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[Jadebaby]

The thing that pisses me off most abuot Destroy is that the Geth are gone, not because I'm all like "OMGGeThWeReMyFriEnDz!"

It's because we have already proved starchild wrong by uniting the Geth and Quarians, to go and kill them now would only cause future synthetics to, in fact, rise against us once they learn we wiped out their entire existence before.

Synthetics rising up against organics might not be inevitable, but if you follow the destroy path it will be.

The Geth's survival is crucial for organic and synthetic harmony.

Also, Geth have Reaper code now which makes them able to "understand" us at least a bit better, doesn't it?

Thoughts on this?

PS: I am, in no way, endorsing Starchild's logic. Only the results of the options he presents.

[Jadebaby]

PSS - Don't say "CSD aren't starchild's options, it's the crucibles, he just presents them." That's actually bs, all three options are connected to the citadel. The crucible is just the battery source to power these choices. Citadel is 'apart' of starchild.

[Samtheman63]

you are right, this is one of the problems with the ending

[Conniving_Eagle]

I used to have a really good post concerning this issue, but I lost it

[RiptideX1090]

Shepard proved Starchild wrong. The stupid little Dues Ex Machina should have shut down since his primary programming was basically completed by someone else.

But nope, we have to have forced sacrifice on top of the heaps of death and suffering and loss already. It's not like Mordin, Legion, and Thane are all dead or anything, or billions who died in the war. Nah, we had to have that one last insult to add to injury.

Modifié par RiptideX1090, 24 août 2012 - 05:32 .

[Krimzie]

I would assume that synthetics, if ever presented with the reasoning behind the decision to destroy synthetics, would understand the logic sans the emotional response to fight. That's the cool thing about the geth and EDI... logic over emotion every time. If synthetics were recreated and presented with their past destruction, they'd probably realize -- hey, we can be (and were) recreated. No harm no foul.

I think the kind of grudge that would promote war is unique to organics... take that as you will in terms of whether or not organics are even worth the sacrifice. (I chose destroy, so no comment. )

[RiptideX1090]

Krimzie wrote...

I would assume that synthetics, if ever presented with the reasoning behind the decision to destroy synthetics, would understand the logic sans the emotional response to fight. That's the cool thing about the geth and EDI... logic over emotion every time. If synthetics were recreated and presented with their past destruction, they'd probably realize -- hey, we can be (and were) recreated. No harm no foul.

I think the kind of grudge that would promote war is unique to organics... take that as you will in terms of whether or not organics are even worth the sacrifice. (I chose destroy, so no comment. )

Yeah, after the huge war with sentient starships led by a rogue AI nearly wiping out all life in the galaxy for the ten thousandth time, I'm sure organics are going to be just dandy with building more AI. And certainly not prone to nipping any potential problems in the bud ala Morning War.

Each ending is just Shepard losing. You either destroy the geth and hope for synthetics and organics in the future, continy the cycle as the Catalyst, impose peace by forcing everyone to become a hive mind, or let the Reapers keep on Reaping. What a joke.

[wright1978]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The thing that pisses me off most abuot Destroy is that the Geth are gone, not because I'm all like "OMGGeThWeReMyFriEnDz!"

It's because we have already proved starchild wrong by uniting the Geth and Quarians, to go and kill them now would only cause future synthetics to, in fact, rise against us once they learn we wiped out their entire existence before.

Synthetics rising up against organics might not be inevitable, but if you follow the destroy path it will be.

The Geth's survival is crucial for organic and synthetic harmony.

Also, Geth have Reaper code now which makes them able to "understand" us at least a bit better, doesn't it?

Thoughts on this?

PS: I am, in no way, endorsing Starchild's logic. Only the results of the options he presents.

What annoys me slightly is that i can't stop Legion upgrading the geth without wiping them out. Knew well in advance that was a nutty thing to do. So yes and no. I think it is understandable they die given what occurs but i wish there was a way to avoid that upgrade.

What annoys me about destroy is the lack of any proper integration/exposition of the Shep lives high EMS version.

[Zulufoxtrot]

I always head canon that the Starbrat is a lying little ****, and the Geth are fine, but yeah it's a big let down, and while I view destroy as probably the 'best' of the options, it's still an absolute joke for an ending.

[D24O]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I used to have a really good post concerning this issue, but I took an arrow to the knee 

[essarr71]

If the Geth stuck to their mantra of determining their own destiny instead of uploading Reaper code to skip ahead, they'd be alive.

[IElitePredatorI]

"Does this unit have a soul?"

[Mims]

The main thing that annoys me about destroy, is that while the game tells you the Geth and EDI will die, it doesn't show you. So you are left with the feeling it was arbitrarily tacked on.

If they want them to die, they should get the dignity of a death scene.

[RiptideX1090]

Mims wrote...

The main thing that annoys me about destroy, is that while the game tells you the Geth and EDI will die, it doesn't show you. So you are left with the feeling it was arbitrarily tacked on.

If they want them to die, they should get the dignity of a death scene.

That's something that pisses me off about the endings. They all have consequences, but even with the EC we don't get a good view of what those consequences are.

"So, yeah, Bioware here. The geth are dead now. That's a thing. Thanks for buying the game! And forget about that buy DLC thing from before, that was never there. We cool, right? Yeah, we cool."

[CronoDragoon]

Nothing proved the Starchild wrong, but the ending should have been different if you made peace in that scenario. At least choose some other sacrifice.

[shepdog77]

D24O wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I used to have a really good post concerning this issue, but I took an arrow to the knee 

By using that horribly insidious quote, I hereby abscond my vote for your moderatorship.  At least 7th Island Head never stooped THAT low with his obnoxious humor.

Good day, sir.

[RiptideX1090]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Nothing proved the Starchild wrong,

I proved him wrong on Rannoch. Legion proved him wrong. EDI and Tali proved him wrong.

None of it made a bit of difference in the end.

[-Skorpious-]

Mims wrote...

The main thing that annoys me about destroy, is that while the game tells you the Geth and EDI will die, it doesn't show you. So you are left with the feeling it was arbitrarily tacked on.

If they want them to die, they should get the dignity of a death scene.

I think they didn't show the Geth dying because there were afraid even more people would complain. If you never saw it, it never happened works for some people I guess. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 24 août 2012 - 05:54 .

[SpamBot2000]

Man Machine, pseudo human being
Man Machine, super human being

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 24 août 2012 - 05:57 .

[Ageless Face]

I don't think so. why would the future synthetics will attack the organics because you picked destroy? for vengeance? Not only that I doubt synthetics care for such things (esspecially since I doubt they'll even care for the old synthetics), but I don't see the reason why future synthetics should be aware of the destruction of the old synthetics, beyond the basics that synthetics mysetriously died along with the Reapers.

So unless someone created future syntetics to kill every synthetic in the galaxy, or people treated them horribly, or somehow the catalyst's logic is right, I don't see a reason for future synthetics to attack.

[RiptideX1090]

HagarIshay wrote...

I don't think so. why would the future synthetics will attack the organics because you picked destroy? for vengeance? Not only that I doubt synthetics care for such things (esspecially since I doubt they'll even care for the old synthetics), but I don't see the reason why future synthetics should be aware of the destruction of the old synthetics, beyond the basics that synthetics mysetriously died along with the Reapers.

So unless someone created future syntetics to kill every synthetic in the galaxy, or people treated them horribly, or somehow the catalyst's logic is right, I don't see a reason for future synthetics to attack.

Why not? Nothing in the endings makes any sense. Why should any of what follows make sense?

[BLAHBLUE2001]

Zulufoxtrot wrote...

I always head canon that the Starbrat is a lying little ****, and the Geth are fine, but yeah it's a big let down, and while I view destroy as probably the 'best' of the options, it's still an absolute joke for an ending.

This exactly. As far as I'm concerned that brat lied and both the Geth and EDI are just fine. 

[RiptideX1090]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

This exactly. As far as I'm concerned that brat lied and both the Geth and EDI are just fine. 

EDI's name is on the memorial wall. She's dead.

[shepskisaac]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The thing that pisses me off most abuot Destroy is that the Geth are gone, not because I'm all like "OMGGeThWeReMyFriEnDz!"

It's because we have already proved starchild wrong by uniting the Geth and Quarians, to go and kill them now would only cause future synthetics to, in fact, rise against us once they learn we wiped out their entire existence before.

Synthetics rising up against organics might not be inevitable, but if you follow the destroy path it will be.

The Geth's survival is crucial for organic and synthetic harmony.

Also, Geth have Reaper code now which makes them able to "understand" us at least a bit better, doesn't it?

Thoughts on this?

PS: I am, in no way, endorsing Starchild's logic. Only the results of the options he presents.

Except that the Catalyst is programmed with the the assertion that the conflict is inevitable. He was created like that. Not to mention, this is one example of temprorary peace out of thousands examples of conflicts the Catalyst witnessed. So why would he go "yep, that totally proves it!"?

You should rather be mad that they made the Crucible unable to recognize Reapers from other synthetics in Destroy despite the fact that it can perfectly recognize them in Control ending. That's the biggest inconsistiency and something that would allow Geth to be saved.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 août 2012 - 05:59 .

[BLAHBLUE2001]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

This exactly. As far as I'm concerned that brat lied and both the Geth and EDI are just fine. 

EDI's name is on the memorial wall. She's dead.

Not in my head it's not.