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[Bekkael]

Spicen wrote...

Bekkael wrote...

People kill Leliana? You....you monsters!

Personally, I prefer to recruit her and then laugh when she does nothing but mill around the camp for the rest of the game. What can I say? I have a heart of gold. :innocent:

Is there a point to this post? This is an argumentative thread. You post arguments or dont post at all. Emotional displays of passion will not stop Lelinan from dying.

Oh, and i thoroughly enjoy killing Leliana, i wish there was an option to throw her in an ant's burrow so that she gets torn apart and killed. And i smile everytime i imagine that, is there a problem to this? What can i possibly say, i have a heart of diamonds.

Oh, there you are, Dr. Lecter. I have your padded cell all clean and ready for you.

[Auintus]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

False conclusion.
It's a BW game, so no decision you make can doom you.
Just because you can win the game regardless what decision you make, doesn't mean that all decisions are equally valid (or should I say, equally logical).

The Warden is gethering allies in an effort to fight the blight.
The good will and gratitude of the Chantry will help a LOT more than the good will of a small, demented sect.

Heck, making the Warden a saint for passing the Guardians trails and finding the ashes seem perfecly plausible. Can you immage how more diffiult this would make things for Loghain? The Warden would enjoy Chantry protection.
And the healing powers of the ashes alone could change things considerably. They may even fix a wardens fertility problem.

Consequently, if word ever gets out that he defiled the ashes, he would be the most hated person on the face of Thedas.


Of course, Bioware completely ignored the implication of  the ashes, but the Warden doesn't know nothing will come of it. Neither does the player playing for the first time.

The chantry's goodwill is worth a pile of wyvern droppings. Never during the game will they offer you anything more than a worthless blessing, with the exception of Redcliff, which I'm not counting. The Cultists offer you the reaver spec and a place as Andraste's new champion...okay that's equally worthless. So neither is really more beneficial to the warden's mission, and both are, therefore, valid options.

[Dragoonlordz]

I like Leliana but only when turn her back to her old ways. I am concerned Bioware will go and retcon my choice to make her 'hardened' as it was called choice wise, so that she goes all chantry lover plushie lovie dovey again. I hated chantry with my Warden and I pushed her away from them as best I could within the framework of choices Bioware allowed. I do not want all that work undone. Already had Hawke undo the hard work of my Warden with (cant say due to spoiler but let's just say dragon lady), so I have a good reason to be concerned with what Bioware does regarding retcons. Also as they did with Anders turning a great character into (can't say because of spoiler). There is enough examples of them doing such that I am right to be concerned (imho).

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Didn't Morrigan already tell you that the dragon spoiler choice was going to be undone one day?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:43 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Didn't Morrigan already tell you that the dragon spoiler choice was going to be undone one day?

I don't think warning of not easy to kill or not to rule her out, really counted as telling you that 'will' be undone or that your character in the next game will be 'forced' to do it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 01:51 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Didn't Morrigan already tell you that the dragon spoiler choice was going to be undone one day?

I don't think warning of not easy to kill or not to rule her out, really counted as telling you that 'will' be undone or that your character in the next game will be 'forced' to do it.

No. No, Morrigan came right out and said it would be undone one day.

She didn't say it would be the next protagonist would do it, but she said it would happen.

[Dragoonlordz]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Didn't Morrigan already tell you that the dragon spoiler choice was going to be undone one day?

I don't think warning of not easy to kill or not to rule her out, really counted as telling you that 'will' be undone or that your character in the next game will be 'forced' to do it.

No. No, Morrigan came right out and said it would be undone one day.

She didn't say it would be the next protagonist would do it, but she said it would happen.

I don't recall her telling my character that. When did she say it to yours?

As specific as possible so I can go check it out.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 03:21 .

[Auintus]

Witch hunt DLC

[Dragoonlordz]

Auintus wrote...

Witch hunt DLC

From what I remember about conversation she said something like beware of x and not to be so sure x is dead. This to me is not telling me that x 'will' be back, merely x 'might' not be dead.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

False conclusion.
It's a BW game, so no decision you make can doom you.
Just because you can win the game regardless what decision you make, doesn't mean that all decisions are equally valid (or should I say, equally logical).

The Warden is gethering allies in an effort to fight the blight.
The good will and gratitude of the Chantry will help a LOT more than the good will of a small, demented sect.

Heck, making the Warden a saint for passing the Guardians trails and finding the ashes seem perfecly plausible. Can you immage how more diffiult this would make things for Loghain? The Warden would enjoy Chantry protection.
And the healing powers of the ashes alone could change things considerably. They may even fix a wardens fertility problem.

Consequently, if word ever gets out that he defiled the ashes, he would be the most hated person on the face of Thedas.


Of course, Bioware completely ignored the implication of  the ashes, but the Warden doesn't know nothing will come of it. Neither does the player playing for the first time.

The chantry's goodwill is worth a pile of wyvern droppings. Never during the game will they offer you anything more than a worthless blessing, with the exception of Redcliff, which I'm not counting. The Cultists offer you the reaver spec and a place as Andraste's new champion...okay that's equally worthless. So neither is really more beneficial to the warden's mission, and both are, therefore, valid options.

How do you come to that conclusion? You make no sense whatsoever.

The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

[Spicen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

False conclusion.
It's a BW game, so no decision you make can doom you.
Just because you can win the game regardless what decision you make, doesn't mean that all decisions are equally valid (or should I say, equally logical).

The Warden is gethering allies in an effort to fight the blight.
The good will and gratitude of the Chantry will help a LOT more than the good will of a small, demented sect.

Heck, making the Warden a saint for passing the Guardians trails and finding the ashes seem perfecly plausible. Can you immage how more diffiult this would make things for Loghain? The Warden would enjoy Chantry protection.
And the healing powers of the ashes alone could change things considerably. They may even fix a wardens fertility problem.

Consequently, if word ever gets out that he defiled the ashes, he would be the most hated person on the face of Thedas.


Of course, Bioware completely ignored the implication of  the ashes, but the Warden doesn't know nothing will come of it. Neither does the player playing for the first time.

The chantry's goodwill is worth a pile of wyvern droppings. Never during the game will they offer you anything more than a worthless blessing, with the exception of Redcliff, which I'm not counting. The Cultists offer you the reaver spec and a place as Andraste's new champion...okay that's equally worthless. So neither is really more beneficial to the warden's mission, and both are, therefore, valid options.

How do you come to that conclusion? You make no sense whatsoever.

The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

Hmmmm, chantry is the most  corrupted one too and one that almost all of the gamers are going to destroy......................not that Leliana is let them going to do that...................well if the chantry has to be destroyed Leliana is going to be kille d too. Cheers everyone!!!

[Spicen]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Wow....

Twenty-three pages of senseless, one sided bickering.

Another senseless Leliana sl*ve..........................

THE CHANTRY VERSION OF LELIANA'S DEATH

Blessed art thou, that stab that abomination behind the back,
Blessed art thou, that kill Leliana and smile,
Thou that massacred LEliana, thou hast the Maker's favour
And all shall sleep with peace after that red headed demon hast died.

                                                                     -The Sermon of Leliana's Death, by Lord Seeker Spicen

Modifié par Spicen, 10 septembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
How do you come to that conclusion? You make no sense whatsoever.

The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

Hmmmm, chantry is the most  corrupted one too and one that almost all of the gamers are going to destroy......................not that Leliana is let them going to do that...................well if the chantry has to be destroyed Leliana is going to be kille d too. Cheers everyone!!!

I fail to see how your pointless blathering counters my point.

I mean, I know you can't coutner it cause you got nothing, so all you can do is basicly troll around...and apparently write sh***y poems.

[Spicen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
How do you come to that conclusion? You make no sense whatsoever.

The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

Hmmmm, chantry is the most  corrupted one too and one that almost all of the gamers are going to destroy......................not that Leliana is let them going to do that...................well if the chantry has to be destroyed Leliana is going to be kille d too. Cheers everyone!!!

I fail to see how your pointless blathering counters my point.

I mean, I know you can't coutner it cause you got nothing, so all you can do is basicly troll around...and apparently write sh***y poems.

Look guy i stopped being serious ever since I and Lord Aesir came to a comprising view towards the topic. I couldn't care less of what you write or think. Dont consider yourself so important.

[Auintus]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

False conclusion.
It's a BW game, so no decision you make can doom you.
Just because you can win the game regardless what decision you make, doesn't mean that all decisions are equally valid (or should I say, equally logical).

The Warden is gethering allies in an effort to fight the blight.
The good will and gratitude of the Chantry will help a LOT more than the good will of a small, demented sect.

Heck, making the Warden a saint for passing the Guardians trails and finding the ashes seem perfecly plausible. Can you immage how more diffiult this would make things for Loghain? The Warden would enjoy Chantry protection.
And the healing powers of the ashes alone could change things considerably. They may even fix a wardens fertility problem.

Consequently, if word ever gets out that he defiled the ashes, he would be the most hated person on the face of Thedas.


Of course, Bioware completely ignored the implication of  the ashes, but the Warden doesn't know nothing will come of it. Neither does the player playing for the first time.

The chantry's goodwill is worth a pile of wyvern droppings. Never during the game will they offer you anything more than a worthless blessing, with the exception of Redcliff, which I'm not counting. The Cultists offer you the reaver spec and a place as Andraste's new champion...okay that's equally worthless. So neither is really more beneficial to the warden's mission, and both are, therefore, valid options.

How do you come to that conclusion? You make no sense whatsoever.

The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

But they never offer you anything more than that useless blessing, ever. So what use is their goodwill, if it doesn't benefit me. All that power and none of it is being used to help me combat the Blight.

[Auintus]

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Spicen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
How do you come to that conclusion? You make no sense whatsoever.

The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

Hmmmm, chantry is the most  corrupted one too and one that almost all of the gamers are going to destroy......................not that Leliana is let them going to do that...................well if the chantry has to be destroyed Leliana is going to be kille d too. Cheers everyone!!!

I fail to see how your pointless blathering counters my point.

I mean, I know you can't coutner it cause you got nothing, so all you can do is basicly troll around...and apparently write sh***y poems.

Look guy i stopped being serious ever since I and Lord Aesir came to a comprising view towards the topic. I couldn't care less of what you write or think. Dont consider yourself so important.

Auintus approves +5

[Lotion Soronarr]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
The Chantry is pretty much the most powerfull organization in Thedas.
By what broken logic is having their protection useless? Being backed up by their word, their clout, their influence - that is nothing?

During the game they don't offer you anything because you never did have their full support. The Devs never went that route (since I guess it would make the game too easy...or they just didn't think of that).

So no. Not equally valid, no matter what abortion of logic you attempt to use.

But they never offer you anything more than that useless blessing, ever. So what use is their goodwill, if it doesn't benefit me. All that power and none of it is being used to help me combat the Blight.

But you don't know that. You don't know what they WILL offer you or do at that point. You cannot use out-of-character knowledge to justify in-game decisions.

It's clearly a very plausible scenario - after all, Andraste is practicly the most important figure in that religion.
The Warden would be regarded as highly as one of the great saints in Christianity.

That is logical. That the developers overlooked it is another matter completely.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Spicen wrote...
Look guy i stopped being serious ever since I and Lord Aesir came to a comprising view towards the topic. I couldn't care less of what you write or think. Dont consider yourself so important.

I'm happy for you....now would you stop trolling then if you got nothing to add?

Also, funny how you "stopped beign serious" when you ran out of arguments. What a startling coincidence.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 10 septembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[Auintus]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

But you don't know that. You don't know what they WILL offer you or do at that point. You cannot use out-of-character knowledge to justify in-game decisions.

It's clearly a very plausible scenario - after all, Andraste is practicly the most important figure in that religion.
The Warden would be regarded as highly as one of the great saints in Christianity.

That is logical. That the developers overlooked it is another matter completely.

Even in-game, an inteligent warden can see that the chantry refuses to help. Most any revered mother turns you away once she hears you are a warden. The Kolgrim outright promises the cultist's support, although they fail to deliver afterwards.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Didn't Morrigan already tell you that the dragon spoiler choice was going to be undone one day?

I don't think warning of not easy to kill or not to rule her out, really counted as telling you that 'will' be undone or that your character in the next game will be 'forced' to do it.

No. No, Morrigan came right out and said it would be undone one day.

She didn't say it would be the next protagonist would do it, but she said it would happen.

I don't recall her telling my character that. When did she say it to yours?

As specific as possible so I can go check it out.

That would be a spoiler, so I'm sending it via PM.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

But you don't know that. You don't know what they WILL offer you or do at that point. You cannot use out-of-character knowledge to justify in-game decisions.

It's clearly a very plausible scenario - after all, Andraste is practicly the most important figure in that religion.
The Warden would be regarded as highly as one of the great saints in Christianity.

That is logical. That the developers overlooked it is another matter completely.

Even in-game, an inteligent warden can see that the chantry refuses to help. Most any revered mother turns you away once she hears you are a warden. The Kolgrim outright promises the cultist's support, although they fail to deliver afterwards.

WRONG.
A idiot Warden you mean.

What "many revered mothers" do you refer to? What have you done up untill then that warrants their help?

Lothering? The Reverend mother there had her hands full with all the refugees.
There's no much she could do anyway given the circumstances - even less as she is only a Reverend Mother of Lothering.

Now, getting the ashes is something entirely different. It's a big thing. A huge event for the Chantry. Bound to get the Divines attention.

Think about the Catholic Church during the middle ages. A regular village priest has little clout outside the village. The Pope? He was a major mover in the world.

Your logic is just baffling.
By your logic we should have ignored Redcliffe....and help from any lords or nobles, because up untill that point none has done anything to help you.

[Auintus]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Even in-game, an inteligent warden can see that the chantry refuses to help. Most any revered mother turns you away once she hears you are a warden. The Kolgrim outright promises the cultist's support, although they fail to deliver afterwards.

WRONG.
A idiot Warden you mean.

What "many revered mothers" do you refer to? What have you done up untill then that warrants their help?

Lothering? The Reverend mother there had her hands full with all the refugees.
There's no much she could do anyway given the circumstances - even less as she is only a Reverend Mother of Lothering.

Now, getting the ashes is something entirely different. It's a big thing. A huge event for the Chantry. Bound to get the Divines attention.

Think about the Catholic Church during the middle ages. A regular village priest has little clout outside the village. The Pope? He was a major mover in the world.

Your logic is just baffling.
By your logic we should have ignored Redcliffe....and help from any lords or nobles, because up untill that point none has done anything to help you.

Watch the insults.
I asked for assistance of any kind, they say that since Loghain's got a price on my head, they can't associate with me. I know enough of the history of the catholic church to know that, if it's the same thing, they are as corrupt and material as any nobleman.
I never said to turn away help, I never said to not help anyone. I simply said that they refused to associate with me on the grounds of being a warden, a goddamn hero. That is enough to earn my ire. Even that templar in Lothering did more for me than any of the official chantry folks.
EDIT: I said "most any" Lothering she won't even talk to you, in Redcliffe you have to coerce her into telling a little white lie.

Modifié par Auintus, 10 septembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Demx]

Auintus wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Even in-game, an inteligent warden can see that the chantry refuses to help. Most any revered mother turns you away once she hears you are a warden. The Kolgrim outright promises the cultist's support, although they fail to deliver afterwards.

WRONG.
A idiot Warden you mean.

What "many revered mothers" do you refer to? What have you done up untill then that warrants their help?

Lothering? The Reverend mother there had her hands full with all the refugees.
There's no much she could do anyway given the circumstances - even less as she is only a Reverend Mother of Lothering.

Now, getting the ashes is something entirely different. It's a big thing. A huge event for the Chantry. Bound to get the Divines attention.

Think about the Catholic Church during the middle ages. A regular village priest has little clout outside the village. The Pope? He was a major mover in the world.

Your logic is just baffling.
By your logic we should have ignored Redcliffe....and help from any lords or nobles, because up untill that point none has done anything to help you.

Watch the insults.
I asked for assistance of any kind, they say that since Loghain's got a price on my head, they can't associate with me. I know enough of the history of the catholic church to know that, if it's the same thing, they are as corrupt and material as any nobleman.
I never said to turn away help, I never said to not help anyone. I simply said that they refused to associate with me on the grounds of being a warden, a goddamn hero. That is enough to earn my ire. Even that templar in Lothering did more for me than any of the official chantry folks.
EDIT: I said "most any" Lothering she won't even talk to you, in Redcliffe you have to coerce her into telling a little white lie.

They refused to associate with you because of the bounty on your head. If anything it would be like asking a politician for help, when the government has placed a bounty on your head.

[Auintus]

Siradix wrote...

They refused to associate with you because of the bounty on your head. If anything it would be like asking a politician for help, when the government has placed a bounty on your head.

The templar wasn't supposed to help me either, but he did. Indirectly, but he did.

Modifié par Auintus, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:08 .

[Demx]

Auintus wrote...

Siradix wrote...

They refused to associate with you because of the bounty on your head. If anything it would be like asking a politician for help, when the government has placed a bounty on your head.

The templar wasn't supposed to help me either, but he did. Indirectly, but he did.

The templar was also part of security. It looks less suspicious for someone on security handling what could be fugitives, then someone who is part of the chantry.