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[RedWulfi]

Okay on all of my playthroughs I made Alistair King. But now im up to the landsmeet again and Alistair automatically chooses to be king. Even though I supported Anora. I don't have the option to pick anyone. ;o;
What happened? Can I fix this?

Modifié par AndersIsLush, 24 août 2012 - 06:16 .

[theskymoves]

Don't let Alistair duel Loghain, and you'll have the chance to decide who gets the throne.

[RedWulfi]

I dueled him, not alistair. If I let loghain live he either leaves or is executed. If I kill him Alistair is king. I cant choose.

[theskymoves]

That's... weird. I always let the Warden duel Loghain, and have the chance to choose after he's been executed. Eamon immediately declares Alistair will be king, but that leads to the dialogue where the Warden decides. *scratches head*

[tklivory]

It might have something to do with your Coercion level or Cunning. If those are low enough, maybe the game decides you can't persuade the Landsmeet, and if Alistair is Hardened, he might just take the throne at that point.

[BevH]

tklivory wrote...

It might have something to do with your Coercion level or Cunning. If those are low enough, maybe the game decides you can't persuade the Landsmeet, and if Alistair is Hardened, he might just take the throne at that point.

I just checked the flags on this and the only thing the comments says is: IF: Alistair changed. Nothing on any of the other options, so I'm scratching my head on this one too. I know that on my last mage playthrough, that when I had Alistair fight the duel, he accepted without any input from the warden. But when I did a reload and fought the duel myself, the conversation progressed as usual with the warden making the decision.

[Wulfram]

I think if you initially refuse to Kill Loghain, then your only options are to have Alistair as King or see him exiled. So you need to pick "No. Loghain has to die for his crimes" rather than "Riordan has a point, we should put him through the joining" to get Warden Alistair.

[dainbramage]

It depends on the dialogue choices you make at the end of Alistair's side quest. If you respond harshly, you'll harden alistair and he says that he'll look out for himself more. Which can result in him deciding that he wants to be king.

[coldwetn0se]

The only way I have yet to successfully keep Alistair a Grey Warden, was by not hardening him, letting him fight Loghain, and then choosing Anora. This kept Alistair from taking the throne, and kept him from execution. I fully admit though, that I have hardly tried all methods, and the few times I tried before, I failed due to dialogue choices and conflicts in the role playing of certain Wardens.

[BevH]

coldwetn0se wrote...

The only way I have yet to successfully keep Alistair a Grey Warden, was by not hardening him, letting him fight Loghain, and then choosing Anora. This kept Alistair from taking the throne, and kept him from execution. I fully admit though, that I have hardly tried all methods, and the few times I tried before, I failed due to dialogue choices and conflicts in the role playing of certain Wardens.

In my first couple of playthroughs, I didn't know about hardening Alistair. As a result, my first one was to put an unhardened Alistair on the throne and marry him. My second time was to harden Alistair and keep him a warden. I wasn't using mods at the time, so I have no explanation as to why I suceeded other than I've always gone for coercion so it's maxed out by the time I get to the Landsmeet.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

My second HN playthrough (my King-Consort one) involved me dueling Loghain. (I picked Alistair, but somehow fought Loghain anyway, I think Alistair said I should do it myself since I wanted the throne.) I then let Alistair off Loghain, put Anora on the throne, and my Warden got a fancy new title because of it. I was kind of worried Anora would ditch him because he allowed Loghain's death, but it didn't happen that way.

[sylvanaerie]

AndersIsLush wrote...

I dueled him, not alistair. If I let loghain live he either leaves or is executed. If I kill him Alistair is king. I cant choose.

I've had it happen to me that I've dueled Loghain and killed him myself, gotten the choice part of the Landsmeet.  I've had Alistair kill him and if hardened, Alistair just takes the throne regardless of what I previously decided.  Sometimes when I played, when I did support Anora, I talked to Alistair in Eamon's estate after I spoke with her and before going to the Alienage, told him I would be supporting her.  What happened in the Landsmeet, I can't say, but perhaps that has an impact on it as well, if your character kills Loghain?  I know that my Dalish kept a hardened Alistair as a grey warden, putting Anora solo on the throne, but it's been so long since I played, I can't recall what I did to reach this conclusion.  Perhaps it was telling him I would be supporting her claim?  (He loses a few points but its so easy to get approval back up, you can do it with Duncan's shield) afterward.

All I know is anytime I wasn't a HNF and I let a hardened Alistair take the blow, it was completely removed from my hands who would be ruler.  If my warden killed him then it segued into the decision part of the story.

I've never had where I couldn't control who rules at the end of the game, the only choice I make before going into the game is who will rule.  Perhaps you've encountered a bug?

[Sam Carney]

Just for the record, if anyone ever felt bad about killing off Loghain, I red "the Stolen Throne," and he's just a bad person. There isn't much of a reason to feel bad.

[Angrywolves]

I always kill Loghain.

[BevH]

Faerunner wrote...

Sam Carney wrote...

Just for the record, if anyone ever felt bad about killing off Loghain, I red "the Stolen Throne," and he's just a bad person. There isn't much of a reason to feel bad.

Learning about what happens in "The Stolen Throne" actually got rid of the guilt I had. He knows what it is to be oppressed and hates his former oppressors to the core of his being, yet dismisses the enslaved alienage as "it seemed necessary at the time" and the CE as "egotistical" for objecting? He was always a lying, back-stabbing snake in the grass? Well, there goes that image of an honorable man that was just driven mad by pride and paranoia. Turns out he was a liar and a hypocrite all along. Time to reload and earlier save and kill him again.

While I've never had any guilt about killing Loghain, "The Stolen Throne" does indeed show his true colors. The only reason he accompanied Maric in the first place is because his father made him do it.

[Secretlyapotato]

Oh good. Before my only reason for killing Loghain was so the irony of Alistair sleeping with Morrigan could happen. >.<

Modifié par Secretlyapotato, 11 août 2013 - 05:28 .

[Sam Carney]

I felt really bad the first time I played it through, and I couldn't kill him. Now, I just can't feel bad, though I DO wonder if he'd have been better if he'd married Rowan, instead of Maric. That seemed like the only truly good part of him.

[Lady Yunalesca]

Yeah, if your going for Anora to take the throne, there is a bug where if you let Alistair kill him, even if he is unhardened he will become King regardless.

[Corker]

Faerunner wrote...

 He knows what it is to be oppressed and hates his former oppressors to the core of his being, yet dismisses the enslaved alienage as "it seemed necessary at the time" and the CE as "egotistical" for objecting?

Doesn't he also admit that he's a monster for doing it?  Not that he'd do it differently, given a chance to do it over; in his mind, he'd rather be a monster toward (the elven) some if it preserves (the human) many.  He seems to express some hope that the enslaved elves will at least survive, which he doesn't expect the rest of the Alienage to do, although honestly, that seems like more of a tacked-on justification after the fact.

Don't get me wrong - my CE and my DE both found his actions to be a killing offense.  But I don't think he dismisses it at all.  He knows exactly how wrong it is - and he does it anyway, because he thinks that it's strategically the right decision.

[sylvanaerie]

I always kill him. From an RP standpoint, to my wardens, Loghain is a liability, a backstabber who would turn around and stab my warden in the back if he could. He failed to act at Ostagar, failed to kill (repeatedly) my warden, failed as a human being when he thought selling others was a justifiable means of building his army to win the civil war he sparked by his OWN actions. As a general all his 'victories' happen off screen, so it's not evident unless you go digging up every little errata of conversation in the game, and they happen against the other nobles of Ferelden, not the darkspawn. He does little to nothing to stem the tide of darkspawn creeping over the country, the ACTUAL threat, instead of worrying about Orlesian wardens. BTW, that he accuses my warden of being Orlesian even knowing she's a Cousland or from the Denerim alienage, or a dwarf from Orzammar, is hints of over the top paranoia. So he's nucking futs on top of being a liability I don't have the patience by that point to take in.

If it looks like a rattlesnake, sounds like a rattlesnake, and bites like a rattlesnake, chances are, it's a rattlesnake. My reaction isn't to pick it up and kiss it.

His 'strategic retreat' leaves the country wide ass open for the incursion to spread, and he does little to diplomatically smooth over everything he's done. Had he dealt with the darkspawn and let Anora deal with the nobles instead of riding roughshod over her like he did EVERYone else, convinced ONLY HE can solve everything, things might have turned out better. As it is, he's incompetent to my wardens, an old has been who's best days were 30 years ago.

[Jedimaster88]

Faerunner wrote...



Try watching this video at 3:15 to 6:15 and try maintaining that argument.

If he truly believes it's better to live as a slave than die by darkspawn, then why does he refuse Orlesian aid knowing it will save human lives? Why is slavery an unforgivable travesty when it happens to him and his, but a necessary evil when it happens to them? Why is human freedom non-negotiable but elven freedom is? Why does he spit the word "elf/elven" like it's a curse word?


 

I watched that video. It seems I now have even more reasons to hate him.

Why do I get the feeling that all those elves who were sent to Tevinter before the warden stops it, will die a horrible death in some creepy blood magic ritual or something similar. To be killed by darkspawn or to be sold as a slave to Tevinter, either way there is propably only horrible death waiting in both options.