaffirm that the relationship is ongoing which is more than leliana can say


Edit: Hmmm seems all the quotes got cut... au well not writing that again -.- sorry hhh

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 août 2012 - 03:52 .

[Emzamination]

bleetman wrote...

So, basically, their leaving to Do Other Things is somehow not the same as Leliana Doing Other Things because, y'know, reasons.

I see.

Emzamination wrote...

You can not just walk off and leave your significant other as you please, blight or no.Where the warden goes, his/her lover is obligated to follow if not for combat purposes than morale.

Funny. I distinctly remember Alistair doing just that for no other reason than because I opted not to run Loghain through with a sword.

But no yeah, he's totally a paragon of loyalty.

I suppose I could also ask why Leliana is obligated to follow the Warden, but the Warden doesn't have to accompany her in her Kirkwall-y adventures, but I suspect I wouldn't care for the answer.

So you side with the man that indirectly led to the death of your lovers mentor/father figure which he expresses many times hurt him deeply and you're appauled he up and left you? Why aren't you a beacon of Justice and loveliness

[Spicen]

Emzamination wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...


Yeah but you skipped over the part when I mentioned after it was dealt with. Awakening had an ending. The warden was no longer dealing with them.

He (or she) saved Ferelden twice from the darkspawn in one lifetime. More than most Wardens ever do. He earned a little R&R dealing with something a little more 'mortal.'

Refer to your own quote. He already dealt with the blight's evil, he can chase a mortal goal or two. Not to mention that he spent most of his time sticking his nose in such things while actually dealing with the blight.

It doesn't mean he has to, but mine certainly would. He never wanted to be a warden, and Leliana is not one. He wouldn't force that life on anyone.

Yes but the warden was doing all that mutant darkspawn slaying while she was in val royeaux sipping tea with the divine.The warden's business was far more dire at the time and she should've been there.

Can't argue with that

Substitute blight with Dragon god war/Demonic breach and the wardens priorities are once again reprioritized

No rest for the weary

hhh89 wrote...


They're still not on the Warden's side,
even Alistair as a Warden. And I remember that Leliana said something
about the Warden too, if you romanced her.

They are not physically, yes but they do reaffirm that the relationship is ongoing which is more than leliana can say

Emzamination, thanx for lending some weight in the thread i was beginning to run out of ideas trying to convince Chris all day.

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...



They are not physically, yes but they do reaffirm that the relationship is ongoing which is more than leliana can say


Edit: Hmmm seems all the quotes got cut... au well not writing that again -.- sorry hhh

Alistair as a Warden said that hte Warden is the love of his life. That doesn't mean that they're together. And again, Leliana said something similar.
The only LI which should be in a stable relationship with the Warden is Alistair as King. In the other cases the lover might meet from time to time, or not meet at all. By your logic, Morrigan doesn't love the Warden, since she fled right after the battle and they meet after years.

[Cutlass Jack]

Emzamination wrote...

Yes but the warden was doing all that mutant darkspawn slaying while she was in val royeaux sipping tea with the divine.The warden's business was far more dire at the time and she should've been there.

Can't argue with that

As should have Zevran and Alistair right? I mean what's dealing with politics or an old guild compared to dealing with mutant darkspawn? Hell one of those actually was a warden. And don't get me started about your dog running off to make puppies. Man's best friend indeed.

You can't fault any of them for Bioware being to lazy to put them there. At least Leliana's letter implied a desire to get there and assist. She even asked you to save her a few darkspawn.

[berelinde]

If you're trying to convince TheChris92, you're going to need more than a day. He's pretty determined.

We all want to see more of our favorites. For me, that's Alistair, Anders, Zevran, and Sigrun. None of us want to see the characters we don't like again. For me, that's Leliana, Wynne, and Oghren. Somebody else will have the same NPCs, but in opposite groups. You can't please everybody.

Maybe it is better to just skip the cameos entirely.

[Cutlass Jack]

berelinde wrote...

Maybe it is better to just skip the cameos entirely.

This is my stance on it honestly. Especially with old LIs, since the person they're romancing isn't coming back with them. As much as Isabela is my favorite companion of all time, I'd never want her showing up if I couldn't play Hawke. I'd rather be left my memories than have them get messed up just for a cameo.

Not liking someone is fair enough. I think the objection is more people wanting cameos purely so they can kill them again.

[Emzamination]

hhh89 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...



They are not physically, yes but they do reaffirm that the relationship is ongoing which is more than leliana can say


Edit: Hmmm seems all the quotes got cut... au well not writing that again -.- sorry hhh

Alistair as a Warden said that hte Warden is the love of his life. That doesn't mean that they're together. And again, Leliana said something similar.
The only LI which should be in a stable relationship with the Warden is Alistair as King. In the other cases the lover might meet from time to time, or not meet at all. By your logic, Morrigan doesn't love the Warden, since she fled right after the battle and they meet after years.

Yes it does

Zevran states he's commited to the warden In Da2 and the warden has the option to follow morrigan through the eluvian whose time frame has been retconned).

[berelinde]

Cutlass Jack wrote...
As much as Isabela is my favorite companion of all time, I'd never want her showing up if I couldn't play Hawke. I'd rather be left my memories than have them get messed up just for a cameo.

This, so much.

... Except that I'm more of an Anders fan than an Isabela fan. I do like her! She's definitely my favorite female in DA2, and I romance her about 25% of the time, but when I think of "my" Hawke with somebody, he's with Anders. But yeah, the future that exists in your head for them is better than a 3-minute cameo in the next game.

[Xilizhra]

berelinde wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...
 I'm sure people who dislike Anders would do the same. 

You're joking, right?

On any given day, there are probably 50 "I loved killing Anders" posts (a conservative estimate). Many of them go on to say how they have been looking forward to doing so since the first time he opened his mouth, or even since Awakening. Really, if you want people sickened by Leliana to just ignore her, you had better use some other example. The forums would literally burst into flames if dead!Anders came back.

At this point, we've seen enough Leliana. She had her time as a companion. She had her time as the protagonist. She had her cameos, her guest apperances, and her correspondence. Her appearance in the next thing would really be too much. Unless it's as a villain. That would actually make good RP sense for those who choose to oppose the chantry, and if she is as skilled as her fans say, she might even merit "boss battle" status.

Eh. She acted against the templars in Asunder. Really, her presence in the next game would be quite appropriate, given its content, and could be rather interesting. Especially if we could hear anything more about her relationship with the Hero of Ferelden. It'd be far better than a couple of DLC cameos, which weren't worth much.

[jwalker]

Spicen wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Spicen wrote...
So yeah, i killed leliana in my DAO playthrough however that hary queen was kept alive by bioware(possibly pinches of andraste's ashes were dropped on leliana accidentally) becoz of canon. Please BW give the fans a chance to finally put the harpy queen to bed?!?

Every time you misspell, the Maker resurrects a Leliana. 

Are you kidding?
This is a forum, i couldn't care less if i make mistakes.

That's as obvious as it is irrelevant.

Spicen wrote...
It is not an English Language examination.

Very few places in the world are, and yet most people try their best to properly communicate

Just because you're not attending to a fashion modeling event it doesn't mean you should go around with stinky clothes or no clothes at all.

[Emzamination]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Yes but the warden was doing all that mutant darkspawn slaying while she was in val royeaux sipping tea with the divine.The warden's business was far more dire at the time and she should've been there.

Can't argue with that

As should have Zevran and Alistair right? I mean what's dealing with politics or an old guild compared to dealing with mutant darkspawn? Hell one of those actually was a warden. And don't get me started about your dog running off to make puppies. Man's best friend indeed.

You can't fault any of them for Bioware being to lazy to put them there. At least Leliana's letter implied a desire to get there and assist. She even asked you to save her a few darkspawn.

king Alistair is excused as some banns could decided to get uppity secede and from the kingdom, can't have that.Zevran was chasing old grudges, he should've been there as well.No more mabari <_< where are the cats?

Point taken there

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[Spicen]

berelinde wrote...

If you're trying to convince TheChris92, you're going to need more than a day. He's pretty determined.

We all want to see more of our favorites. For me, that's Alistair, Anders, Zevran, and Sigrun. None of us want to see the characters we don't like again. For me, that's Leliana, Wynne, and Oghren. Somebody else will have the same NPCs, but in opposite groups. You can't please everybody.

Maybe it is better to just skip the cameos entirely.

Hey you forgot Morri.

[Emzamination]

Spicen wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...


Yeah but you skipped over the part when I mentioned after it was dealt with. Awakening had an ending. The warden was no longer dealing with them.

He (or she) saved Ferelden twice from the darkspawn in one lifetime. More than most Wardens ever do. He earned a little R&R dealing with something a little more 'mortal.'

Refer to your own quote. He already dealt with the blight's evil, he can chase a mortal goal or two. Not to mention that he spent most of his time sticking his nose in such things while actually dealing with the blight.

It doesn't mean he has to, but mine certainly would. He never wanted to be a warden, and Leliana is not one. He wouldn't force that life on anyone.

Yes but the warden was doing all that mutant darkspawn slaying while she was in val royeaux sipping tea with the divine.The warden's business was far more dire at the time and she should've been there.

Can't argue with that

Substitute blight with Dragon god war/Demonic breach and the wardens priorities are once again reprioritized

No rest for the weary

hhh89 wrote...


They're still not on the Warden's side,
even Alistair as a Warden. And I remember that Leliana said something
about the Warden too, if you romanced her.

They are not physically, yes but they do reaffirm that the relationship is ongoing which is more than leliana can say

Emzamination, thanx for lending some weight in the thread i was beginning to run out of ideas trying to convince Chris all day.

No problem, always happy to indirectly be of service

[bleetman]

Emzamination wrote...

So you side with the man that indirectly led to the death of your lovers mentor/father figure which he expresses many times hurt him deeply and you're appauled he up and left you? Why aren't you a beacon of Justice and loveliness

Funny, I don't remember Riordan doing any of that. Must've slipped my memory.

[Emzamination]

bleetman wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

So you side with the man that indirectly led to the death of your lovers mentor/father figure which he expresses many times hurt him deeply and you're appauled he up and left you? Why aren't you a beacon of Justice and loveliness

Funny, I don't remember Riordan doing any of that. Must've slipped my memory.

Riordan wasn't at ostagar or hunted across ferelden as part of a cover up for an injustice.That bit of insight seems to have slipped the ol'noggin as well. :innocent:

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...



Yes it does

Zevran states he's commited to the warden In Da2 and the warden has the option to follow morrigan through the eluvian whose time frame has been retconned).

Again, he said she's the love of his life and that she fancies that stuff. He didn's stay that they are together, though I think they are, but that doesn't mean that they're living together. They might work in two differen nations, so it could be the same as Leliana.
Don't know well about Zevran, but did he said that he was togethere with her? Zevran doesn't want to have sex even if the Warden is dead, if I recall well.
And no matter how much the time fram is retconned, at least one year passed between DAO and WH, and Morrigan wasn't present at Vigil's Keep, as Alistair and Zevran. Again, what's the difference from Leliana?

berelinde wrote...

If you're trying to convince TheChris92, you're going to need more than a day. He's pretty determined.

We
all want to see more of our favorites. For me, that's Alistair, Anders,
Zevran, and Sigrun. None of us want to see the characters we don't like
again. For me, that's Leliana, Wynne, and Oghren. Somebody else will
have the same NPCs, but in opposite groups. You can't please everybody.

Maybe it is better to just skip the cameos entirely.

That's my opinion for every characters, favourite or not.
And while I disliked Anders in DA2, if he'd have lived whatever happened in DA2, I'd have wanted to see him in DA3, even though not as a companion (and not for the possibility to kill him).

[bleetman]

Emzamination wrote...

Riordan wasn't at ostagar or hunted across ferelden as part of a cover up for an injustice.

Irrelevant.

[LobselVith8]

Spicen wrote...

So yeah, i killed leliana in my DAO playthrough however that hary queen was kept alive by bioware(possibly pinches of andraste's ashes were dropped on leliana accidentally) becoz of canon. Please BW give the fans a chance to finally put the harpy queen to bed?!?

I didn't kill Leliana or Wynne in Origins, but I can see why some people would want to kill them after what was said in "Faith" and how Wynne betrayed the mages for years until Asunder. If Leliana stands in the way of maintaining autonomy for the mages, the choice has already been made.

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...

So you side with the man that indirectly led to the death of your lovers mentor/father figure which he expresses many times hurt him deeply and you're appauled he up and left you? Why aren't you a beacon of Justice and loveliness

In my main playthrough I killed Loghain because he was probably allied with Howe before Ostagar, and because I think he agreed with Howe's plan to destroy the Cousland (my main PC is a HN Warden), and I killed him in some other playthrough because he was a backstabbet and tried to kill you many times, but in other playthroughs I spared him. Riordan wasn't completely wrong. The more Warden, the better. And if Alistair knew about the reason why only a Warden could kill an archdemon, I think that he might have (reluctantly) agreed on the ritual (at least if hardened).

[The Elder King]

LobselVith8 wrote...



I didn't kill Leliana or Wynne in Origins, but I can see why some people would want to kill them after what was said in "Faith" and how Wynne betrayed the mages for years until Asunder. If Leliana stands in the way of maintaining autonomy for the mages, the choice has already been made.

How exacty did Wynne betray the mages (it's a real question, I'm not mocking you)?
And I suspect that many people hated Leliana and wanted to kill her before or regardless of what's said in Faith. I was disappointed that she joined the Chantry even if hardened (and Faith anf the mages aren't involved with my disappointment).

Modifié par hhh89, 28 août 2012 - 04:58 .

[LolaLei]

I'm not gonna kill her, she's given me no reason to want to. I like keeping all the companions past and present alive where possible.

[Xilizhra]

hhh89 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...



I didn't kill Leliana or Wynne in Origins, but I can see why some people would want to kill them after what was said in "Faith" and how Wynne betrayed the mages for years until Asunder. If Leliana stands in the way of maintaining autonomy for the mages, the choice has already been made.

How exacty did Wynne betray the mages (it's a real question, I'm not mocking you)?
And I suspect that many people hated Leliana and wanted to kill her before or regardless of what's said in Faith. I was disappointed that she joined the Chantry even if hardened (and Faith anf the mages aren't involved with my disappointment).

Well, trying to prevent them from attaining freedom.

[TheChris92]

Spicen wrote...

@Chris- Really man ur being biased here. If people have the right to kill Anders, we should have the option to kill Leliana too. If u dont like killing her, then dont.

Hello pot, my name is kettle. You're black! 
I'm simply trying to understand why you want to kill her, beyond your own general dislike of the character. There are plenty of characters you don't get to kill, genius, so why should Leliana suddenly be different? Because she appears in the sequel like Anders did? I don't think you understand what I'm talking about, so like I said before. I'm done with you and for the last time. Don't bother replying to me again, do you understand that?

Modifié par TheChris92, 28 août 2012 - 05:32 .