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[inko1nsiderate]

ZombieGambit wrote...

I did.

I still think the EC was unnecessary, but I'm grateful that it was indeed released. I don't need a traditional ride-off-into-the-sunset ending to be satisfied.

*zips up flamesuit*

I almost feel the same way.  The EC fixed a few legitimate problems the original endings had, but I feel the slideshows  were largely unnecessary.  I'm glad that it shifted the debate on the BSN from 'the universe is over, the mass relay explosions killed everyone' to 'synthesis is evil, and everyone who picks it is evil'.  The latter actually sparks interesting debate sometimes, while the former was just annoying.

To be clear I liked the endings and still do.  Let's fight!

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 25 août 2012 - 02:57 .

[webhead921]

Also, I think a lot of people are grouped with pro Enders when they actually are not. Perhaps we need a new title for these posters. "Meh-Enders."

[D24O]

MB957 wrote...

is s*** bogs

Kina smel liek s*** Dolan.

[MB957]

D24O wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Fixied

Lol, it took me a minute to process the change.

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[D24O]

But I did!

[Ithurael]

It was like eating a bunch of stewed tomatoes after eating a rack of lamb with merlot glaze and cherry reduction sauce. It wasn't really bad kinda, but it wasn't really good. However, compared to the first meal it was sh*t!

[D24O]

Ithurael wrote...

It was like eating a bunch of stewed tomatoes after eating a rack of lamb with merlot glaze and cherry reduction sauce. It wasn't really bad kinda, but it wasn't really good. However, compared to the first meal it was sh*t!

You're still here? Lol I'm surprised.

[MB957]

D24O wrote...

But I did!

lol

maybe some coffee?  or chai?

[D24O]

I liek coffee.

[deimosmasque]

webhead921 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I still haven't seen a pro-ender defend the thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings.

I am still waiting, wherever you may be.

I think there are a huge chunk of pro end posters who would agree that those problems exist.  I think a lot of "pro enders" don't necessarily think the ending is good, just not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.  Even the extended cut is flawed, but I can still enjoy it because it gives me a sense of closure and it is not nearly as poorly presented as the original end.

This.  It's kind of interesting how it seems to be human nature to just lump everyone in to th extremes of issues.

I liked the ending (or rather I didn't think it was the end of the world as some did) and I really liked the EC.  I'm not a "pro-ender" or anything like that.  I played a video game to the end, and wasn't disappointed by the ending.

Others were. 

Heck as a long time Treker I like the new Star Trek movie, others don't.  Doesn't make me less of a fan, more of a fan or anything.  Just a person who liked a movie.

It's when the vitriol hits that we make no progress as a community because we just keep arguing the same three or four points over and over, neither side ever giving anything to the other.  Mainly because its all become "with me or against me." 

Either you like the endings and troll by going "LOL! You don't get their vision!  You have no imagination!"

Or you hate them and troll by going "SPECULATION! ARTISTIC INTERGITY! :wizard:"

[Obadiah]

*Raises hand* I liked the ending.

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I still haven't seen a pro-ender defend the thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings.

I am still waiting, wherever you may be.

This.

That's easy. There wasn't a thematic or character assassination at the end of Mass Effect 3.

:whistle:Next question.

[MB957]

D24O wrote...

I liek coffee.

gooby..dis coughee tass lak p***!


sigh...has anyone seen my topic...I seem to have lost it somewhere...lol

[Ithurael]

D24O wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

It was like eating a bunch of stewed tomatoes after eating a rack of lamb with merlot glaze and cherry reduction sauce. It wasn't really bad kinda, but it wasn't really good. However, compared to the first meal it was sh*t!

You're still here? Lol I'm surprised.

Goobly pls

[D24O]

MB957 wrote...

gooby..dis coughee tass lak p***!

Gooby pls

[StrawberryRainPop]

legion 21 wrote...

i kinda did

oh thats nice

*vomits in a hat*

Here have this hat to protect yourself from the flames.

[The Eruptionist]

Some of the best moments in the series (yes in the series) existed in the ending scenes.

The final beam run was great, especially when playing it for the first time. There was a real sense of urgency.

Having Shepard injured to the point of almost dying was very well executed I thought. A representation of the exhaustion and toll of the journey that s/he has gone through throughout the 3 games. It looked and felt 'right'.

The Illusive Man's dialogue and Martin Sheen's voice acting. Okay, so it was basically Saren 2.0 but I still enjoyed it.

The artwork after being brought up from the beam was fantastic.

Anderson's final speech. Enough said.

The musical score and the cinematic that plays when Shepard makes the final decision was amazing; something that will always stick in my head when thinking about the game.


I didn't feel anything was thematically 'violated'. I initially did but then after actually getting to understand the endings I have come to the conclusion that they're logically and artistically consistent. I feel I may be in the minority on these forums.

[Hrothdane]

Who is this "Edning" person? I haven't met anyone by that name, so how would I know if I like them?

[webhead921]

I acknowledge the thematic problems, the terrible dues ex machina, and the contrived choices (among other flaws). I also like the end result after the extended cut. Ideally, we could have a very similar ending without star kid and his explanation of the reaper origin by having Shepard either choosing to use the crucible to destroy synthetics or attempting control by continuing whatever the Illusive man was doing. That would have been a better choice, would not contain character assassination and thematic confusion, and would be more consistent with the rest of the series.  I also admit that I I'm interested in the state of the galaxy in a post synthesis universe, while admitting that it is space magic and makes no sense.

Modifié par webhead921, 25 août 2012 - 03:16 .

[o Ventus]

Obadiah wrote...

*Raises hand* I liked the ending.

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I still haven't seen a pro-ender defend the thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings.

I am still waiting, wherever you may be.

This.

That's easy. There wasn't a thematic or character assassination at the end of Mass Effect 3.

Next question.

You sure about that? Care to elaborate?

[Obadiah]

o Ventus wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

*Raises hand* I liked the ending.

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I still haven't seen a pro-ender defend the thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings.

I am still waiting, wherever you may be.

This.

That's easy. There wasn't a thematic or character assassination at the end of Mass Effect 3.

Next question.

You sure about that? Care to elaborate?

You first.

[o Ventus]

Obadiah wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

*Raises hand* I liked the ending.

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I still haven't seen a pro-ender defend the thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings.

I am still waiting, wherever you may be.

This.

That's easy. There wasn't a thematic or character assassination at the end of Mass Effect 3.

Next question.

You sure about that? Care to elaborate?

You first.

You're the one staking a claim, and I'm the one asking you to elaborate your point.

In layman's terms, I asked you first.

[inko1nsiderate]

o Ventus wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

*Raises hand* I liked the ending.

Taboo-XX wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I still haven't seen a pro-ender defend the thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings.

I am still waiting, wherever you may be.

This.

That's easy. There wasn't a thematic or character assassination at the end of Mass Effect 3.

Next question.

You sure about that? Care to elaborate?

You first.

You're the one staking a claim, and I'm the one asking you to elaborate your point.

In layman's terms, I asked you first.

You actually staked the claim by asserting the endings were thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings. 

Since this isn't a scientific issue, I'm not sure how to evaluate who has the burden of proof, but it certainly seems to be the one trying to claim a specific hypothesis (you) rather than the null hypothesis.

Modifié par inko1nsiderate, 25 août 2012 - 03:21 .

[webhead921]

I wouldn't necessarily say its character assassination. It's mostly that sheaprdnis forced into a poorly written situation. I agree with thematic inconsistency, though.

[o Ventus]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

You actually staked the claim by asserting the endings were thematic assassination, character assassination of the protagonist, or confusion of genre in the endings. 

Since this isn't a scientific issue, I'm not sure how to evaluate who has the burden of proof, but it certainly seems to be the one trying to claim a specific hypothesis (you) rather than the null hypothesis.

But I was also the first one to ask for elaboration, which was my point. I should have clarified, my bad. In a sense, I really did ask first.

I can point to a number of youtube videos, articles, blogs, etc pointing out the same flaws I mentioned earlier (I think I'll create a list on a BSN blog tomorrow morning, it's almost midnight in my timezone), some of which going into excruciating detail.