Fisto The Sexbot wrote...
Well, yeah.. if they gave us an option to kill that character, they shouldn't just bring her back and stuff.
My dislike for Mr. Gaider is limitless.
Spicen wrote...
Listen my man, if bioware continues to ignore player decisions thats the knid of response they will get. Leliana was supposed to be dead, Bioware did not allow me to import this choice. Tell me how you will feel if somebody you hate and killed gets retconned. Maybe Loghain and Fenris. BW ignoring player choices is a big signal of what we are going to see in the future. You will say that the choice i made is insignificant, but slowly more control will be taken from us slowly. As u said, baby steps.
Oh and the thousands of comments from people who enjoyed gutting Anders was very healthy and tasty too.
Modifié par RinjiRenee, 31 août 2012 - 04:37 .
RinjiRenee wrote...
Spicen wrote...
Listen my man, if bioware continues to ignore player decisions thats the knid of response they will get. Leliana was supposed to be dead, Bioware did not allow me to import this choice. Tell me how you will feel if somebody you hate and killed gets retconned. Maybe Loghain and Fenris. BW ignoring player choices is a big signal of what we are going to see in the future. You will say that the choice i made is insignificant, but slowly more control will be taken from us slowly. As u said, baby steps.
Oh and the thousands of comments from people who enjoyed gutting Anders was very healthy and tasty too.
Ok so this is where I point out the difference between you and me.
I don't actively hate fictional characters, even if their personality is grating, or if they're evil, or murderers, or whatever. My character is not me. Sure, I may have my own personal feelings about the story in general, but they are separate from my character's feelings. That is roleplaying.
Anyway. I'm just not seeing this whole BIG SCARY BW TAKING AWAY OUR CHOICES thing that you're getting at. Dragon Age has never been that reactive to my "choices." Sure, I can flip a few plot flags here and there, but I'm always headed towards the vaguely same destination. That's not being critical, as I still enjoy the heck out of the story. If they feel like a character I "killed" is important to progress the story along, then that's their decision to make. Whether or not they explain how the character revived is not up to me, either. I can surely judge, but you're blowing the issue way out of proportion, and frankly, I think you could benefit from backing away and calming down a little. If the issue matters that much to you, I really don't think the Dragon Age series is for you.
inb4 BIOWARE APOLOGIST
Modifié par Spicen, 31 août 2012 - 04:49 .
Spicen wrote...
Yep, if DA 3 turns out to be a BSN type of game i will have to walk away from the franchise.
. You were talking about your accusations, not theirs. People being wrong is still not grounds for a thread closure.Spicen wrote...
One poster, hah!!! there are probably hundreds, you do know in the early stages many agreed with me but as time passed out The Leliana assassins started shooting at me.
Where are you berelinde, Cultist, emzmination, i need ur help here.
mazdatazda wrote...
So this thread is unofficially dead.
Not sharing your homicidal feelings about Leliana or buying into your bizarre conspiracy theory hardly makes one a fanatic.Spicen wrote...
mazdatazda wrote...
So this thread is unofficially dead.
Yep, too many Leliana fanatics to deal withh single handedly. I wish Emzamination, cultist and berelinde was here, the thread was moving so smoothly.
Spicen wrote...
So yeah, i killed leliana in my DAO playthrough however that hary queen was kept alive by bioware(possibly pinches of andraste's ashes were dropped on leliana accidentally) becoz of canon. Please BW give the fans a chance to finally put the harpy queen to bed?!?
Rawgrim wrote...
I don`t hate Leliana one bit. But in my first playthrough she croaked, and thats the save I importet into DA2. So Bioware just retconned my game by slamming her in my face. Thats what I dislike, not the character.
Spicen wrote...
Yep, if DA 3 turns out to be a BSN type of game i will have to walk away from the franchise. Too bad because it was Dragon age Origins which first brought me to bioware. but im pretty confident BW will give an option to kill her. DA 3 will help me to judge whether DA is the right game from me. Strange becoz it was me telling ME 3 fans that ME 3 was a good game and i defended it. But anyways there are plenty other games to look at. Addio rivale.
IMO, no character should be immortal. If you're going to introduce the possibility that death is permanent for one character, death should be permanent for *every* killable character, no matter how much the fanboys complain. Part of every character's development arc is their exit from the story. Leliana's *should* have happened a while ago, since DA:O offered 2 chances to get rid of her, but fanservice being what it is, she had to come back for two DLCs(one of which as the protagonist), a novel, and a DA2 cameo. That's enough curtain calls.
I don't think anyone is advocating that she be immortal, just opposed to the idea that she needs killing now that she's alive.berelinde wrote...
It got to the point where we were going in circles.
Leliana fanboy: "But I wuv her! She should be the star of everything BioWare does! Anyone who doesn't wuv her as much as I do is a very bad person."
Rational human being: "... Right."
Because, really, there's nothing you can say to the kind of "logic" that is based solely on affection.
IMO, no character should be immortal. If you're going to introduce the possibility that death is permanent for one character, death should be permanent for *every* killable character, no matter how much the fanboys complain. Part of every character's development arc is their exit from the story. Leliana's *should* have happened a while ago, since DA:O offered 2 chances to get rid of her, but fanservice being what it is, she had to come back for two DLCs (one of which as the protagonist), a novel, and a DA2 cameo. That's enough curtain calls.
berelinde wrote...
Schmooples? Oh, gods. Justifiable homicide, I tell you!
Why not? If the plot of DA3 involves Seekers and the Chantry, there are going to be some protagonists who want to take down those organizations. As a specialLord Aesir wrote...
I don't think anyone is advocating that she be immortal, just opposed to the idea that she needs killing now that she's alive.
I'm not opposed to her death being part of the story, I just don't see why she needs to die now.berelinde wrote...
Why not? If the plot of DA3 involves Seekers and the Chantry, there are going to be some protagonists who want to take down those organizations. As a specialLord Aesir wrote...
I don't think anyone is advocating that she be immortal, just opposed to the idea that she needs killing now that she's alive.snowflakerepresentative of that organization, odds are good that those characters are going to have to deal with her at some point in a very permanent way. It could even be a boss battle.
Lord Aesir wrote...
I'm not opposed to her death being part of the story, I just don't see why she needs to die now.berelinde wrote...
Why not? If the plot of DA3 involves Seekers and the Chantry, there are going to be some protagonists who want to take down those organizations. As a specialLord Aesir wrote...
I don't think anyone is advocating that she be immortal, just opposed to the idea that she needs killing now that she's alive.snowflakerepresentative of that organization, odds are good that those characters are going to have to deal with her at some point in a very permanent way. It could even be a boss battle.
Modifié par Spicen, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:31 .
Spicen wrote...
Listen man, there has been enough said and done to explain why she needs to die, but you Leliana fanboys are immune to facts and logic, so i will offer two rational options:
Cultist wrote...
Well, maybe Seekers found her chopped head and then assembled a team of scholars and spend astronomic amounts of gold in a grand Ritual....let's say, Project Lazarine! And then she assembled a team of...I probably get myself banned this way
Modifié par The Hierophant, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:37 .
whykikyouwhy wrote...
Spicen wrote...
Listen man, there has been enough said and done to explain why she needs to die, but you Leliana fanboys are immune to facts and logic, so i will offer two rational options:
You don't really do your argument any good by using "fanboy" as a pejorative. So too, several folks who have posted on this thread have said that they were not especially fond of Leliana, but that they also didn't see a reason for her character to be killed, or for the option to be there.
It's not that those who do not agree with you are "immune" to facts or logic. They just have a different perspective and opinion than you.
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