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[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Anyway you pointed the exact thing about the man. He insults anyone that does not agree with him. Thats why i called him a communist. His as* gets burned everytime someone disagrees with him. You know what, he is trying to spam the thread with insults so that it gets closed. Pretty smart from a Lotion Cult.

So..what exactly are you doing right now?
From where I come from it fits the definition of insult. Every single sentance in that quote containt at least one insulting thing.

*CLAP CLAP *

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black,, don`t you think? Since you have been calling everyone who doesn`t make the choices you do in the game, douchebag, evil, and retarded...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rawgrim wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Anyway you pointed the exact thing about the man. He insults anyone that does not agree with him. Thats why i called him a communist. His as* gets burned everytime someone disagrees with him. You know what, he is trying to spam the thread with insults so that it gets closed. Pretty smart from a Lotion Cult.

So..what exactly are you doing right now?
From where I come from it fits the definition of insult. Every single sentance in that quote containt at least one insulting thing.

*CLAP CLAP *

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black,, don`t you think? Since you have been calling everyone who doesn`t make the choices you do in the game, douchebag, evil, and retarded...

No, I call the specific CHARACTER that.
Which, given the explanations some of you provided AND your stalwarft defense that playing evil is a valid option....fits.

Unless of course your character acts exactly the same way you do.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Try argueing reasonably instead of skipping straight to the insults. I don't know you that well yet.
The ashes aren't neccesary. Eamon was one of the few instances when ordinary magic just wasn't good enough. Normally, magic could deal with illness and injury, if the chantry weren't so hellbent on interfering. Also, if someone takes penicilin from just anybody, they deserve whatever they get.

Which is precisely my point. Fake drugs is a consequence that is irrelevant since it's got nothing to do with the Warden, and everything to do with gullible people.

So the desecrated ashes are the warden's fault, but the fake ashes aren't? I still believe that it eventually traces back to the warden's fault, but I see your point.

To be more precise, the Warden can't predict everything and can't be blamed for the actions of other people.
Ashes or not, con artists wil lsell fake miracle cures. The warden can't stop that anymore that he can stop ALL crime in the universe.

Maybe I should have said templars. And not with Eamon. I mean with any mage who could possibly do any good for people being locked up in the Circle. Anders is running a clinic and the templars would still happily run him off to the circle.

That doesn't mean nothing good comes of it. After all, who creates and sells healing potions?
And who's to say mages  from the Circles arent allowed to ever heal people?

[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Anyway you pointed the exact thing about the man. He insults anyone that does not agree with him. Thats why i called him a communist. His as* gets burned everytime someone disagrees with him. You know what, he is trying to spam the thread with insults so that it gets closed. Pretty smart from a Lotion Cult.

So..what exactly are you doing right now?
From where I come from it fits the definition of insult. Every single sentance in that quote containt at least one insulting thing.

*CLAP CLAP *

Kind of the pot calling the kettle black,, don`t you think? Since you have been calling everyone who doesn`t make the choices you do in the game, douchebag, evil, and retarded...

No, I call the specific CHARACTER that.
Which, given the explanations some of you provided AND your stalwarft defense that playing evil is a valid option....fits.

Unless of course your character acts exactly the same way you do.

Would you say Han Solo is an evil character? He smuggles drugs, and pretty much only does things for profit.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rawgrim wrote...

Would you say Han Solo is an evil character? He smuggles drugs, and pretty much only does things for profit.

He smuggles stuff, but I don't recall it being drugs.
Given the Empire, I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of normal stuff is considered "contraband".

But either way, Han is just surviving and trying to avoid getting killed.
He isn't openly malicius.

He's a chaotic good/neutral type.

[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Would you say Han Solo is an evil character? He smuggles drugs, and pretty much only does things for profit.

He smuggles stuff, but I don't recall it being drugs.
Given the Empire, I wouldn't be surprised that a lot of normal stuff is considered "contraband".

But either way, Han is just surviving and trying to avoid getting killed.
He isn't openly malicius.

He's a chaotic good/neutral type.

He smuggled "spice" for Jabba. Spice is the SW version of narcotics. He also knew what was in the cargo, as well. He did this for profit as well.

Which is why changing that scene where Han gunned down Greedo in A New
Hope was probably the worst retcon of George by George. It was meant to
show how ruthless and cold blooded Han Solo actually was.

Modifié par Rawgrim, 08 septembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

And I still fail to see what does that have to do with Leliana...

[Auintus]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I still fail to see what does that have to do with Leliana...

I think he's comparing Han to a potential Grey Warden. Not the best example considering the situation.

Han is different. Chaotic-neutral/good, as stated earlier. A warden is allowed to be extremist, so long as they achieve their goal, the end of the Blight. Could the Blight be ended without defiling the ashes? Yes, definately. Could it be ended despite defiling the ashes? Yes, again.
Corrupting the ashes, therefore, is as relevent as siding with the werewolves over the Dalish, or Harrowmont over Bhelen.

Modifié par Auintus, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:51 .

[Bekkael]

People kill Leliana? You....you monsters!

Personally, I prefer to recruit her and then laugh when she does nothing but mill around the camp for the rest of the game. What can I say? I have a heart of gold. :innocent:

[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I still fail to see what does that have to do with Leliana...

By your reasoning, about the killing of leliana etc, Solo would be an utter douce with no redeeming qualities, and also a downright evil person.

[Spicen]

Bekkael wrote...

People kill Leliana? You....you monsters!

Personally, I prefer to recruit her and then laugh when she does nothing but mill around the camp for the rest of the game. What can I say? I have a heart of gold. :innocent:

Is there a point to this post? This is an argumentative thread. You post arguments or dont post at all. Emotional displays of passion will not stop Lelinan from dying.

Oh, and i thoroughly enjoy killing Leliana, i wish there was an option to throw her in an ant's burrow so that she gets torn apart and killed. And i smile everytime i imagine that, is there a problem to this? What can i possibly say, i have a heart of diamonds.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And I still fail to see what does that have to do with Leliana...

I think he's comparing Han to a potential Grey Warden. Not the best example considering the situation.

Han is different. Chaotic-neutral/good, as stated earlier. A warden is allowed to be extremist, so long as they achieve their goal, the end of the Blight. Could the Blight be ended without defiling the ashes? Yes, definately. Could it be ended despite defiling the ashes? Yes, again.
Corrupting the ashes, therefore, is as relevent as siding with the werewolves over the Dalish, or Harrowmont over Bhelen.

False conclusion.
It's a BW game, so no decision you make can doom you.
Just because you can win the game regardless what decision you make, doesn't mean that all decisions are equally valid (or should I say, equally logical).

The Warden is gethering allies in an effort to fight the blight.
The good will and gratitude of the Chantry will help a LOT more than the good will of a small, demented sect.

Heck, making the Warden a saint for passing the Guardians trails and finding the ashes seem perfecly plausible. Can you immage how more diffiult this would make things for Loghain? The Warden would enjoy Chantry protection.
And the healing powers of the ashes alone could change things considerably. They may even fix a wardens fertility problem.

Consequently, if word ever gets out that he defiled the ashes, he would be the most hated person on the face of Thedas.


Of course, Bioware completely ignored the implication of  the ashes, but the Warden doesn't know nothing will come of it. Neither does the player playing for the first time.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rawgrim wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And I still fail to see what does that have to do with Leliana...

By your reasoning, about the killing of leliana etc, Solo would be an utter douce with no redeeming qualities, and also a downright evil person.

Nope.
Remeber that Solo was in debt with Jabba. His head was on the line here. So he had to do a few shady jobs for Jabba.

Solo does look out for No1, but he isn't remorsless. He does care about others, even if he doesn't show it more often than not.

[Heimdall]

Isn't this argument getting a bit tired?

[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And I still fail to see what does that have to do with Leliana...

By your reasoning, about the killing of leliana etc, Solo would be an utter douce with no redeeming qualities, and also a downright evil person.

Nope.
Remeber that Solo was in debt with Jabba. His head was on the line here. So he had to do a few shady jobs for Jabba.

Solo does look out for No1, but he isn't remorsless. He does care about others, even if he doesn't show it more often than not.

He was also an imperial soldier before he turned to smuggling drugs. He willingly joined a very evil organization, and was trying to make a career at it. And no, he wasn`t in debt with Jabba, before he took the drug jobs. He was in debt later, when he dumped the cargo before being boarded. Thats why Jabba is after him.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rawgrim wrote...
He was also an imperial soldier before he turned to smuggling drugs. He willingly joined a very evil organization, and was trying to make a career at it. And no, he wasn`t in debt with Jabba, before he took the drug jobs. He was in debt later, when he dumped the cargo before being boarded. Thats why Jabba is after him.

<_<<_<

Seriously? That's like saying every US soldier is evil because the US is "obviously evil".

[Spicen]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Isn't this argument getting a bit tired?

Odd isnt it? The "I love Leliana" thread lasted a few days, this thread has lasted a month.

As Kai-Leng says, " IT's A PITY THE GOOD ONES NEVER LAST."

[Lotion Soronarr]

As you said earlier - this is an argumentative thread. So where are the arguments?


counter this:

The Warden is gethering allies in an effort to fight the blight.
The good will and gratitude of the Chantry will help a LOT more than the good will of a small, demented sect.

Heck, making the Warden a saint for passing the Guardians trails and finding the ashes seem perfecly plausible. Can you immage how more diffiult this would make things for Loghain? The Warden would enjoy Chantry protection.
And the healing powers of the ashes alone could change things considerably. They may even fix a wardens fertility problem. smilie

Consequently, if word ever gets out that he defiled the ashes, he would be the most hated person on the face of Thedas.

Of course, Bioware completely ignored the implication of the ashes, but the Warden doesn't know nothing will come of it. Neither does the player playing for the first time.

Untill you do, telling me that it's smart to defile the ashes and kill Leli has no firm ground to stand on.

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Untill you do, telling me that it's smart to defile the ashes and kill Leli has no firm ground to stand on.

What about the mage protagonist who despises the Andrastian Chantry? The Surana Warden can even bring up the fall of the Dales to the Chantry preacher in Ostagar. It may be the right decision for the respective person, for their own reasons.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Untill you do, telling me that it's smart to defile the ashes and kill Leli has no firm ground to stand on.

What about the mage protagonist who despises the Andrastian Chantry? The Surana Warden can even bring up the fall of the Dales to the Chantry preacher in Ostagar. It may be the right decision for the respective person, for their own reasons.

Yeah, reducing your chances to stay alive and defeat a Blight....right..that's a very smart move.

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yeah, reducing your chances to stay alive and defeat a Blight....right..that's a very smart move.

Avoiding a confrontation with a plethora of Reavers and a High Dragon can be seen as a smart move.

[jackofalltrades456]

Wow....

Twenty-three pages of senseless, one sided bickering.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I want a second chance to kill Leiliana. Not because I dislike her (she's actually my favorite in-game romance, partially because Girl-On-Girl is hot) but because I like the freedom to do evil in my games. Just because I don't have the stomach to let Redcliffe get overrun doesn't mean I'm not grateful that Bioware is willing to let me.

(Though that's not to say I wouldn't take the option to kill Leiliana. Why not? I've defiled the Ashes, corrupted Leiliana such that she allowed it, killed the Guardian with her help, banged her both before and after, took her along while I banged Isabella, sided with Branka, killed the Dalish, used blood magic, let Jowan use blood magic, killed everybody I grew up with minus Wynne, sacrificed the elven slaves, killed a surrendered prisoner, and topped that off by killing the King Of Ferelden so that Leiliana and I could be together after the battle. And all of that was during my second playthrough. I have since preserved the Anvil, killed Isolde, and killed the Dalish in subsequent playthroughs. The point to this ranting run-on being that I don't always play as a nice PC, and occasionally go with evil options for the lulz.)

Edit: As the capper to all that evil? My second playthrough I was playing mage and didn't use Zevran, but still liked being able to pick locks. So you can bet assassin-with-a-conscience Leiliana was present for most of the game.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 09 septembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[Rawgrim]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
He was also an imperial soldier before he turned to smuggling drugs. He willingly joined a very evil organization, and was trying to make a career at it. And no, he wasn`t in debt with Jabba, before he took the drug jobs. He was in debt later, when he dumped the cargo before being boarded. Thats why Jabba is after him.

<_<<_<

Seriously? That's like saying every US soldier is evil because the US is "obviously evil".

I said the organization was evil, not all the soldiers. My point in this, is that even though a character makes a "retarded" or a doucbagery choice, that doesn`t make him pure evil. As you have so cleverly called players that sided with the Cult vs the ashes.