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[Spicen]

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No they pretty much said Anders is dead but i am sure Fenris will be retconned if anyone killed him.

[The Hierophant]

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No they pretty much said Anders is dead but i am sure Fenris will be retconned if anyone killed him.

With Justice running around any thing could happen.

[Spicen]

The Hierophant wrote...

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No they pretty much said Anders is dead but i am sure Fenris will be retconned if anyone killed him.

With Justice running around any thing could happen.

On a serious note, keeping anders alive would be the smartest move because he was keeping vengeance in check. However if Anders is killed i believe Vengeance will find another host. Remember if u killed Anders he will say "atleast Justice will be free." Su yeah BW definitely has a plan for Justice.

[The Hierophant]

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No they pretty much said Anders is dead but i am sure Fenris will be retconned if anyone killed him.

With Justice running around any thing could happen.

On a serious note, keeping anders alive would be the smartest move because he was keeping vengeance in check. However if Anders is killed i believe Vengeance will find another host. Remember if u killed Anders he will say "at least Justice will be free." So yeah BW definitely has a plan for Justice.

Now that's an interesting scenario, i like this.

[Spicen]

The Hierophant wrote...

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No they pretty much said Anders is dead but i am sure Fenris will be retconned if anyone killed him.

With Justice running around any thing could happen.

On a serious note, keeping anders alive would be the smartest move because he was keeping vengeance in check. However if Anders is killed i believe Vengeance will find another host. Remember if u killed Anders he will say "at least Justice will be free." So yeah BW definitely has a plan for Justice.

Now that's an interesting scenario, i like this.

Haha everybody likes my opinions.................except for Leliana fans ofcourse

[SafetyShattered]

Bu....bu.....but I liked her.....how dare you. Leliana's invincible.....so ha!

[Spicen]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Bu....bu.....but I liked her.....how dare you. Leliana's invincible.....so ha!

Yeah yeah the same story.

Anyway GUT HER!!!!

[berelinde]

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Spicen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No they pretty much said Anders is dead but i am sure Fenris will be retconned if anyone killed him.

With Justice running around any thing could happen.

On a serious note, keeping anders alive would be the smartest move because he was keeping vengeance in check. However if Anders is killed i believe Vengeance will find another host. Remember if u killed Anders he will say "atleast Justice will be free." Su yeah BW definitely has a plan for Justice.

Can you imagine the internal bickering if Justice wound up in Fenris? How much fun would *that* be?

[Spicen]

Filament wrote...

I hope Leliana is a forced companion in DA3 and makes all of the important decisions instead of the protagonist, so that all the protagonist has to do is handle the consequences of her decisions and bask in her maker-blessed glory.

Well yeah pretty much, except for the forced companion part. I think our PC is going to have to clean up Leliana's mess.

[Cultist]

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No. Developers, Gaider, if I'm not mistaken, said that if you kill Anders, he'll stay dead in Da3 for good. No coming back.

Modifié par Cultist, 01 septembre 2012 - 08:17 .

[Anvos]

Cultist wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No. Developers, Gaider, if I'm not mistaken, said that if you kill Anders, he'll stay dead in Da3 for good. No coming back.

Well anders may be dead but I wouldn't rule out seeing justice running around in his corpse killing templars.  You know come to think of it, it would probably be best to handle Anders similar to Warden's keep where there are sperate events for different outcomes.  Sadly its too late to do something like that for Lilliana and one can only hope there is some sort of key part of her story that truly expains how she ended up a seeker and potentially ressurected.

If dead you get a quest called "Blind Vengence" where you come across justice intervening in a small skirmish between the mage's and templars, but he is causing devistation to both sides of the battle, justice has also started being able to pull other fade spirits into the bodies of dead templars and spread his rage to them.  In the end you get a conclusion were justice tells you there is no justice anymore and only eternal vengence and your forced to slay him.

If sent away by hawke you'd get a quest called "Solitude" were you find a robed stranger being attacked by a group of what look like mercenaries from Kirwall.  If you chose not to intervene they kill him, but it causes an angry justice to take over and kill them, causing demons to come forward, and it then plays out similar to if you killed Anders where you have to fight justice.  If you intervene and stop the group from attacking the man you get a short talk with Anders where at the end you get the choice to kill him or let him go off and continue with his plan to live out the rest of his days exiling himself from everybody else so he can't harm anybody else.

If hawke made anders stay and help the mages you get a quest called "Redemption" where a family of apostates is being attacked by a group of mercenaries, who want to turn them over to a group of extremly anti mage templars who are offering a bounty for mages, and Anders intervenes.  If you chose to help anders you are able to save the apostates and then get a conversation with anders where you can either, let him go on with his solo act of trying to protect innocent mages, convince him to join the mage side, or convince him that the only way to make up for what he did is to turn himself in.  If you don't intervene, anders is still victorious over the mercs but the family of apostates is killed in the process and due to that it changes the tone of the conversation with anders where he blames you for there death and the quest can only end in you letting anders go off to continue doing what he can by himself to help mages or you end up in a fight to the death with ander.

Modifié par Anvos, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:11 .

[Aggie Punbot]

berelinde wrote...

Can you imagine the internal bickering if Justice wound up in Fenris? How much fun would *that* be?

I think I saw a porno read fanfiction like that once.

Cultist wrote...

No. Developers, Gaider, if I'm not mistaken, said that if you kill Anders, he'll stay dead in Da3 for good. No coming back.

Problem with that is that with Leliana, we now have an example of where they can just change their mind and bring him back regardless. Hell, they even did it with Anders himself once already.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Heimdall]

Spicen wrote...

You do realize that whatever we do, you are not going to be convinced, it is respect that does this, the same respect ur Leliana gave to Marjolaine. Blaming Leliana to u is probably equal to blaming Elizabeth of petty theft.

Listen man, there has been enough said and done to explain why she needs to die, but you Leliana fanboys are immune to facts and logic, so i will offer two rational options:

1)Bioware says that it is a bug and fixes it in DA 3, making sure that our decision counted.
2)If not, there is always the Mage-Templar-Chantry war, Leliana will almost surely be involved in support for the chantry, if we choose mage we should have her as a boss and then kill her.

Take it or leave it.
Everyone wins!!

To be honest, most of the logic you've displayed has a whole lot of biased conjecture attached to it. I wouldn't have a problem with Leliana's death, as I said, as long as it made sense in the plot.  I just don't see her death as a necessity.

[Heimdall]

Anvos wrote...

Cultist wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Pfft...forget Leliana, Anders should take priority if he somehow survives.

No. Developers, Gaider, if I'm not mistaken, said that if you kill Anders, he'll stay dead in Da3 for good. No coming back.

Well anders may be dead but I wouldn't rule out seeing justice running around in his corpse killing templars.  You know come to think of it, it would probably be best to handle Anders similar to Warden's keep where there are sperate events for different outcomes.  Sadly its too late to do something like that for Lilliana and one can only hope there is some sort of key part of her story that truly expains how she ended up a seeker and potentially ressurected.

If dead you get a quest called "Blind Vengence" where you come across justice intervening in a small skirmish between the mage's and templars, but he is causing devistation to both sides of the battle, justice has also started being able to pull other fade spirits into the bodies of dead templars and spread his rage to them.  In the end you get a conclusion were justice tells you there is no justice anymore and only eternal vengence and your forced to slay him.

If sent away by hawke you'd get a quest called "Solitude" were you find a robed stranger being attacked by a group of what look like mercenaries from Kirwall.  If you chose not to intervene they kill him, but it causes an angry justice to take over and kill them, causing demons to come forward, and it then plays out similar to if you killed Anders where you have to fight justice.  If you intervene and stop the group from attacking the man you get a short talk with Anders where at the end you get the choice to kill him or let him go off and continue with his plan to live out the rest of his days exiling himself from everybody else so he can't harm anybody else.

If hawke made anders stay and help the mages you get a quest called "Redemption" where a family of apostates is being attacked by a group of mercenaries, who want to turn them over to a group of extremly anti mage templars who are offering a bounty for mages, and Anders intervenes.  If you chose to help anders you are able to save the apostates and then get a conversation with anders where you can either, let him go on with his solo act of trying to protect innocent mages, convince him to join the mage side, or convince him that the only way to make up for what he did is to turn himself in.  If you don't intervene, anders is still victorious over the templars but the family of apostates is killed in the process and due to that it changes the tone of the conversation with anders where he blames you for there death and the quest can only end in you letting anders go off to continue doing what he can by himself to help mages or you end up in a fight to the death with ander.

I tLike your ideas.  I think they only brought Leliana back because they want to give the Chantry a more friendly face in DA3 actually, or at least the portion loyal to the divine.  And because she's fairly popular, I suppose.  I think they should have used Cassandra and Leliana interchangeably for Sister Nightingale. rather than resurrect her.  That would have been neater.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cultist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
So hate motivated murder is perfectly reasonable?

Ooook... You live FAR away from me right?

Of course they are. They may be illegal, but surely reasonable for the murderer.

No. You're thinking "jusfitfiable by a sick mind". Crazy people can justify anything to themselves.

Killing someone just because you dislike him is NOT reasonalbe in any way, shape or form.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The defense rests because the prosecuation has failed to bring forth anything of value and is actually making a mockery of itself. There's not really much for us to do.

And the defense party forgot to bring their evidence and testimonies to the court because they were busy tring to resurrect the criminal Leliana. How smart of them!

Dude. Innocent untill proven guilty.
IT is YOUR job to prove her guilt. Not my job to prove her innocence.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Teh displeasure about TIM and Cerberus was not because he was an antagonist - but because it was done so badly and tastesly. And because they flat out lied (No, TIM is not indoctrinated. Defninately, certanlty not!).
TIM and Cerberus are a good example or bad writing, as the character and the entire organization were made falt, uninteresting and one dimensional.

Ah so u have proven that u are better than Mass effect writers why didnt they hire than u than(probably coz u wud have brought Leliana in Mass effect). And if you are saying TIM was not indoctrinated, i have 2 advices- 1)Play ME 3 again and pay attention to the game. 2) Go to a doctor seriously and tell him to bang it, hopefully you recover from your Short term memory Syndrom. I hope ur reports are good.

Another strawmen by you.
I don't have to be a great writer to recognize bad writing.

Also, you're an idiot.
The devs have specifcly said before ME3 came out that TIM was not indoctrinated and he was and will be himself. They lied.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...
1) She stayed for years at the chantry and still forgot to take a single vow, oh my how stupid of her.
2)Or she wants to become famous.
3)I already proved it.

1) So? Sometimes it takes years for initiates to take wows. Obviously she wasn't required to take wows yet.

2) You can go and guess character motivations left and right - I can do it for any character. I can do it for you. Unless you can actually prove it it remains irrelevant.

3) When? and how? Note that whatever happens in dream land does not count.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...
Well if my accusations are wrong why didnt a moderator lock this thread despite the number of times Leliana fans reported this thread.

Because you actually have to break rules. Talking garbage - as iritating and wrong as it may be - does not technicly break rules.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Haha....thats very funny, im laughing as like i never laughed in my entire life.

Careful there, pal.  Don't wanna pull something.   Baby steps, baby steps.

oh by the way u didnt get my post, when i said BSN cracked down i meant the Leliana/TIM fans not me.

Yeah well, people are not railing at you for wanting options - they're railing at you for talkign smack and presenting them as facts.
You want the option to kill Leliana? Fine, everyone should be killalbe IMHO.

But your redicolous conspiracy theories are the reason we laugh at ya.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Spicen wrote...

mazdatazda wrote...

So this thread is unofficially dead.

Yep, too many Leliana fanatics to deal withh single handedly. I wish Emzamination, cultist and berelinde was here, the thread was moving so smoothly.

Not sharing your homicidal feelings about Leliana or buying into your bizarre conspiracy theory hardly makes one a fanatic.

Psst.... Dont' tell him that. You will shatter his poor mishapen wordview.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...
The utter madness of Leliana lunatics never ceases to amaze me.

Look in the mirror. Your madness is far worse.

You really are a hate filled biggot.
Your every post practicly insults other posters, by calling everyone who disagress with you a fantacial fanboy and insane/crazy/irrational - without even bothering to find out what exactly are they disagreeing over and why.

[Cultist]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No. You're thinking "jusfitfiable by a sick mind". Crazy people can justify anything to themselves.

Killing someone just because you dislike him is NOT reasonalbe in any way, shape or form.

It perfectly is. I would set aside good old "would you kill Hitler" dilemma and look at the problem gameplay-wise.
And gameplay-wise we got Reaver and Blood Mage classes. We have ability to roleplay that crazy people, for whom killing someone because they don't like them is justified. Even for other classes people may roleplay the concept "The End Justify the Means". That may allow Templar to kill child, accused of demon possession and other similar situations, where killing is justified for them.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Cultist wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
No. You're thinking "jusfitfiable by a sick mind". Crazy people can justify anything to themselves.

Killing someone just because you dislike him is NOT reasonalbe in any way, shape or form.

It perfectly is. I would set aside good old "would you kill Hitler" dilemma and look at the problem gameplay-wise.
And gameplay-wise we got Reaver and Blood Mage classes. We have ability to roleplay that crazy people, for whom killing someone because they don't like them is justified. Even for other classes people may roleplay the concept "The End Justify the Means". That may allow Templar to kill child, accused of demon possession and other similar situations, where killing is justified for them.

No it ain't.
Either you don't understand the dillema, or your moral compass is so broken that it cannot be fixed.
And from what I recall from my previous interaction with you, it is.

Something is either reasonable or it's not. Justifiable? Thats a different issue and in the end pointless, since everything - EVERYTHING - can be justified by applying a sufficiently fraked up mindset/logic.