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[Sylvanpyxie]

My only real problem with Leliana, and with Anders for that matter, is the fact she didn't stay dead.

I had no intention of killing Leliana, in fact when I took her to the Ashes I had no idea that it would result in her death, but with that being said and regardless of my intentions - Leliana was DEAD and the excuse that Bioware fobbed it off with couldn't even be classed as a hand-wave. It's just plain bad.

"The Maker decided it was not my time."

Take your Maker and shove him up your wazoo, Leliana. Vanya took your bleeding head off and you should have the good grace to bloody well remain decapitated.

I had the same problem with Anders, as well, before anyone decides to call double standards. I liked him in Awakening, and I liked him in Dragon Age 2, and I still hated him because he should have been dead.

If Bioware want to keep characters within their stories then they need to avoid giving us the option to kill them off, because nothing annoys me more than miraculous resurrection and bad hand-waving.

[Cultist]

TheChris92 wrote...
What is wrong with you people, and your urges to kill fictional characters lately?

Maybe because it's fictional kills?

Modifié par Cultist, 24 août 2012 - 08:01 .

[TheChris92]

Cultist wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...
What is wrong with you people, and your urges to kill fictional characters lately?

Maybe because it's fictional kills?

Yeah, because that's why people play BioWare games. To kill off the characters that disagree with them. I mean, it's not like the OP could have just left behind said character in Lothering or anything, right?

[Cultist]

TheChris92 wrote...
Yeah, because that's why people play BioWare games. To kill off the characters that disagree with them. I mean, it's not like the OP could have just left behind said character in Lothering or anything, right?

That's just not true. I want to kill certain characters that annoy me or whom I don't like, but not all of them. And I hate the most those who are forced upon me and discard choices I made\\render my choices pointless.
It's a question of possibility to kill, not a necessity to kill someone.

Modifié par Cultist, 24 août 2012 - 08:10 .

[TheChris92]

Cultist wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...
Yeah, because that's why people play BioWare games. To kill off the characters that disagree with them. I mean, it's not like the OP could have just left behind said character in Lothering or anything, right?

That's just not true. I want to kill certain characters that annoy me or whom I don't like, but not all of them. And I hate the most those who are forced upon me and discard choices I maderender my choices pointless.

Well, you certainly made it sound like that was the case. I bet there are a lot of characters we wish we could be rid off in lots of other RPGs, I mean I wish I could get rid of Triss in the first Witcher game, but I cant. Especially considering that choosing to romance/siding with the other character (Shani) is rendered pointless in the Witcher 2, where Geralt is suddenly with Triss for some unexplainable reaons. I don't see anybody complaining there. I can deal with that, I wish other people would just deal with that in a similar manner. If there are characters I don't like then I tend to avoid them, or not recruit them if at all possible. Never kill them because I see no reason to kill off a character simply for disagreeing with my own character. That is all.  

Modifié par TheChris92, 24 août 2012 - 08:20 .

[deuce985]

This thread just goes to show you how different people play the game. It makes me sad we didn't have as much choice in DA2...

I'll bet you guys think I'm evil for sticking a Murder Knife 6-inches in Brother Giniviti's skull. But my reasoning was for Fereldan's greater good. He would've told everyone about those ashes. Pilgrims would come. But evil would want to exploit the power in those ashes. I couldn't take the risk of someone coming along and using that power to their advantage. Some secrets are best kept hidden away.

If you want to kill her off, go ahead. I prefer corrupting her mind and making her see everything from my point of view. Too bad I couldn't make her enjoy our relationship together...with Morrigan.

[whykikyouwhy]

I don't think I have ever loathed or despised a character in a game, though certainly, several have caused me frustration. And while my PCs may not always agree with the companions, I've never had the urge to knife any of them, or felt that it meshed well with how I was role-playing. It always seemed better to shoo them away, leave them in another town (or at camp) or what have you. Besides, being somewhat opportunistic, it made sense to keep them alive - you never know when their knowledge or skill set might come in handy.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 24 août 2012 - 08:37 .

[thats1evildude]

deuce985 wrote...


I'll bet you guys think I'm evil for sticking a Murder Knife 6-inches in Brother Giniviti's skull. But my reasoning was for Fereldan's greater good. He would've told everyone about those ashes. Pilgrims would come. But evil would want to exploit the power in those ashes. I couldn't take the risk of someone coming along and using that power to their advantage. Some secrets are best kept hidden away.

That logic strikes me as a bit faulty, as evil had already been trying to exploit the Ashes for decades while they were hidden. The "Discipes of Andraste" (ie. those inbred crazy hillbillies with a penchant for chugging dragon blood smoothies) were trying to destroy it to free Andraste or some other crazy inbred hillbilly bullcrap. Keeping the Ashes hidden helped no one but the Disciples or whatever insane bunch of ***holes who stepped up to take their place.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 24 août 2012 - 08:39 .

[FaWa]

What? The option is there so we can kill a character we hate... The whole point of this game is to make your own decisions and they will matter. (In theory)

[deuce985]

thats1evildude wrote...

deuce985 wrote...


I'll bet you guys think I'm evil for sticking a Murder Knife 6-inches in Brother Giniviti's skull. But my reasoning was for Fereldan's greater good. He would've told everyone about those ashes. Pilgrims would come. But evil would want to exploit the power in those ashes. I couldn't take the risk of someone coming along and using that power to their advantage. Some secrets are best kept hidden away.

That logic strikes me as a bit faulty, as evil had already been trying to exploit the Ashes for decades while they were hidden. The "Discipes of Andraste" (ie. those inbred crazy hillbillies with a penchant for chugging dragon blood smoothies) were trying to destroy it to free Andraste or some other crazy inbred hillbilly bullcrap. Keeping the Ashes hidden helped no one but the Disciples or whatever insane bunch of ***holes who stepped up to take their place.

Yes but they were isolated from the world. The more people exposed to those ashes, the higher potential you had at someone trying to spread it around Fereldan at their own gain. Not to mention the political power it would hold over people. It would be like using a brainwash tool on every religious person. Not to mention the REAL power it actually holds. I couldn't imagine the people who would exploit that for their own ambition. He meant well but it was a necessary sacrifice for Fereldan, unfortunately. I couldn't get him to see it through my eyes. Look at what it did with Leliana. She immediately flips on you when they're destroyed...

A religious symbol can be a powerful weapon, even if it doesn't hold special powers. In this case, it's a religious symbol that does hold powers. Regardless if they're logical or unexplainable.

Also, I just like seeing the Murder Knife come out from under my dress anyway...

Modifié par deuce985, 24 août 2012 - 08:52 .

[Masha Potato]

 STABBITY STAB KILL KILL!!1

[Cultist]

The point is - I would be happy to see the ability to slay and gutter as many of NPCs as possible, as that'll represent great variety of choices for various players. But you can't have all good things so I realize that at best we may kill some of them.
I would like to see Sten dead - because he's a Quinari, want to see Leliana dead, because she's a Chantry supporter, Alistair, because he's annoying, Fenris, because he's against magisters and Blood Magic. The list goes on but a lot of players have the opposite opinion and like characters I despise and hate characters I like. So, again, it is a question of possibility - we, in this thread, are asking to add one more option to kill Leliana and finish the work we started in Origins...
Devs already stated that Anders will stay dead and there will be no more miraclous resurrections, should you kill him in DA2. Hope they'll allow us to finish off another resurrected character as well.

Modifié par Cultist, 24 août 2012 - 08:57 .

[Rawgrim]

I ended up defiling the ashes because i thought I was doing something good in the long run. I figured the ashes might give the Chantry more power, and I didn`t want that after hearing Alistair telling me about how they made templars addicted to lyrium etc. Wasn`t an evil intent, but Leliana attacked me, and I killed her. Aparantly that decision was wrong, and Bioware corrected me by having her survive the ordeal.

[deuce985]

Cultist wrote...

The point is - I would be happy to see the ability to slay and gutter as many of NPCs as possible, as that'll represent great variety of choices for various players. But you can't have all good things so I realize that at best we may kill some of them.
I would like to see Sten dead - because he's a Quinari, want to see Leliana dead, because she's a Chantry supporter, Alistair, because he's annoying, Fenris, because he's against magisters and Blood Magic. The list goes on but a lot of players have the opposite opinion and like characters I despise and hate characters I like. So, again, it is a question of possibility - we, in this thread, are asking to add one more option to kill Leliana and finish the work we started in Origins...
Devs already stated that anders will stay dead and there will be no more miraclous resurrections, should you kill him in DA2. Hope they'll allow us to finish off another resurrected character as well.

Just as long as they give us the option with the Murder Knife to finish them off, I'm all for this post.

I totally wanted to kill Fenris off in DA2 and was glad they eventually gave that option. I knew when he opposed my decision, he'd fight me. I enjoyed seeing his corpse looking up at me from the ground. 

I was hoping at that moment, I'd get a cinematic interaction with him on the ground. Then pull my knife out to finish the deed. Man I hated Fenris...

Modifié par deuce985, 24 août 2012 - 09:03 .

[Zjarcal]

Lol... even as someone who definitely enjoys killing a character I hate, the idea of asking for it with such a "passion" is just dumb.

[TheChris92]

Cultist wrote...

The point is - I would be happy to see the ability to slay and gutter as many of NPCs as possible, as that'll represent great variety of choices for various players.

Yes, I get it. Going back to my previous post "Some people play BioWare games for the possibility to kill off all the characters that disagree with them." I think I'm done here.

[Cultist]

deuce985 wrote...
Just as long as they give us the option with the Murder Knife to finish them off, I'm all for this post.

I totally wanted to kill Fenris off in DA2 and was glad they eventually gave that option. I knew when he opposed my decision, he'd fight me. I enjoyed seeing his corpse looking up at me from the ground. 

I was hoping at that moment I'd get a cinematic interaction with him on the ground. Then pull my knife out to finish the deed. Man I hated Fenris..

I've chosen to hand him over to the magister. That whiner will suffer more in slavery. Plus, you'll get 5 sovereigns for that piece of nothing!

[The Hierophant]

 Pfft...forget Leliana, I hope Anders stays dead if you choose to shank him in act 3.<_<

[jackofalltrades456]

Ok, as you can judge from my banner, I'm a big fan of Leliana's character. This move was just....awful, to put it lightly. I saw Leliana's outcome as a pretty major choice and test of her loyal during that questline. Just the notion that they'll handwave it  just like that doesn't sit well with me. What's going to stop them from saying that she killed Majorlaine anyway if the Warden spared her, giving her a random lover if the Warden romanced her, or saying she traveled with the Warden even if she's never met them.

Modifié par jackofalltrades456, 24 août 2012 - 09:14 .

[thats1evildude]

Cultist wrote...

I've chosen to hand him over to the magister. That whiner will suffer more in slavery. Plus, you'll get 5 sovereigns for that piece of nothing!

Ugh, how distasteful. Danarius was a slaver, a child murderer and a rapist. Even if I disliked Fenris, there's no way I'd let that bastard walk out of that bar alive.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 24 août 2012 - 09:15 .

[deuce985]

Cultist wrote...

deuce985 wrote...
Just as long as they give us the option with the Murder Knife to finish them off, I'm all for this post.

I totally wanted to kill Fenris off in DA2 and was glad they eventually gave that option. I knew when he opposed my decision, he'd fight me. I enjoyed seeing his corpse looking up at me from the ground. 

I was hoping at that moment I'd get a cinematic interaction with him on the ground. Then pull my knife out to finish the deed. Man I hated Fenris..

I've chosen to hand him over to the magister. That whiner will suffer more in slavery. Plus, you'll get 5 sovereigns for that piece of nothing!

Your Fenris hate draws deeper than me. Even I couldn't leave him to that fate under Denarius.

I gave him the opportunity to make a choice. He decided to challenge me. His mistake.

[Cultist]

deuce985 wrote...
Your Fenris hate draws deeper than me. Even I couldn't leave him to that fate under Denarius.
I gave him the opportunity to make a choice. He decided to challenge me. His mistake.

Three acts of whining and complaining doing miracles)

[The Elder King]

deuce985 wrote...

This thread just goes to show you how different people play the game. It makes me sad we didn't have as much choice in DA2...

I'll bet you guys think I'm evil for sticking a Murder Knife 6-inches in Brother Giniviti's skull. But my reasoning was for Fereldan's greater good. He would've told everyone about those ashes. Pilgrims would come. But evil would want to exploit the power in those ashes. I couldn't take the risk of someone coming along and using that power to their advantage. Some secrets are best kept hidden away.

If you want to kill her off, go ahead. I prefer corrupting her mind and making her see everything from my point of view. Too bad I couldn't make her enjoy our relationship together...with Morrigan.

As far as I recall, the way the romance with Morrigan and Leliana worked allow you, if you followed a certain order, to have both of them romanced, and they'll not complain. It's not like having them recognized the relationship, but it's close. I don't think it's possible with other combination of LI.

Modifié par hhh89, 24 août 2012 - 09:34 .

[Rawgrim]

I`d deffinatly send him to the slaver too. Too bad I didn`t let his anime-ass hang around abit longer, so I could do that.