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[brushyourteeth]

... because as we move north in Thedas, the climates get warmer. And just try and tell me that these people don't look insanely BA, dangerous, and regal:


    http://t2.gstatic.co...axtCExU7rtSw    http://t0.gstatic.co...dvSq2ADHCZdXGNA

   http://t0.gstatic.co...ucjU2Xhbg7-s    http://t3.gstatic.co...ZXfTGs0QEls0Zaw

       http://t2.gstatic.co...ZsagLFGrLti3oJF


Come on, even if that's not how you picture them, you have to admit they look awesome. And it's not like there aren't enough white people in Thedas, so there's room for something different. If we ever meet the Fog Warriors, I'd pee myself with happiness if they looked like this.
 
I respect the devs' creative direction, but I'd just like to formally endorse this particular brand of awesome.  
      

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 25 août 2012 - 03:44 .

[carine]

I think that would be really cool.

[LinksOcarina]

um...were not worried about racism right? Otherwise I don't mind the idea, it is a good one.

[Wrathion]

I thought Fog Warriors were all Kossith? Or mostly...
I wonder...if there's much genetic diversity among the Kossith.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I think how Bethesda and BioWare portray black people in their games is shameful. Everyone knows they have a different facial structure than whites. Instead of creating a different render, they just take the current render and darken it. I wouldn't say it's racist, but I would say it's really lazy.

Example
Example 2
Example 3

See what I'm sayin'?

[TamiBx]

...what is the Example 3 picture supposed to be...? A darkspawn? It creeped me out >_<

[brushyourteeth]

LinksOcarina wrote...

um...were not worried about racism right? Otherwise I don't mind the idea, it is a good one.

I think the only way this could turn out racist is if they were suddenly changed from being awesome freedom fighters to suddenly being evil slavers and blood mages. Which probably wouldn't happen.

But bad guys come in all shapes/sizes/colors. Someone will always be able to find racism when they look for it hard enough. It doesn't mean an exclusion should be made based on "what ifs." If it's a good art direction, then that's all it is. If it's not, it shouldn't be considered. But I think it's awesome. 

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
I thought Fog Warriors were all Kossith? Or mostly...
I wonder...if there's much genetic diversity among the Kossith.

Interesting! I'd honestly never considered that the Fog Warriors could be kossith!  Can anyone confirm that they are/were?

Seems to me like that would probably make them either Tal Vashoth or the descendants of Tal Vashoth, which could mean that the Qunari would have hunted them all down and killed them by now (or tried very hard to). But I don't know anything about that for sure.

[brushyourteeth]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think how Bethesda and BioWare portray black people in their games is shameful. Everyone knows they have a different facial structure than whites. Instead of creating a different render, they just take the current render and darken it. I wouldn't say it's racist, but I would say it's really lazy.

Example
Example 2
Example 3

See what I'm sayin'?

Soo... does that mean you like this idea, or no?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

TamiBx wrote...

...what is the Example 3 picture supposed to be...? A darkspawn? It creeped me out >_<

Ha! I never even thought of that, but that's good. It is what they should look like, afterall. It was just a poke at Bethesda. The point being, their character models are so bad, you can't tell if they're black or not.

[LinksOcarina]

brushyourteeth wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

um...were not worried about racism right? Otherwise I don't mind the idea, it is a good one.

I think the only way this could turn out racist is if they were suddenly changed from being awesome freedom fighters to suddenly being evil slavers and blood mages. Which probably wouldn't happen.

But bad guys come in all shapes/sizes/colors. Someone will always be able to find racism when they look for it hard enough. It doesn't mean an exclusion should be made based on "what ifs." If it's a good art direction, then that's all it is. If it's not, it shouldn't be considered. But I think it's awesome. 

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...
I thought Fog Warriors were all Kossith? Or mostly...
I wonder...if there's much genetic diversity among the Kossith.

Interesting! I'd honestly never considered that the Fog Warriors could be kossith!  Can anyone confirm that they are/were?

Seems to me like that would probably make them either Tal Vashoth or the descendants of Tal Vashoth, which could mean that the Qunari would have hunted them all down and killed them by now (or tried very hard to). But I don't know anything about that for sure.

true I guess. The problem is it's hard to be PC now a days with something like that. One RPG I like a lot is an old PS2 title called Rogue Galaxy, that featured a tribal character named Lilika in the cast...

 

I mean I know it's not racist at all, in fact she was a pretty unique character because she was a long-range fighter for the most part, while the rest of the cast had primarily melee attacks, but if it becomes too close to something realistic, it then becomes a bit...touchy.

Like from this design we get a decent mix of native american/african/mayan culture. Something that is an amalgam of culture would be stronger IMO, design 101 really, kind of like what they did with the various countries in Thedas being based on Europe. 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

brushyourteeth wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think how Bethesda and BioWare portray black people in their games is shameful. Everyone knows they have a different facial structure than whites. Instead of creating a different render, they just take the current render and darken it. I wouldn't say it's racist, but I would say it's really lazy.

Example
Example 2
Example 3

See what I'm sayin'?

Soo... does that mean you like this idea, or no?

I think it's an excellent idea. Moreover, I think those tribal warriors should be an inspiration to anyone in a creative position. They are their culture and are incredibly creative themselves.

[Wrathion]

brushyourteeth wrote...
Interesting! I'd honestly never considered that the Fog Warriors could be kossith!  Can anyone confirm that they are/were?

Seems to me like that would probably make them either Tal Vashoth or the descendants of Tal Vashoth, which could mean that the Qunari would have hunted them all down and killed them by now (or tried very hard to). But I don't know anything about that for sure.

Fenris...sort of mentioned it while he was explaining how he escaped Danarius. I just ASSUMED that Fog Warriors were Tal-Vashoth (and then the only Tal-Vashoth we've seen have been Kossith) since... Qunari presence is heavy where he lived. 
Okay ignore me. I've been trying to remember in detail but...I can't.

[LinksOcarina]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...
Interesting! I'd honestly never considered that the Fog Warriors could be kossith!  Can anyone confirm that they are/were?

Seems to me like that would probably make them either Tal Vashoth or the descendants of Tal Vashoth, which could mean that the Qunari would have hunted them all down and killed them by now (or tried very hard to). But I don't know anything about that for sure.

Fenris...sort of mentioned it while he was explaining how he escaped Danarius. I just ASSUMED that Fog Warriors were Tal-Vashoth (and then the only Tal-Vashoth we've seen have been Kossith) since... Qunari presence is heavy where he lived. 
Okay ignore me. I've been trying to remember in detail but...I can't.

No, I thought they were too. I also thought that this was where he learned the Qun. Of course, not all of them could be Kossith in the end, he did just say Qunari, which is technically just the name of the religion, not the race.

[Wrathion]

LinksOcarina wrote...


true I guess. The problem is it's hard to be PC now a days with something like that. One RPG I like a lot is an old PS2 title called Rogue Galaxy, that featured a tribal character named Lilika in the cast...

 

I mean I know it's not racist at all, in fact she was a pretty unique character because she was a long-range fighter for the most part, while the rest of the cast had primarily melee attacks, but if it becomes too close to something realistic, it then becomes a bit...touchy.

Like from this design we get a decent mix of native american/african/mayan culture. Something that is an amalgam of culture would be stronger IMO, design 101 really, kind of like what they did with the various countries in Thedas being based on Europe. 

Erm, have you ever heard of racial caricatures? That is definitely what she is. Is she Native American? If so, what tribe? Is her outfit inspired from their traditional clothings or just patched together from things you THINK Natives wear. 
I think the IDEA of mixing together cultures to make something awesome is nice but...people just don't do representing ONE culture right sometimes and it makes me sad.

Modifié par Alexandrine Delassixe, 25 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

The feathers covering her shoulder remind me of Morrigan. Sorry, just had to throw that out there.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 25 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[brushyourteeth]

Here we go. 

[EpicBoot2daFace]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Here we go. 

They don't sound friendly.

[Wrathion]

brushyourteeth wrote...

Here we go. 

OMG yay!! I didn't know Seheron had Natives I just assumed it was completely populated with Qunari. This is the awesomest thing i've learned all day.

[LinksOcarina]

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...


true I guess. The problem is it's hard to be PC now a days with something like that. One RPG I like a lot is an old PS2 title called Rogue Galaxy, that featured a tribal character named Lilika in the cast...

 

I mean I know it's not racist at all, in fact she was a pretty unique character because she was a long-range fighter for the most part, while the rest of the cast had primarily melee attacks, but if it becomes too close to something realistic, it then becomes a bit...touchy.

Like from this design we get a decent mix of native american/african/mayan culture. Something that is an amalgam of culture would be stronger IMO, design 101 really, kind of like what they did with the various countries in Thedas being based on Europe. 

Erm, have you ever heard of racial caricatures? That is definitely what she is. Is she Native American? If so, what tribe? Is her outfit inspired from their traditional clothings or just patched together from things you THINK Natives wear. 
I think the IDEA of mixing together cultures to make something awesome is nice but...people just don't do representing ONE culture right sometimes and it makes me sad.

The point I was making is that the idea of mixing cultures to make something is common and is usually done. Sometimes they don't, but this is obviously one of those examples where it can go either way. Dragon Age has sort of avoided that problem, although it is clear which group has influences which in terms of real-world analogues, and let's be honest, most of them are caricature's in the end too. Orlais and Antivia in particular. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 25 août 2012 - 04:46 .

[brushyourteeth]

Avejajed wrote...

I think this is a wonderful idea. Kind of reminds me of the people in Fable from Aurora. I think they probably are somehow related to the Qunari, but there's no reason why the two ideas could be incorporated into each other. Then again they may not be related at all, in which case drawing influence from tribes such as this would be a really cool idea to bring some much needed diversity into the DA world. Excellent thought, BYT. You always have really cool ideas. What I like the most about you as a forumite is you are always open to other ideas and thoughts. You're non-judmental and non-defensive if people question something you've brought up. Good job being awesome!

LOL, I think that's a little too kind of you, but I really do appreciate it. Thanks! 

And as for the underlined, I just think it would be a little silly to travel to Seheron and find that the people look like they're from Ferelden, or even Rivain - they should totally be fierce and wild and free. And above all, impressive.

And I guess I agree with some of the comments that this wouldn't work if you took an actual African tribe and plopped it down in Thedas (the artists/devs wouldn't want to do that anyway) though for the record, nobody's been shy about saying "Orlesians are basically Frenchmen."

I think it'd be enough to say "We made these Fog Warriors look awesome, drawing on inspiration from how amazingly cool and capable many of the tribal peoples of Africa look."

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Avejajed wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...


true I guess. The problem is it's hard to be PC now a days with something like that. One RPG I like a lot is an old PS2 title called Rogue Galaxy, that featured a tribal character named Lilika in the cast...



I mean I know it's not racist at all, in fact she was a pretty unique character because she was a long-range fighter for the most part, while the rest of the cast had primarily melee attacks, but if it becomes too close to something realistic, it then becomes a bit...touchy.

Like from this design we get a decent mix of native american/african/mayan culture. Something that is an amalgam of culture would be stronger IMO, design 101 really, kind of like what they did with the various countries in Thedas being based on Europe. 

Erm, have you ever heard of racial caricatures? That is definitely what she is. Is she Native American? If so, what tribe? Is her outfit inspired from their traditional clothings or just patched together from things you THINK Natives wear. 
I think the IDEA of mixing together cultures to make something awesome is nice but...people just don't do representing ONE culture right sometimes and it makes me sad.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the post was meant to say that drawing from several types of cultures, regardless of which ones, and adding new elements, may be better for the DA world than simply taking directly from one culture/tribe period. Regardless, someone's going to get offended no matter what anyone does and that's what makes me sad.

Anything would be a nice change at this point. The lack of culture in the DA series is so obvious. Why hasn't it been addressed yet? Why does everything (including characters) look so sterile? Mass Effect has the same problem.

[brushyourteeth]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Here we go. 

They don't sound friendly.

Fenris describes them as being "Wild. Brave.  And free with their affections."

So if you're on their bad side, they're probably not friendly. But who could blame them for not wanting to become Qunari converts or Tevinter slaves, amiright? 

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

Here we go.

OMG yay!! I didn't know Seheron had Natives I just assumed it was completely populated with Qunari. This is the awesomest thing i've learned all day.

Yeah, I'm really glad you brought the subject up because I'd honestly never thought of them being kossith before, so thanks!!