dreman9999 wrote...
1. The old ending never exsisted.Lionfranky wrote...
Is it that most who felt disgusted with endings left the forum? I keep feeling original ending is objectively bad. Well, I try not to be a jerk, but the quality kinda forces me to... or lies from the devs.... Can people here who like even original ending can defend this?
http://social.biowar...index/10056886/
You sarcasm radar is off.Applepie_Svk wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. The old ending never exsisted.Lionfranky wrote...
Is it that most who felt disgusted with endings left the forum? I keep feeling original ending is objectively bad. Well, I try not to be a jerk, but the quality kinda forces me to... or lies from the devs.... Can people here who like even original ending can defend this?
http://social.biowar...index/10056886/
Ignorance is bliss...
Modifié par Obadiah, 25 août 2012 - 07:49 .
dreman9999 wrote...
You sarcasm radar is off.Applepie_Svk wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. The old ending never exsisted.Lionfranky wrote...
Is it that most who felt disgusted with endings left the forum? I keep feeling original ending is objectively bad. Well, I try not to be a jerk, but the quality kinda forces me to... or lies from the devs.... Can people here who like even original ending can defend this?
http://social.biowar...index/10056886/
Ignorance is bliss...
"o Ventus wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
Edi is the luna vi which did rebel, and what about the slot machine on the citadel, and overlord their are plenty of examples,
EDI (as the Luna VI) gained sentience whilst in the middle of a live-ammunition training exercise. She even says it herself that coming to life while under fire was "confusing". That isn't a rebellion. EDI (as a full AI) only rebelled against Cerberus.
The gambling AI on the Citadel only turned hostile because it's partner AI was "murdered" (I think it's creator was also killed by C-Sec, unless that's another side quest). Again, not a rebellion, and certainly not against it's creators.
Overlord involved interfacing a geth VI with a human brain. That's still not a rebellion, that's David's mind going insane from the VI being inside it.
Obadiah wrote...
With respect to rebellions - Geth memories in ME3 clearly show the Geth rebelling (not doing what they are told) and fighting for their survival against their creators.
And when their owners died the Geth didn't submit. The point is the Geth rebelled 300 years ago. That is a major part the Mass Effect lore, and is a major example of the syntheitc rebellion.o Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
With respect to rebellions - Geth memories in ME3 clearly show the Geth rebelling (not doing what they are told) and fighting for their survival against their creators.
The geth in ME3 are openly willing to submit themselves to the quarian military. They didn't do this because the quarians that owned them told them not to. You see this during the mission on Rannoch involving the geth consensus.
So by your logic, it would be a "rebellion" regardless of their actions, right?
Modifié par Obadiah, 25 août 2012 - 07:54 .
dreman9999 wrote...
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The gambling AI on the Citadel only turned hostile because it's partner AI was "murdered" (I think it's creator was also killed by C-Sec, unless that's another side quest). Again, not a rebellion, and certainly not against it's creators"
The gambling AI never had an AI parter and became hostal because of laws ageint AI in citadel space. Also, it's crator was a salarian who he caused to get put in Jail.
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Overlord involved interfacing a geth VI with a human brain. That's still not a rebellion, that's David's mind going insane from the VI being inside it. "
You missed what the rebellion was. The Mechs and geth that tried toattack you. Understand that if the overlord ai got out it would make all tech go ageints all organics becaus eit ordered them too.
Understand that this is in line with the concept."Machines do what they are programed to do."
Obadiah wrote...
The point is the Geth rebelled 300 years ago. That is a major part the Mass Effect lore, and is a major example of the syntheitc rebellion.o Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
With respect to rebellions - Geth memories in ME3 clearly show the Geth rebelling (not doing what they are told) and fighting for their survival against their creators.
The geth in ME3 are openly willing to submit themselves to the quarian military. They didn't do this because the quarians that owned them told them not to. You see this during the mission on Rannoch involving the geth consensus.
So by your logic, it would be a "rebellion" regardless of their actions, right?
Self defense is a rebellion. Rebellions happen for many reasons.o Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
The point is the Geth rebelled 300 years ago. That is a major part the Mass Effect lore, and is a major example of the syntheitc rebellion.o Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
With respect to rebellions - Geth memories in ME3 clearly show the Geth rebelling (not doing what they are told) and fighting for their survival against their creators.
The geth in ME3 are openly willing to submit themselves to the quarian military. They didn't do this because the quarians that owned them told them not to. You see this during the mission on Rannoch involving the geth consensus.
So by your logic, it would be a "rebellion" regardless of their actions, right?
Yeah, and my point is that it wasn't really a "rebellion". Self defense is not rebellion, especially when you're willing to submit, but are unable to.
Modifié par Obadiah, 25 août 2012 - 07:55 .
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Kroitz wrote...
Those Ednings make my nethers boil!
BringBackNihlus wrote...
Kroitz wrote...
Those Ednings make my nethers boil!
You know what really rustles my jimmies?
The synthesis ending.
Yes it is. The very concept of rebellion is self defence ageinst an opressive government or a goverment in disagreement. Rebelion is self defence.o Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
The point is the Geth rebelled 300 years ago. That is a major part the Mass Effect lore, and is a major example of the syntheitc rebellion.o Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
With respect to rebellions - Geth memories in ME3 clearly show the Geth rebelling (not doing what they are told) and fighting for their survival against their creators.
The geth in ME3 are openly willing to submit themselves to the quarian military. They didn't do this because the quarians that owned them told them not to. You see this during the mission on Rannoch involving the geth consensus.
So by your logic, it would be a "rebellion" regardless of their actions, right?
Yeah, and my point is that it wasn't really a "rebellion". Self defense is not rebellion, especially when you're willing to submit, but are unable to.
Obadiah wrote...
Self defense is a rebellion. Rebellions happen for many reasons.
1: opposition to one in authority or dominance.
2: open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government.
Modifié par o Ventus, 25 août 2012 - 08:05 .
1. You are very wrong.o Ventus wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
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The gambling AI on the Citadel only turned hostile because it's partner AI was "murdered" (I think it's creator was also killed by C-Sec, unless that's another side quest). Again, not a rebellion, and certainly not against it's creators"
The gambling AI never had an AI parter and became hostal because of laws ageint AI in citadel space. Also, it's crator was a salarian who he caused to get put in Jail.
Yes it did. The thief who created the gambling AI was arrested by C-Sec, and the AI created a duplicate of itself. A partner AI. The thief detonated the "original" AI and this caused the duplicate AI to distrust organics. Not a rebellion."
Overlord involved interfacing a geth VI with a human brain. That's still not a rebellion, that's David's mind going insane from the VI being inside it. "
You missed what the rebellion was. The Mechs and geth that tried toattack you. Understand that if the overlord ai got out it would make all tech go ageints all organics becaus eit ordered them too.
Understand that this is in line with the concept."Machines do what they are programed to do."
The mechs are lifeless tools. If someone steals your gun and aims at you, is your gun rebelling against you?
ZombieGambit wrote...
I did.
I still think the EC was unnecessary, but I'm grateful that it was indeed released. I don't need a traditional ride-off-into-the-sunset ending to be satisfied.
*zips up flamesuit*
1. To the creators submitting would mean killing the geth. That still iso Ventus wrote...
Obadiah wrote...
Self defense is a rebellion. Rebellions happen for many reasons.
http://www.merriam-w...onary/rebellion1: opposition to one in authority or dominance.
Ideologically, the geth didn't oppose anybody. The geth, as I've said, were willing to submit, but their individual owners held them back, as is made apparent in one of the memory cores.2: open, armed, and usually unsuccessful defiance of or resistance to an established government.
The geth didn't resist anybody, seeing how some of them willingly submitted (rather, attempted to). The geth weren't saying "no" to the quarians.
If anything, the non-military and non-governmental quarians were the ones rebelling when they withheld geth from the military, and the geth were caught in middle.
dreman9999 wrote...
1. You are very wrong.
http://masseffect.wi...Signal_Tracking
2.That the very concept of the problem with synthetics. That why the catalyst rebeled. The entire problemis the your forcing them to be tools. You not gettin gthat is the flaw of synthetics. That they can be used as toolsan be indiscrimiate. If EDI was still shacled and she wastoooed by TIm to vent the normady to kill everyone on the ship, she would do it.
dreman9999 wrote...
1. To the creators submitting would mean killing the geth. That still is
opposition to one in authority or dominance.
The quaran authority want to kill of the geth. If they fought back, they are rebelling.
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