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[TheChris92]

berelinde wrote...

If you're trying to convince TheChris92, you're going to need more than a day. He's pretty determined.

D'aaaw, same to you. You little rascal, thanks for the compliment

[TheChris92]

berelinde wrote...

You're joking, right?

On any given day, there are probably 50 "I loved killing Anders" posts (a conservative estimate). Many of them go on to say how they have been looking forward to doing so since the first time he opened his mouth, or even since Awakening.

I'm always joking... except for the part where I am not

Really? I'm pretty certain I remember people preferring his character in Awakening, meaning they actually liked him in Awakening. This is of course just an assumption, but whatever, just because some people can't tolerate a character so they have to kill him doesn't mean you have to feel the same. But that's your business.

Modifié par TheChris92, 28 août 2012 - 05:18 .

[Emzamination]

hhh89 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...



Yes it does

Zevran
states he's commited to the warden In Da2 and the warden has the option
to follow morrigan through the eluvian whose time frame has been
retconned).

Again, he said she's the love of his
life and that she fancies that stuff. He didn's stay that they are
together, though I think they are, but that doesn't mean that they're
living together. They might work in two differen nations, so it could be
the same as Leliana.
Don't know well about Zevran, but did he said
that he was togethere with her? Zevran doesn't want to have sex even if
the Warden is dead, if I recall well.
And no matter how much the time
fram is retconned, at least one year passed between DAO and WH, and
Morrigan wasn't present at Vigil's Keep, as Alistair and Zevran. Again,
what's the difference from Leliana?

Nay,
he said she finds stuff like that everywhere she goes, implying the
relationship is still going.You could be right, leliana and the warden
might be working in two different nations and she could've looked sad
just thinking of him/her.

Zevran says turns down sex if in a
romance by stating the warden wouldn't like that and he's comitted to
her.He then goes on to say that he's traveling to where the warden is
because they haven't seen each other in a long time.

What is the official time on wh now?

bleetman wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Riordan wasn't at ostagar or hunted across ferelden as part of a cover up for an injustice.

Irrelevant.

I dunno bout that... So you think Riordan would feel as deeply hearing all the accounts through heresay than Alistair who lived through and witnessed all these events firsthand?

Modifié par Emzamination, 28 août 2012 - 05:20 .

[The Elder King]

Xilizhra wrote...


Well, trying to prevent them from attaining freedom.

SPOILER




I saw now about that. I didn't know that (I didn't read Asunder, only know what happens).

[The Elder King]

Emzamination wrote...



Nay,
he said she finds stuff like that everywhere she goes, implying the
relationship is still going.You could be right, leliana and the warden
might be working in two different nations and she could've looked sad
just thinking of him/her.

Zevran says turns down sex if in a
romance by stating the warden wouldn't like that and he's comitted to
her.He then goes on to say that he's traveling to where the warden is
because they haven't seen each other in a long time.

What is the official time on wh now?

Did you mean the timeline of DA? I don't know well, but I think only Awakening isn't placed well, since if should've happened around 9 months after Origins (because of Felsi's child), but Anders's presence in Act 1 screwed that.
Anyway, Morrigan isn't pregnant anymore in WH, so 9 months should've passed at least from Origins. Considering that Awakening ang GoA happened, it'll be at leasta year.

[mousestalker]

In re: Anders

An awful lot of fanfic features Anders in a non-being killed way. For whatever it's worth, Anders is a popular character to write about.

[TheChris92]

simfamSP wrote...

Oh no you're not! Still, you have a point there skeptical Fry, but the reason they are fictional tends to push people into doing what the hell they want.

A little bit of the two, no?

Oh, believe me, I thought I was... many, many, times. So I'm gonna try again, and let this be my final post and if not then I'll slap myself on the wrist.

I just don't see the point of it as BioWare could alternatively set their focus on other issues that would make the game more fun, no? Sure, more options for role-playing is always nice, but there is a limit to how much freedom you grant the player. It's not like character needs to take a leak every now and then, or cook food for companions or other trivial things, right? I mean is that what DA3 needs to draw people in?  
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, done. For realz

Modifié par TheChris92, 28 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[Spicen]

TheChris92 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Oh no you're not! Still, you have a point there skeptical Fry, but the reason they are fictional tends to push people into doing what the hell they want.

A little bit of the two, no?

Oh, believe me, I thought I was... many, many, times. So I'm gonna try again, and let this be my final post and if not then I'll slap myself on the wrist.

I just don't see the point of it as BioWare could alternatively set their focus on other issues that would make the game more fun, no? Sure, more options for role-playing is always nice, but there is a limit to how much freedom you grant the player. It's not like character needs to take a leak every now and then, or cook food for companions or other trivial things, right? I mean is that what DA3 needs to draw people in?  
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, done. For realz

Why cant the option be available, just because she is your favourite NPC, well morrigan was mine yet bioware gave the stabbing option. In Da 2 u can watch a mad woman kill ur sister infront of u and not do anything about it.....or u can just do it yourself. Why shud be ur dear leliana be different? The option has to be there, and about limitations just play Skyrim u can kill almost every adult u meet. So yeah BW would do well to provide the option.

[Fallstar]

The option might be nice, depending on just how involved with the chantry she has become. People tend to think about it as if you're still playing your Warden; we aren't. The PC in DA3 probably has few to no ties to Leliana, so it's not like you're killing a friend. As an agent of the Divine, the story might call for her death if you side with the separatist Templars. Who knows.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I fully support this. She should be like a boss or something.

[SirGladiator]

I like Leliana, I want her to always be around, and if she goes out it should be retiring as a hero, and her younger sister, who just happens to look like her and sound exactly like her, becomes one of our new teammates, so that we're never truly Leliana-less. I don't have a problem with any character being 'killable' in the game per se, so long as it works like in DAO and it gets completely ignored in future storylines, its just there as an option for the very few people that want it. Certainly its an option I would never use under any circumstances, as Leliana is way too awesome for that.

[Iakus]

 I wouldn't want to put her to bed, she's with the Warden <3   And we'll be playing new charac...

::whisperwhisperwhisper::
Oh.  Oh my, that's even worse. 

Modifié par iakus, 29 août 2012 - 11:07 .

[jackofalltrades456]

iakus wrote...

 I wouldn't want to put her to bed, she's with the Warden <3   And we'll be playing new charac...

::whisperwhisperwhisper::
Oh.  Oh my, that's even worse. 

David Gaider is a bit better on romances than the Mass Effect team so i wouldn't expect something as awful as the Jacob Taylor romance from ME3. That being said, I still don't see much coming out of it in the third Dragon age.

[Anvos]

Spicen wrote...

Anvos wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

So too, who's to say that there isn't anyone else in Thedas who has had a similar experience. We may not have met them yet, or uncovered their journals and records. Just because we haven't heard of any other Maker-mortal conversations doesn't mean that they haven't happened. 

Even if you accept the maker talked to andraste and not the other leading theory on andraste there is the other option where there have been many others with visions from the maker and their accountings like the books providing the evidence andraste was just an apostate abomination ended up being barbqued by the chantry or used as an alternate fuel source for burning hertics and blood mages.

Not to mention that its really the guardian who is the hypocrit (and overly judgemental) when he thinks Andraste could hear the maker yet nobody else ever has been as special of a flower as her.  In the end he is just a fanatical guardian of the chantry who realizes that if the maker interacts with more than one person then their whole claim of the maker turning his back on the world falls apart, which in return shatters one of the core beliefs of the chantry that tries to give their worship of an apostate abomination validity.

The guardian is a hypocrite..........oh i get it ur an atheist. Well then lets dance

• Can u explain why he is surviving for thousands of years and no dont use oghren's theory as excuse. There is a tev. statue who says that the maker will come to light the fires......clearly proves that the maker exists it was the maker and not lyrium that gave the ashes powerful attribute.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The chantry is not a lie, if u played legacy ull find the darkspawn saying that they went to the golden city but suddenly found that it got black. This explains the chantry theory.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The guardian's power to see through the people's minds and reflect their pasts shows that he is no normal chantry "hypocrite" he really has maker-given powers and no he is no blood mage or he wuda used it in his fight.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The spirits in the gaunlet tells some of the war scene and show that Andraste was really an important figure to the maker and not some hypocrite like Leliana.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The guardian didnt think he knew that andraste spoke with the maker and on the other hand he cud easily see that Leliana wanted to make herself important by saying that she had visions of the maker. Leliana was unable to reply.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• If andraste was an abomination the last thing she wud do is rebel against the Tevinter.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• By the way, the chantry is also right about blood mages, coz these guys have the power to tear the veils.

I am patiently waiting for ur reply.

Your Claim of My Atheism

1. Real World you’re absolutely wrong and Atheism is one of the few things I consider the wrong answer to religion. Can’t really give you much more than that on this point.

2. As for the world/universe of DA I take a more agnostic view point currently, where I consider the maker (or at least some form of creator) to be real, but Andraste’s visions (and words “from the maker”) and the claims that the maker has turned away from creation (especially due to anything Tevintar or humanity did) are fake/lies.

3. I also tend towards agnostic when it comes to thedas, since thedas seems somewhat religiously stunted for a world with magic. The pre tevintar barbarians never got beyond worship of pantheons of gods to explain forces of nature or hero/demon worshiping. The elven religion is debatably based around the oldest demons and fade spirits posing as gods. Dwarves chose to believe in their ancestors rather than a true religion, though their society may have had some form of religion in the early days. Qunari have no religion as they have a philosophy that replaces religion. Tevintar chose a system of revering the ancient high dragons that helped empower them and never appeared to develop a true religion beyond a basic belief in a creator. (The chantry will tell you they worshiped the dragons, but that would in itself make the chantry liars if true, since they say the magisters entered the Golden City in an attempt to overthrow the maker. Plus there isn’t enough evidence to suggest that there were only 7 ancient high dragons or that they were anything more than dragons.)

To your Point of His Age

1. Its only been roughly 1,100 years since Andraste’s exalted march as each age is 100 years, were only in the 9th age, there is roughly 150 years of TE separating the death of Andraste and start of the Divine Age, and the first age is supposed to have started with the installment of the first divine in Val Royeux.

2. The guardian’s bound to a powerful magical artifact (the urn and ashes) and thus it is just as explainable through magic, and in Zathrian living for 300 years (possibly could have been far longer if events didn’t force things to change) by being bound to Witherfang we already see proof of concept. Plus Avernus also proves magic can be used to extend one’s life with magic and that took his life from 30 years max to somewhere in the 200s.

3. Not all of his friends died, a large number of them bound themselves to the temple and became the guardian ash wraiths that keep trying to kill you. With that in mind its not really that big of a leap to say he is similar, but is able to maintain a physical form since he is the one linked to the Urn.

To Your Point On the Golden City

1. You missed a few words there that make a world of difference. Corpyheous states that the Golden City was already black on the inside when they arrived. Plus it’s a bit vague but he also implies the magisters were misled about what they would find in the Golden City. This already throws into doubt one of the key tenants of the chantry that the magisters caused the corruption of the Golden City and instead the corruption was already there and they only brought the blight back by accident and not some punishment that made the maker turn away.

As for what the blight is if not the punishment of the maker. Here is my belief, the creation myth says the maker first made the fade, the golden city, and the creatures of the fade, but the original fade beings only mirrored the golden city (this makes sense as before the physical plane the only thing that had true meaning (since it is the only stable thing within the fade, beyond the formless essence of the fade beings) was the Golden City. A reflection is never 100% the same as the object it is reflecting however, and over time as newer fade beings came into existence some of them began mirroring mirrors of the Golden City and not the Golden City itself and over time (well not the best word but closest fit for meaning) the process continued and the image became more and more distorted until it created something you’d never recognize as the original image, and thus the corruption that caused the divide between the fade spirits and demons was born. At some “time” later the maker takes an observation of his creation and expels the fade demons and spirits and then attempts to seal off the Golden City from the rest of the fade in an attempt to stop the spread of the corruption, but the corruption had already taken root in the Golden City. Thus later on when the magisters find a way to make a physical body not only enter the fade (likely has something to do with needing a physical form to overcome the forces keeping spirits out of the Golden City) but the Golden City the magisters were exposed to the corruption and when the magic holding their physical form in the fade ended the corruption was brought back with them and became the blight. From there some of the magisters then go to Dumat’s lair to inquire what was happening and why they hadn’t warned them and accidentally spread the taint to Dumat, and then the rest is history.

The Statue

1. I’m not actually sure how this has anything to do with the Urn of Sacred Ashes or how it proves anything related to Andraste or her ashes. That statement is pretty much a more elegant way of saying she and the other statued people are likely to remain trapped this way until the end of time.

2. Even if the wiki is right that devs have said her prophecies will come true, the truth is the only reason they’re likely to come true is that they’re such vague gibberish that they can be interpreted as fulfilled billions of different ways.

The Guardian and His Power(s)

1. He is clearly bound to the Urn of Sacred Ashes and not empowered by the maker himself. If he was empowered by the maker if anything his power should have increased when you desecrate the Urn due to divine fury, but in that outcome he is badly hurt and weakened by the event proving his power is linked to the Urn and not divine granted.

2. The guardian disappears when the Urn is removed from the temple post DAO, which makes sense if he is more spirit than man being kept bound to this plane by the urn.

3. His powers to see into people aren’t much better than the sloth demon in the mage tower, and if he is more of a spirit than man being bound to this plane by a magical artifact that makes it even easier to explain. He obviously can’t read people fully or else he would have told the warden he had to leave the dragon blood behind to be safe, and he can’t read Shale.

4. He didn’t have the power to know if Andraste’s visions and words from the maker were true, he says so because like the rest of Andraste’s original cultists they believed so. As for Lilliana I’m not going to blame her for having her own doubts that she would be worthy to receive a vision from the maker, and its far more suspicious when somebody says “I’m 100% certain my visions and the words I hear are true and that is why you should follow me into waging war on the world’s main superpower”.

Apostate Abomination and Tevintar

1. Demons don’t like to share their toys and don’t like being commanded by others.

2. Powerful mage with an ancient demon to make her seem to have more powerful than her natural talents allow still isn’t going to be able to take over Tevintar from within. In the end she would still be a first generation mage, without a noble house, from a far off imperial colony, and was lacking formal mage schooling, making it unlikely she would ever get the magister senate to confirm her as Hessarian’s successor.

3. The demon could have something against tevinatar, such as she was an ancient desire demon who was one of the ones who lost their position as gods to the elves and was forced to flee from power when tevintar destroyed the Arlathan civilization. I’m saying ancient desire demon as under the apostate abomination theory, it would seem the one of best fit and would explain how Andraste was so alluring and enthralling to others.

Spirits of the Gauntlet

First of all we don’t even know they are truly spirits and not just magical aparations as Genativi states the Temple was designed to keep the unworthy out and would contain many complex traps. Also when you fail to answer one of the chantry dogma riddles it isn’t the “spirit” that attacks you but ash wraiths. Finally some of those people couldn’t have been to the temple as Shartan was dead and if Hessarian or his wife got close to that temple the magister lords would have been all over that temple.

Power of the Urn of Sacred Ashes

If you go with the theory that she was an apostate abomination it provides the simplest answer for Andraste’s “maricles”. Such acts however would require copious amounts of lyrium and with that being kept up for over 5 years of war with the Imperium, by that time her body would likely be completely saturated with lyrium and magical energy (plus being host to a demon or spirit ties one closer to the fade). Then when Andraste was burned at the stake the untapped lyrium and magical energy in her body made the ashes become a sort of wishing powder (like star dust from Legend of the Dragon).

Blood Magic

This is an entirely separate debate, and not really directly related to the Urn. Suffice to say we have seen a few people who use blood magic and weren’t evil or were using it with good intentions, and blood magic does weaken the veil if you try and summon masses of demons, but the main cause of weakening the veil is any mass death and extreme suffering.

Modifié par Anvos, 30 août 2012 - 06:19 .

[Emzamination]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

iakus wrote...

 I wouldn't want to put her to bed, she's with the Warden <3   And we'll be playing new charac...

::whisperwhisperwhisper::
Oh.  Oh my, that's even worse. 

David Gaider is a bit better on romances than the Mass Effect team so i wouldn't expect something as awful as the Jacob Taylor romance from ME3. That being said, I still don't see much coming out of it in the third Dragon age.

Oh maker, if they pull a Jacob, I'll...have wasted my time romancing her in origins

[Cultist]

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

[Emzamination]

Cultist wrote...

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

*Readies sword of mercy* <_< Filthy blood mage

[Spicen]

Anvos wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Anvos wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

So too, who's to say that there isn't anyone else in Thedas who has had a similar experience. We may not have met them yet, or uncovered their journals and records. Just because we haven't heard of any other Maker-mortal conversations doesn't mean that they haven't happened. 

Even if you accept the maker talked to andraste and not the other leading theory on andraste there is the other option where there have been many others with visions from the maker and their accountings like the books providing the evidence andraste was just an apostate abomination ended up being barbqued by the chantry or used as an alternate fuel source for burning hertics and blood mages.

Not to mention that its really the guardian who is the hypocrit (and overly judgemental) when he thinks Andraste could hear the maker yet nobody else ever has been as special of a flower as her.  In the end he is just a fanatical guardian of the chantry who realizes that if the maker interacts with more than one person then their whole claim of the maker turning his back on the world falls apart, which in return shatters one of the core beliefs of the chantry that tries to give their worship of an apostate abomination validity.

The guardian is a hypocrite..........oh i get it ur an atheist. Well then lets dance

• Can u explain why he is surviving for thousands of years and no dont use oghren's theory as excuse. There is a tev. statue who says that the maker will come to light the fires......clearly proves that the maker exists it was the maker and not lyrium that gave the ashes powerful attribute.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The chantry is not a lie, if u played legacy ull find the darkspawn saying that they went to the golden city but suddenly found that it got black. This explains the chantry theory.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The guardian's power to see through the people's minds and reflect their pasts shows that he is no normal chantry "hypocrite" he really has maker-given powers and no he is no blood mage or he wuda used it in his fight.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The spirits in the gaunlet tells some of the war scene and show that Andraste was really an important figure to the maker and not some hypocrite like Leliana.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• The guardian didnt think he knew that andraste spoke with the maker and on the other hand he cud easily see that Leliana wanted to make herself important by saying that she had visions of the maker. Leliana was unable to reply.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• If andraste was an abomination the last thing she wud do is rebel against the Tevinter.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• By the way, the chantry is also right about blood mages, coz these guys have the power to tear the veils.

I am patiently waiting for ur reply.

Your Claim of My Atheism

1. Real World you’re absolutely wrong and Atheism is one of the few things I consider the wrong answer to religion. Can’t really give you much more than that on this point.

2. As for the world/universe of DA I take a more agnostic view point currently, where I consider the maker (or at least some form of creator) to be real, but Andraste’s visions (and words “from the maker”) and the claims that the maker has turned away from creation (especially due to anything Tevintar or humanity did) are fake/lies.

3. I also tend towards agnostic when it comes to thedas, since thedas seems somewhat religiously stunted for a world with magic. The pre tevintar barbarians never got beyond worship of pantheons of gods to explain forces of nature or hero/demon worshiping. The elven religion is debatably based around the oldest demons and fade spirits posing as gods. Dwarves chose to believe in their ancestors rather than a true religion, though their society may have had some form of religion in the early days. Qunari have no religion as they have a philosophy that replaces religion. Tevintar chose a system of revering the ancient high dragons that helped empower them and never appeared to develop a true religion beyond a basic belief in a creator. (The chantry will tell you they worshiped the dragons, but that would in itself make the chantry liars if true, since they say the magisters entered the Golden City in an attempt to overthrow the maker. Plus there isn’t enough evidence to suggest that there were only 7 ancient high dragons or that they were anything more than dragons.)

To your Point of His Age

1. Its only been roughly 1,100 years since Andraste’s exalted march as each age is 100 years, were only in the 9th age, there is roughly 150 years of TE separating the death of Andraste and start of the Divine Age, and the first age is supposed to have started with the installment of the first divine in Val Royeux.

2. The guardian’s bound to a powerful magical artifact (the urn and ashes) and thus it is just as explainable through magic, and in Zathrian living for 300 years (possibly could have been far longer if events didn’t force things to change) by being bound to Witherfang we already see proof of concept. Plus Avernus also proves magic can be used to extend one’s life with magic and that took his life from 30 years max to somewhere in the 200s.

3. Not all of his friends died, a large number of them bound themselves to the temple and became the guardian ash wraiths that keep trying to kill you. With that in mind its not really that big of a leap to say he is similar, but is able to maintain a physical form since he is the one linked to the Urn.

To Your Point On the Golden City

1. You missed a few words there that make a world of difference. Corpyheous states that the Golden City was already black on the inside when they arrived. Plus it’s a bit vague but he also implies the magisters were misled about what they would find in the Golden City. This already throws into doubt one of the key tenants of the chantry that the magisters caused the corruption of the Golden City and instead the corruption was already there and they only brought the blight back by accident and not some punishment that made the maker turn away.

As for what the blight is if not the punishment of the maker. Here is my belief, the creation myth says the maker first made the fade, the golden city, and the creatures of the fade, but the original fade beings only mirrored the golden city (this makes sense as before the physical plane the only thing that had true meaning (since it is the only stable thing within the fade, beyond the formless essence of the fade beings) was the Golden City. A reflection is never 100% the same as the object it is reflecting however, and over time as newer fade beings came into existence some of them began mirroring mirrors of the Golden City and not the Golden City itself and over time (well not the best word but closest fit for meaning) the process continued and the image became more and more distorted until it created something you’d never recognize as the original image, and thus the corruption that caused the divide between the fade spirits and demons was born. At some “time” later the maker takes an observation of his creation and expels the fade demons and spirits and then attempts to seal off the Golden City from the rest of the fade in an attempt to stop the spread of the corruption, but the corruption had already taken root in the Golden City. Thus later on when the magisters find a way to make a physical body not only enter the fade (likely has something to do with needing a physical form to overcome the forces keeping spirits out of the Golden City) but the Golden City the magisters were exposed to the corruption and when the magic holding their physical form in the fade ended the corruption was brought back with them and became the blight. From there some of the magisters then go to Dumat’s lair to inquire what was happening and why they hadn’t warned them and accidentally spread the taint to Dumat, and then the rest is history.

The Statue

1. I’m not actually sure how this has anything to do with the Urn of Sacred Ashes or how it proves anything related to Andraste or her ashes. That statement is pretty much a more elegant way of saying she and the other statued people are likely to remain trapped this way until the end of time.

2. Even if the wiki is right that devs have said her prophecies will come true, the truth is the only reason they’re likely to come true is that they’re such vague gibberish that they can be interpreted as fulfilled billions of different ways.

The Guardian and His Power(s)

1. He is clearly bound to the Urn of Sacred Ashes and not empowered by the maker himself. If he was empowered by the maker if anything his power should have increased when you desecrate the Urn due to divine fury, but in that outcome he is badly hurt and weakened by the event proving his power is linked to the Urn and not divine granted.

2. The guardian disappears when the Urn is removed from the temple post DAO, which makes sense if he is more spirit than man being kept bound to this plane by the urn.

3. His powers to see into people aren’t much better than the sloth demon in the mage tower, and if he is more of a spirit than man being bound to this plane by a magical artifact that makes it even easier to explain. He obviously can’t read people fully or else he would have told the warden he had to leave the dragon blood behind to be safe, and he can’t read Shale.

4. He didn’t have the power to know if Andraste’s visions and words from the maker were true, he says so because like the rest of Andraste’s original cultists they believed so. As for Lilliana I’m not going to blame her for having her own doubts that she would be worthy to receive a vision from the maker, and its far more suspicious when somebody says “I’m 100% certain my visions and the words I hear are true and that is why you should follow me into waging war on the world’s main superpower”.

Apostate Abomination and Tevintar

1. Demons don’t like to share their toys and don’t like being commanded by others.

2. Powerful mage with an ancient demon to make her seem to have more powerful than her natural talents allow still isn’t going to be able to take over Tevintar from within. In the end she would still be a first generation mage, without a noble house, from a far off imperial colony, and was lacking formal mage schooling, making it unlikely she would ever get the magister senate to confirm her as Hessarian’s successor.

3. The demon could have something against tevinatar, such as she was an ancient desire demon who was one of the ones who lost their position as gods to the elves and was forced to flee from power when tevintar destroyed the Arlathan civilization. I’m saying ancient desire demon as under the apostate abomination theory, it would seem the one of best fit and would explain how Andraste was so alluring and enthralling to others.

Spirits of the Gauntlet

First of all we don’t even know they are truly spirits and not just magical aparations as Genativi states the Temple was designed to keep the unworthy out and would contain many complex traps. Also when you fail to answer one of the chantry dogma riddles it isn’t the “spirit” that attacks you but ash wraiths. Finally some of those people couldn’t have been to the temple as Shartan was dead and if Hessarian or his wife got close to that temple the magister lords would have been all over that temple.

Power of the Urn of Sacred Ashes

If you go with the theory that she was an apostate abomination it provides the simplest answer for Andraste’s “maricles”. Such acts however would require copious amounts of lyrium and with that being kept up for over 5 years of war with the Imperium, by that time her body would likely be completely saturated with lyrium and magical energy (plus being host to a demon or spirit ties one closer to the fade). Then when Andraste was burned at the stake the untapped lyrium and magical energy in her body made the ashes become a sort of wishing powder (like star dust from Legend of the Dragon).

Blood Magic

This is an entirely separate debate, and not really directly related to the Urn. Suffice to say we have seen a few people who use blood magic and weren’t evil or were using it with good intentions, and blood magic does weaken the veil if you try and summon masses of demons, but the main cause of weakening the veil is any mass death and extreme suffering.

A very good reply. Im not in the mood for arguments. However, i have to say sth about andraste, could it be flemeth and andraste are the same beings. You know flemeth always has a way to survive and andraste also willingly volunteered for the fire. And well the statue said that the maker will come to LIGHT the fires, so could it be the maker is a dragon and once all the archdemons die , the power of the archdemons will be empowered to the "maker" and maybe the black city is his prison. Many possibilities, just goes to show the potential of DA franchise, it can be a hit if Bioware wants to.

Oh yeah and dont take the atheism comment too seriously though, i happened to be reading a article about a muslim traitor called mossab the same time i read ur comment, and i kinda got over my head. So sorry for that.

[Spicen]

Cultist wrote...

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

I dont hate the chantry really, they have done little wrong except for the Exalted March on the dalish. Its the inquisition/seekers/templars who are wrong.

Anyway it only adds to the number of reasons to kill her.

[Spicen]

Emzamination wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

*Readies sword of mercy* <_< Filthy blood mage

Awww.............come on blood mages aint that bad. its teh demons, i gotn idead, why not tear the veil and do an allout war on teh demons.....................oh wait that sounds like DA 3

[Mr.House]

Cultist wrote...

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

My blood mage and my Dalish elf who hates the chantry romanced her. You where saying?

[Milan92]

 They still haven't locked this thread? 

[Spicen]

Milan92 wrote...

 They still haven't locked this thread? 

Not, everyone is like you, Mr. Milan 92.

Modifié par Spicen, 31 août 2012 - 01:45 .

[Cultist]

Mr.House wrote...
My blood mage and my Dalish elf who hates the chantry romanced her. You where saying?

I'd like to add it would be perfect to kill her after romancing her.
- But you said you loved me!
- Do you really think I will choose you over might and power?

Modifié par Cultist, 31 août 2012 - 06:58 .