Why doesn't Anders stay dead in Awakening? Obviously it is because they want to further develop these characters. So why have the option at all you may ask? I can't answer that, since I don't work for BioWare. Ask the developers themselves if it is such an important question that needs an answer.Spicen wrote...
then why doesnt she stay dead once i killed her?
Modifié par TheChris92, 28 août 2012 - 11:18 .
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.
But he still appears in the game, just like Leliana will still appear. What's the problem here? How would you know if she's gonna appear again in the next title?he goes away until the end
Modifié par TheChris92, 28 août 2012 - 11:22 .
Milan92 wrote...
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Is this thread still going?
Yeah you have a prob??
Ofcourse, you want the option to kill a very popular character just for the heck of having the option. Kinda already tells me what kind of person you are.
Dont question what person i am. Real world and RPG gaming worlds r diff
Any sane person would never ask for a option to kill characters. Doesn't really matter if its real life or RPG. You will always make a decision based on your own personality wether you realize that or not.
Really?
The last time i looked DA was a rpg franchise and shud give the players options to kill anyone they want. About leliana being popular, shes not even half as popular as morrigan is, yet players have the option to stab her. Kinda tell what kind of people they are doesnt it?
You must have played a diffrent game then since the Morrigan in my game can't be stabbed nor killed.
then u didnt play witch hunt dlc, really shows how little lore you know of DA world.
I advice u dont question other people's moral without accounting for all the info.
As a matter of fact I actually did play Witch Hunt. And through out the entire DLC I have never seen the option to stab Morrigan. Your the first person who ever mention this entire option. Which makes me sure that probably barely anyone used that option to begin with..
You stabbed her did you? I'd be surprised if you didn't.
TheChris92 wrote...
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.
Spicen wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
Spicen wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
Spicen wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
Spicen wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
Spicen wrote...
Milan92 wrote...
Is this thread still going?
Yeah you have a prob??
Ofcourse, you want the option to kill a very popular character just for the heck of having the option. Kinda already tells me what kind of person you are.
Dont question what person i am. Real world and RPG gaming worlds r diff
Any sane person would never ask for a option to kill characters. Doesn't really matter if its real life or RPG. You will always make a decision based on your own personality wether you realize that or not.
Really?
The last time i looked DA was a rpg franchise and shud give the players options to kill anyone they want. About leliana being popular, shes not even half as popular as morrigan is, yet players have the option to stab her. Kinda tell what kind of people they are doesnt it?
You must have played a diffrent game then since the Morrigan in my game can't be stabbed nor killed.
then u didnt play witch hunt dlc, really shows how little lore you know of DA world.
I advice u dont question other people's moral without accounting for all the info.
As a matter of fact I actually did play Witch Hunt. And through out the entire DLC I have never seen the option to stab Morrigan. Your the first person who ever mention this entire option. Which makes me sure that probably barely anyone used that option to begin with..
You stabbed her did you? I'd be surprised if you didn't.
I didnt stab her, she was mt LI. And i saw it in youtube....google it for crying out lou.
Theres a dialogue where warden says: I ve had enough of you (Kill her).
I recommend u search in the google before talking again
TheChris92 wrote...
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.But he still appears in the game, just like Leliana will still appear. What's the problem here? How would you know if she's gonna appear again in the next title?he goes away until the end
I'm sorry what was the question? What happens if you leave her? Well, she'll meet you at the road out of Lothering trying to convince you to take her along with you, knowing you I bet you would say no. She leaves after that and won't appear in the game again. I ask again, what is the problem here? Why does she need to die why not just leave her?Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.
Thats different from killing her, coz she might be hiding, any way what happens u comes in her place if u leave her?
Yes, that's what the dialogue says, though it isn't shown whether or not she dies. It just shows her falling inside the mirror. If you want to believe what the developers have said then they have stated that they are not done with Morrigan.Spicen wrote...
I didnt stab her, she was mt LI. And i saw it in youtube....google it for crying out lou.
Theres a dialogue where warden says: I ve had enough of you (Kill her).
I recommend u search in the google before talking again
Why should I? Your the one who makes of a fool of himself by wanting the option to kill people. Maybe you should think twice before you say something again :innocent:
Modifié par TheChris92, 28 août 2012 - 11:29 .
Yup. Do that every time. She should be dead, killed by the Blight, but that doesn;t stop her from showing up again and again.TheChris92 wrote...
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.But he still appears in the game, just like Leliana will still appear. What's the problem here? How would you know if she's gonna appear again in the next title?he goes away until the end
TheChris92 wrote...
I'm sorry what was the question? What happens if you leave her? Well, she'll meet you at the road out of Lothering trying to convince you to take her along with you, knowing you I bet you would say no. She leaves after that and won't appear in the game again. I ask again, what is the problem here? Why does she need to die why not just leave her?Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.
Thats different from killing her, coz she might be hiding, any way what happens u comes in her place if u leave her?
What makes you think that she couldn't have outrun it? I know I said earlier that comic book canon is different from game canon, but if you are to believe in the characters that will appear in the upcoming comic. Why wouldn't they be capable enough to outrun it? I'm not gonna say anymore, trying to avoid possible spoilers for it.berelinde wrote...
Yup. Do that every time. She should be dead, killed by the Blight, but that doesn;t stop her from showing up again and again.TheChris92 wrote...
Uuuuuuhmmm, you can do that with Leliana as well... simply say "no" to her in Lorhering. She won't appear in the game again after that.berelinde wrote...
The difference with Anders is that you can dismiss him and he goes away until the end, at which point, you have two opportunities to kill him. Devs have also stated that he says dead. You had two chances tto kill Leliana in DAO, but she comes back in every DA titke in any media regardless.But he still appears in the game, just like Leliana will still appear. What's the problem here? How would you know if she's gonna appear again in the next title?he goes away until the end
If Leliana doesn' appear in DA3, you can say I told you so as much as you like. I would be delighted if you could say that, because it would mean that she is finally gone.
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, that's what the dialogue says, though it isn't shown whether or not she dies. It just shows her falling inside the mirror. If you want to believe what the developers have said then they have stated that they are not done with Morrigan.Spicen wrote...
I didnt stab her, she was mt LI. And i saw it in youtube....google it for crying out lou.
Theres a dialogue where warden says: I ve had enough of you (Kill her).
I recommend u search in the google before talking again
Why should I? Your the one who makes of a fool of himself by wanting the option to kill people. Maybe you should think twice before you say something again :innocent:
Yes, she comes back, just like how Anders comes back regardless if he died at Vigil's Keep. Why is his situation any different from Leliana's?Spicen wrote...
No, no u didnt get it. What happens in DA 2, where ur supposed to meet her, does she still come back or what?
Or why not for Sten? Wynne? Oghren? Shale? Alistair? Why don't they have the option either. What's your point?Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, that's what the dialogue says, though it isn't shown whether or not she dies. It just shows her falling inside the mirror. If you want to believe what the developers have said then they have stated that they are not done with Morrigan.Spicen wrote...
I didnt stab her, she was mt LI. And i saw it in youtube....google it for crying out lou.
Theres a dialogue where warden says: I ve had enough of you (Kill her).
I recommend u search in the google before talking again
Why should I? Your the one who makes of a fool of himself by wanting the option to kill people. Maybe you should think twice before you say something again :innocent:
Yes but my point is if such an option exists for a pop NPC like morri, why not for Lil in Da3. The option has to be there.
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, she comes back, just like how Anders comes back regardless if he died at Vigil's Keep. Why is his situation any different from Leliana's?Spicen wrote...
No, no u didnt get it. What happens in DA 2, where ur supposed to meet her, does she still come back or what?
TheChris92 wrote...
Or why not for Sten? Wynne? Oghren? Shale? Alistair? Why don't they have the option either. What's your point?Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, that's what the dialogue says, though it isn't shown whether or not she dies. It just shows her falling inside the mirror. If you want to believe what the developers have said then they have stated that they are not done with Morrigan.Spicen wrote...
I didnt stab her, she was mt LI. And i saw it in youtube....google it for crying out lou.
Theres a dialogue where warden says: I ve had enough of you (Kill her).
I recommend u search in the google before talking again
Why should I? Your the one who makes of a fool of himself by wanting the option to kill people. Maybe you should think twice before you say something again :innocent:
Yes but my point is if such an option exists for a pop NPC like morri, why not for Lil in Da3. The option has to be there.
What if I brought Justice with me to kill the Architect and the Mother. How could he save Anders when he was with me? Leliana could have been healed by the ashes, or the lyrium inside that room, it is about as likely as Anders surviving the keep. It's a fantasy game after all. If you're looking for 100 % realism you're gonna be a bit disappointed.Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, she comes back, just like how Anders comes back regardless if he died at Vigil's Keep. Why is his situation any different from Leliana's?Spicen wrote...
No, no u didnt get it. What happens in DA 2, where ur supposed to meet her, does she still come back or what?
Anders cud have been helped by Justice and become a vengeance thrall and it was only mentioned in the epilogue, as for Lil i personally saw her through yet for some funny reason she respawns.
Now, dont tell me the IT, killing her was not a hallucination
We don't see Alistair getting executed, we don't see Sten die, Wynne has the spirit inside, just like how we don't see Morrigan die in front of the mirror.Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Or why not for Sten? Wynne? Oghren? Shale? Alistair? Why don't they have the option either. What's your point?Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, that's what the dialogue says, though it isn't shown whether or not she dies. It just shows her falling inside the mirror. If you want to believe what the developers have said then they have stated that they are not done with Morrigan.Spicen wrote...
I didnt stab her, she was mt LI. And i saw it in youtube....google it for crying out lou.
Theres a dialogue where warden says: I ve had enough of you (Kill her).
I recommend u search in the google before talking again
Why should I? Your the one who makes of a fool of himself by wanting the option to kill people. Maybe you should think twice before you say something again :innocent:
Yes but my point is if such an option exists for a pop NPC like morri, why not for Lil in Da3. The option has to be there.
Its up to others who hate them to request for that. Mine is for Leliana.
As for DAO, sten can be L4D, Wynne killed in gaunlet, Alistair executed. As for Oghy, he was too drunk to kill.
TheChris92 wrote...
What if I brought Justice with me to kill the Architect and the Mother. How could he save Anders when he was with me? Leliana could have been healed by the ashes, or the lyrium inside that room, it is about as likely as Anders surviving the keep. It's a fantasy game after all. If you're looking for 100 % realism you're gonna be a bit disappointed.Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, she comes back, just like how Anders comes back regardless if he died at Vigil's Keep. Why is his situation any different from Leliana's?Spicen wrote...
No, no u didnt get it. What happens in DA 2, where ur supposed to meet her, does she still come back or what?
Anders cud have been helped by Justice and become a vengeance thrall and it was only mentioned in the epilogue, as for Lil i personally saw her through yet for some funny reason she respawns.
Now, dont tell me the IT, killing her was not a hallucination
And the cycle of violence continues as the old saying goes.. yeah I think we are done.Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
What if I brought Justice with me to kill the Architect and the Mother. How could he save Anders when he was with me? Leliana could have been healed by the ashes, or the lyrium inside that room, it is about as likely as Anders surviving the keep. It's a fantasy game after all. If you're looking for 100 % realism you're gonna be a bit disappointed.Spicen wrote...
TheChris92 wrote...
Yes, she comes back, just like how Anders comes back regardless if he died at Vigil's Keep. Why is his situation any different from Leliana's?Spicen wrote...
No, no u didnt get it. What happens in DA 2, where ur supposed to meet her, does she still come back or what?
Anders cud have been helped by Justice and become a vengeance thrall and it was only mentioned in the epilogue, as for Lil i personally saw her through yet for some funny reason she respawns.
Now, dont tell me the IT, killing her was not a hallucination
And thus the request to put the dagger in Lil's back.
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TheChris92 wrote...
What is wrong with you people, and your urges to kill fictional characters lately?
It's really not that which strikes me the most, berelinde. It is the fact that people want to kill off characters, simply because they feel an RPG should have that option or just because they don't like them/for the heck of it. I'm pretty sure, that no BioWare game has allowed you to do that before. Not to all of the characters. I'm not saying I want them to disregard player choice, I don't know why the option was there to begin with. So there.berelinde wrote...
@Chris92: If you don't recruit Leliana, she says that she is staying in Lothering to help the refugees. If she said that and then ran away anyway, it would lend weight to the Guardian's accusations. I would have like to think that she put her blatant opportunism aside just that once, but I could be wrong.
I get it. You like the character. You want to see more of her. I do not like her. I wouldn't go out of my way to kill her unless there was a solid role-playing reason to do it (i.e. my character was defending mages from her), but if the situation did arise, it would cause me no grief.
Mostly, though, I can understand the desire to kill her just to keep her from coming back. The devs have learned their lesson about resurrecting characters, so a knife between the ribs might finally cure the rash.
The ideal solution would be to just leave her out of future titles. There is no way to undo the damage caused by resurrecting her for DA2, but they can reduce the damage by just letting it drop and not trotting her out for DA3. Doubt that would happen, though. The fanboys would rage.
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berelinde wrote...
@Chris92: If you don't recruit Leliana, she says that she is staying in Lothering to help the refugees. If she said that and then ran away anyway, it would lend weight to the Guardian's accusations. I would have like to think that she put her blatant opportunism aside just that once, but I could be wrong.
I get it. You like the character. You want to see more of her. I do not like her. I wouldn't go out of my way to kill her unless there was a solid role-playing reason to do it (i.e. my character was defending mages from her), but if the situation did arise, it would cause me no grief.
Mostly, though, I can understand the desire to kill her just to keep her from coming back. The devs have learned their lesson about resurrecting characters, so a knife between the ribs might finally cure the rash.
The ideal solution would be to just leave her out of future titles. There is no way to undo the damage caused by resurrecting her for DA2, but they can reduce the damage by just letting it drop and not trotting her out for DA3. Doubt that would happen, though. The fanboys would rage.
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