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[Spicen]

Cultist wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
My blood mage and my Dalish elf who hates the chantry romanced her. You where saying?

I'd like to add it would be perfect to kill her after romancing her.
- But you said you loved me!
- Do you really think I will choose you over might and power?

Hey culist someone started a thread probably in reply to this one. its called, "I love leliana." There are about 8 or 9 supporters. The things they are saying there is making me nauseate

[Anvos]

Cultist wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
My blood mage and my Dalish elf who hates the chantry romanced her. You where saying?

I'd like to add it would be perfect to kill her after romancing her.
- But you said you loved me!
- Do you really think I will choose you over might and power?

I find it more fun when you successfully trick her into being inlove with a blood mage who is techniqually also a reaver.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Why? What has she done lately to deserve death?

coz shes a self righteous hypocrite and she annoyed me- alot. Maker,this, maker that maker your mother. Geez

What? How?

She's easily the least in-you-face character and has a nice "live and let live" philosophy.

Self-righteous hypocrite? Not seeing it. AT least not in her.
I do see it among many of the haters, who seem to dispaly impossible levels of unreasonable hate...because she's apparently religious and all religious people must die.
What exactly has she done?

I can sorta understand killing Anders. He is possesed, he DID kill a bunch of innocents, start a war and flat out tells you he doesn't regret it. Death is a just punishment. I still didn't enjoy killing him. He just went too far and was too dangerous.

I just don't understand how pople can have so much bile and hate in them for fictional characters..and for such petty reasons. The internets truly does bring out the worst of us.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 31 août 2012 - 09:02 .

[Spicen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Why? What has she done lately to deserve death?

coz shes a self righteous hypocrite and she annoyed me- alot. Maker,this, maker that maker your mother. Geez

What? How?

She's easily the least in-you-face character and has a nice "live and let live" philosophy.

Self-righteous hypocrite? Not seeing it. AT least not in her.
I do see it among many of the haters, who seem to dispaly impossible levels of unreasonable hate...because she's apparently religious and all religious people must die.
What exactly has she done?

So she is no hypocrite, do u think she is truly religious? Obviously most gamers were not paying attention to her. She said that she stayed in the chantry becoz it is easier to hide from marjolaine, not becoz she is devout. I have a hundred more reasons but you Leliana lovers are blind to the obvious fact.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cultist wrote...

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

HEh...I'm religious and support the Church. I?m probably opposed to you on several issues at least.
Wanna kill me too?


What is it with the unrestrained hate?
You'd think that games would promote tolerance, but some just seem to use them as "murder whomever disagrees with me" simulator.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...
So she is no hypocrite, do u think she is truly religious? Obviously most gamers were not paying attention to her. She said that she stayed in the chantry becoz it is easier to hide from marjolaine, not becoz she is devout. I have a hundred more reasons but you Leliana lovers are blind to the obvious fact.

Yes, she is religious. She is devout. It's pretty obious.
She came to the Chantry to hide. That her life changed from that point on is not strange.
I know people who weren't religious but became so. And vice-versa.

Really.
Calling people blind, but not paying even the slightest attention or using your brain.....

[Spicen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...
So she is no hypocrite, do u think she is truly religious? Obviously most gamers were not paying attention to her. She said that she stayed in the chantry becoz it is easier to hide from marjolaine, not becoz she is devout. I have a hundred more reasons but you Leliana lovers are blind to the obvious fact.

Yes, she is religious. She is devout. It's pretty obious.
She came to the Chantry to hide. That her life changed from that point on is not strange.
I know people who weren't religious but became so. And vice-versa.

Really.
Calling people blind, but not paying even the slightest attention or using your brain.....

Oh thats where you are wrong and again you didnt pay attention to her. She said that she didnt even take the initiation that even the least devout priests take(play mage origin) she came and stayed at the chantry to hide.Moreover........

But she wants power via chantry you should be able to see that. She cheated the warden and left on her own quest. Her vision wwas a lie. She knew that by siding with the warden she could become influential which she has. Can u not see it, from a sick excuse for a spy to possibly the Divine of Orlais if DA 3 story plays out that way. She has an important selfish agenda and thats just one of the 1001 reasons to hate her.
If u want more reasons i can give u. since i started this thread it is my duty to try and cconvince u of her true evil nature.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yes, she is religious. She is devout. It's pretty obious.
She came to the Chantry to hide. That her life changed from that point on is not strange.
I know people who weren't religious but became so. And vice-versa.

Really.
Calling people blind, but not paying even the slightest attention or using your brain.....

Oh thats where you are wrong and again you didnt pay attention to her. She said that she didnt even take the initiation that even the least devout priests take(play mage origin) she came and stayed at the chantry to hide.Moreover........

But she wants power via chantry you should be able to see that. She cheated the warden and left on her own quest. Her vision wwas a lie. She knew that by siding with the warden she could become influential which she has. Can u not see it, from a sick excuse for a spy to possibly the Divine of Orlais if DA 3 story plays out that way. She has an important selfish agenda and thats just one of the 1001 reasons to hate her.
If u want more reasons i can give u. since i started this thread it is my duty to try and cconvince u of her true evil nature.

LOL... Spare me you insane conspiracy theories.

You got as much ground to stand on as me claiming that Varric is an agent of the Carta trying to poison the Divine.
Or that  Anders was actually a templar agent that deliberately tried o start a war, because the templars wanted it.

Seriously....

[Cultist]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cultist wrote...

Oh, who cares if she's a hypocrite! She's annoying, supports Chantry and against Blood Magic. Seems enough for me to send her six feet under.

HEh...I'm religious and support the Church. I?m probably opposed to you on several issues at least.
Wanna kill me too?

What is it with the unrestrained hate?
You'd think that games would promote tolerance, but some just seem to use them as "murder whomever disagrees with me" simulator.

Let me remind you, the point is that whole discussion is about fictional computer game character.
And in case you missed it - Dragon Age positioned as a Dark Fantasy. With slavery, demons, blood rituals, racism, genocide, human sacrifice, marauders, religious wars, tortures, assassins and miriad other horrible things. Not much space for tolerance, fluffy bunnies and other hippie stuff.

[YohkoOhno]

Let me remind you, the point is that whole discussion is about fictional computer game character.
And in case you missed it - Dragon Age positioned as a Dark Fantasy. With slavery, demons, blood rituals, racism, genocide, human sacrifice, marauders, religious wars, tortures, assassins and miriad other horrible things. Not much space for tolerance, fluffy bunnies and other hippie stuff.

Then maybe Bioware should go Spec Ops: The Line and make it so if people engage in evil or "dark" behavior, they get punished for it, by making the game experience a downer that promotes guilt feelings and inner reflection.

That would be the true adult way to go--not all this stuff you like Cultist, wanting to play evil characters, have demons in the party, etc. I think the people who want to play the dark side are giving into the stereotypical "power fantasy" stuff.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cultist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
HEh...I'm religious and support the Church. I?m probably opposed to you on several issues at least.
Wanna kill me too?

What is it with the unrestrained hate?
You'd think that games would promote tolerance, but some just seem to use them as "murder whomever disagrees with me" simulator.

Let me remind you, the point is that whole discussion is about fictional computer game character.
And in case you missed it - Dragon Age positioned as a Dark Fantasy. With slavery, demons, blood rituals, racism, genocide, human sacrifice, marauders, religious wars, tortures, assassins and miriad other horrible things. Not much space for tolerance, fluffy bunnies and other hippie stuff.

You're not making any sense.
It's YOU who controls the PC's actions. No one is forcing you to be a evil murder-machine. The game certanly doesn't.

You're basicly saying that playing an evil douche is the only valid way to play the game because it's "dark fantasy".
I don't think you know what dark fantasy really means.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

lol what a ridiculous topic.

I think if Bioware devs make a character based on 'Arian' personality in DA3, 70% of BSN would kill me at the first sight, no matter what have I done and what truth is behind my words in that game.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Yeah well, despite all the claims on how enlightened, cultured and civilized they are, most people are just mindless, judgmental beasts who abuse power on the first occasion.

Now do you understand why I can never trrust a blood mage?

[Cultist]

YohkoOhno wrote...
Then maybe Bioware should go Spec Ops: The Line and make it so if people engage in evil or "dark" behavior, they get punished for it, by making the game experience a downer that promotes guilt feelings and inner reflection.

That would be the true adult way to go--not all this stuff you like Cultist, wanting to play evil characters, have demons in the party, etc. I think the people who want to play the dark side are giving into the stereotypical "power fantasy" stuff.

You miss the point, this is not Dungeon Keeper or Overlord. RPG should have options to be evil, not force playerd to be evil.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
You're not making any sense.
It's YOU who controls the PC's actions. No one is forcing you to be a evil murder-machine. The game certanly doesn't.
You're basicly saying that playing an evil douche is the only valid way to play the game because it's "dark fantasy".
I don't think you know what dark fantasy really means.

No. You control PC, but you control it in a Dark Fantasy setting and have to deal with its realities.
Dragon Age setting is dark, medieval fantasy, and you should not play as a ruthless murderer if you don't want to. BUT. - if a role-playing game have option to be evil and do dark deeds, it's a good role-playing game as heroic and good behaviour of protagonist are there by default. Even in darkest settings there are people who strive for good and honour.
OP asked only for OPTION to kill Leliana, not demanded her death. Then topic shifted to why people want her dead and then further to discussion who's hypocrite and who's not.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cultist, you basicly justify killing her just for "being annoying and supporting the Chantry". Your own words.Then you started talking about it being a Dark Fantasy.

Don't now trys to twist it saying you only wanted an OPTION, because you were justifying TAKING the option, not having it.

[Spicen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yes, she is religious. She is devout. It's pretty obious.
She came to the Chantry to hide. That her life changed from that point on is not strange.
I know people who weren't religious but became so. And vice-versa.

Really.
Calling people blind, but not paying even the slightest attention or using your brain.....

Oh thats where you are wrong and again you didnt pay attention to her. She said that she didnt even take the initiation that even the least devout priests take(play mage origin) she came and stayed at the chantry to hide.Moreover........

But she wants power via chantry you should be able to see that. She cheated the warden and left on her own quest. Her vision wwas a lie. She knew that by siding with the warden she could become influential which she has. Can u not see it, from a sick excuse for a spy to possibly the Divine of Orlais if DA 3 story plays out that way. She has an important selfish agenda and thats just one of the 1001 reasons to hate her.
If u want more reasons i can give u. since i started this thread it is my duty to try and cconvince u of her true evil nature.

LOL... Spare me you insane conspiracy theories.

You got as much ground to stand on as me claiming that Varric is an agent of the Carta trying to poison the Divine.
Or that  Anders was actually a templar agent that deliberately tried o start a war, because the templars wanted it.

Seriously....

You are beyond redemption

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LOL... Spare me you insane conspiracy theories.

You got as much ground to stand on as me claiming that Varric is an agent of the Carta trying to poison the Divine.
Or that  Anders was actually a templar agent that deliberately tried o start a war, because the templars wanted it.

Seriously....

You are beyond redemption

C'mon..We both know you have not a shread of actual evidence to support your claims. Just conjectures.

And if all of this is just an act or joke on your part...well, it ain't funny.

[Spicen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LOL... Spare me you insane conspiracy theories.

You got as much ground to stand on as me claiming that Varric is an agent of the Carta trying to poison the Divine.
Or that  Anders was actually a templar agent that deliberately tried o start a war, because the templars wanted it.

Seriously....

You are beyond redemption

C'mon..We both know you have not a shread of actual evidence to support your claims. Just conjectures.

And if all of this is just an act or joke on your part...well, it ain't funny.

Why coz its your favourite character Leliana and not anders?

And what are you talking about evidence, think for a while seriouly please:
1)She never took the initiation
2)When the warden slew the archdemon she started telling everyone about the ashes, and soon becomes very important in the chantry.
3) Its your love for the character that is making you immune to facts and logic.

[YohkoOhno]

You miss the point, this is not Dungeon Keeper or Overlord. RPG should have options to be evil, not force playerd to be evil.

I don't think a requirement of any RPG is to have the option to role-play an evil character.  Most of the situations and goals of a typical RPG is heroism or at best survival.  

Most of the evil RPG playing is a hold over from old D&D games and the Light/Dark side of the force.  I'm glad Bioware is moving away from that and working on more nuanced game decisions.

[Spicen]

YohkoOhno wrote...

You miss the point, this is not Dungeon Keeper or Overlord. RPG should have options to be evil, not force playerd to be evil.

I don't think a requirement of any RPG is to have the option to role-play an evil character.  Most of the situations and goals of a typical RPG is heroism or at best survival.  

Most of the evil RPG playing is a hold over from old D&D games and the Light/Dark side of the force.  I'm glad Bioware is moving away from that and working on more nuanced game decisions.

Yes and thats the reason "good" and "bisexual romantic" games like DA 2 flopped and evil games like Skyrim hits.

[mousestalker]

Spicen wrote...
Why coz its your favourite character Leliana and not anders?

And what are you talking about evidence, think for a while seriouly please:
1)She never took the initiation
2)When the warden slew the archdemon she started telling everyone about the ashes, and soon becomes very important in the chantry.
3) Its your love for the character that is making you immune to facts and logic.

It's because or possibly 'cause not coz.
His name is Anders.
No one has ever thought seriouly. Ever.
It's, not its.

Proper punctuation is your friend. Really. Punctuation loves you. Why don't you love it?

No one will ever take you seriouly (sic) if you do not learn to use the language properly, English should be your lover, not a streetwalker. Treat it with respect.

As for the merits of your argument, you keep repeating yourself. It's evident that you do not like Leliana. That is your prerogative. Other people do like her. That is their prerogative. You do not get to dictate how they should react to the game.

The worth of an argument or theory is not determined by the length of the thread supporting it. If it were, your points about Leliana would be invalid(388 pages and still going!).

[jackofalltrades456]

Milan92 wrote...

 They still haven't locked this thread? 

Odd, right?

[Spicen]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Milan92 wrote...

 They still haven't locked this thread? 

Odd, right?

Probably because the moderators are not diehard Leliana fans?

[Spicen]

mousestalker wrote...

Spicen wrote...
Why coz its your favourite character Leliana and not anders?

And what are you talking about evidence, think for a while seriouly please:
1)She never took the initiation
2)When the warden slew the archdemon she started telling everyone about the ashes, and soon becomes very important in the chantry.
3) Its your love for the character that is making you immune to facts and logic.

It's because or possibly 'cause not coz.
His name is Anders.
No one has ever thought seriouly. Ever.
It's, not its.

Proper punctuation is your friend. Really. Punctuation loves you. Why don't you love it?

No one will ever take you seriouly (sic) if you do not learn to use the language properly, English should be your lover, not a streetwalker. Treat it with respect.

As for the merits of your argument, you keep repeating yourself. It's evident that you do not like Leliana. That is your prerogative. Other people do like her. That is their prerogative. You do not get to dictate how they should react to the game.

The worth of an argument or theory is not determined by the length of the thread supporting it. If it were, your points about Leliana would be invalid(388 pages and still going!).

However big a thread is it can only show the fans view not the BW staff's view. You really think the fans in the BSN are the only buyers in the world? If so, then you maybe in for a surprise. Bioware are known for twisting plots. Just dont rant if something in DA 3 happens that you Leliana fans dont want. Just make sure you do not say, " Poor writing making the most 'popular' character into a villain, Bioware writers s**ck". Bioware got a bad treatment for the illusive man for making him the villain, and BSN blamed BW for awful writing. The fact is that using the IM was a very good idea, but BSN cracked down on BW for turing a popular character into a villain. It was petty and outright shameful. So, i repeat dont crack down on BW if they make Leliana the antagonist in DA 3.

[Cultist]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Cultist, you basicly justify killing her just for "being annoying and supporting the Chantry". Your own words.Then you started talking about it being a Dark Fantasy.

Don't now trys to twist it saying you only wanted an OPTION, because you were justifying TAKING the option, not having it.

And I stand with my opinion - yes, I think it is perfectly reasonable to to kill those characters who annoy you or support some ideas/people/factions you don't like.
But you took my statement to extremes, like playing for the sake of killing each and every NPC possible.