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[Brovikk Rasputin]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Shall I report you now for calling this user a "nutjob"?

You know, like you do every time someone loses their nerve at your frivolous trolling.

I don't know. If this CleverNoob dude is a user on here, I guess you have to right to do that. 

I stand by my post. 

yes he is...

Then feel free to report me. I don't think I've done anything wrong. 

Calling some random user a nutjob doesn't seem any worse to me, than calling Casey Hudson and the rest of Bioware bunch of hacks, because you dislike an ending to a game. 

Go ahead.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Sion1138 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Shall I report you now for calling this user a "nutjob"?

You know, like you do every time someone loses their nerve at your frivolous trolling.

I don't know. If this CleverNoob dude is a user on here, I guess you have to right to do that. 

I stand by my post. 

He is... But kudos for standing up for what you think. Even if you are being an a-hole.

So, tell me this. Do people sometimes get annoyed by your, uhm, integrity?

Well, just look at this thread. I don't really care. I paid for the game like everyone else on here, so people can't tell me what to think. 

Back on topic.

[GreyLycanTrope]

StElmo wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Clevernoob wants people to keep watching his hour long vids, so he'll keep the rumors going, or generate them if need be. This guy going "all will be revealed in a year, I have an anonymous source" just doesn't strike me as particularly trustworthy, he's either making it up or working on bad information. Project X ain't happening.

Wont this adversely affect him if he is proven wrong?

Not really, saying he got the info from an anonymous source means he can later claim the misinformation given was not meant to be malicous or intentionally misleading, he just made a mistake in trusting the bad info of his anonymous source. People might be willing to accept that he simply made a mistake, he's not the only one still supporting IT and if all of them are proven wrong in time they're more likely to be sympathetic since they made the same mistake.

[Darth Malice113]

Sion1138 wrote...

Ok, I'll get back on topic but first: An honest question.

Why do you so vehemently defend this game and it's developers? If you had a fun time with it, why dwell on these forums pissing people off all the time?

And as for Bioware, do you feel you owe them something? You don't, no one does. They got compensated justly for their work, they're rich. Or perhaps you really do owe them something? Hmmm....

A lot of people feel cheated, disappointed and whatnot. And they can't let it go. So then you come here and antagonize them. You're constantly telling people what to think yourself. Why don't you just... I don't know... Lay off of it?

It's all a tad bit suspicious you know. 

Exactly.

Not sure why people feel the need to defend companies that make millions of dollars.

If people liked what you got, fine. But sometimes I think a lot off this "defence" is a malicious attempt at stirring up the pot for those that are not satisfied.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Sion1138 wrote...

Ok, I'll get back on topic but first: An honest question.

Why do you so vehemently defend this game and it's developers? If you had a fun time with it, why dwell on these forums pissing people off all the time?

And as for Bioware, do you feel you owe them something? You don't, no one does. They got compensated justly for their work, they're rich. Or perhaps you really do owe them something? Hmmm....

A lot of people feel cheated, disappointed and whatnot. And they can't let it go. So then you come here and antagonize them. You're constantly telling people what to think yourself. Why don't you just... I don't know... Lay off of it?

... alright then. One last post in here then (sorry OP).

I defend the game because I like it very much, and because I find it silly how some people are saying that it's a bad game. That's simply not true. Actually, I'm nowhere near as active on here as I was a month ago. I come on here a few times every week, but that's about it, at this point. I paid for the game, so why shouldn't I be allowed onto the forums?

Do I feel I own Bioware anything? Nah, not really. I couldn't care less. They pulled some crappy **** with their Day-1 DLC and the whole EMS thing. I'm a Mass Effect fanboy, not a Bioware fanboy. I love the Mass Effect franchise, which is why I'm here. 

I see just as many people on here making fun of people who likes the ending, saying they have low standards, bad taste etc. Why shouldn't I be allowed to speak against that? If you hate the endings, fine, but we don't need twenty threads about it every day, and we especially don't need every positive thread on here to be turned into yet another whine fest, by same ten people. 

[Rifneno]

Henioo wrote...

ME3 ending was just bad writing.

Ladies and gentlemen, the goto excuse for literalists. Why does Shepard get indoctrinated eyes in control/synthesis? Because bad writing. Why does Shepard wake up on what seems to be Earth after being at the epicenter of a blast measured in tens to hundreds of kilotons? Because bad writing. Why does control sound like TIM, synthesis sound like Saren, and starbrat actively discourages destroy? Because bad writing. Why does the kid on Earth only interact with Shepard while he teleports around, appears beside unique warning stickers with a bolt to someone's head, and spout cryptic warnings? Because bad writing. Why is the control option labeled "bad choice a" in the game's data files? Because bad writing. Why does the indoctrination codex mention "hallucinations of ghostly presences", which sounds a lot like the 'catalyst' and nothing like anything else mentioned involving indoctrination? Because bad writing. I could go on and on... This is why it's impossible to try to reason with literalists. It's not even like arguing with a brick wall because at least a brick wall keeps its mouth shut and is only thought a fool rather than opening it and proving so.

[paxxton]

AkodoRyu wrote...

I_eat_unicorns wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Where did Clever noob say that Chris was lying?

"He also put a devil symbol after the post..."

Which he's doing every time he posts anything. Whether closing a thread, posting news or saying that he likes pie. Just so you know.

So does  = lying? It rather means you are saying something unpleasant, but what may be true. Depending on the context, it can also mean you are teasing people.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 août 2012 - 01:48 .

[BatmanPWNS]

IT supporters are just in denial that the "GREAT BIOWARE" could actually mess up this much.

[Rifneno]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

IT supporters are just in denial that the "GREAT BIOWARE" could actually mess up this much.

People who use words like "PWN" are just in denial that they weren't smart enough to pick up on something.

[BatmanPWNS]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

IT supporters are just in denial that the "GREAT BIOWARE" could actually mess up this much.

People who use words like "PWN" are just in denial that they weren't smart enough to pick up on something.

Or people who use "PWN" in their name know it will stand out instantly. Which it seems to have.

[Rifneno]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

IT supporters are just in denial that the "GREAT BIOWARE" could actually mess up this much.

People who use words like "PWN" are just in denial that they weren't smart enough to pick up on something.

Or people who use "PWN" in their name know it will stand out instantly. Which it seems to have.

In the same way a She-Ra lunchbox does, yes.

[Ithurael]

Rifneno wrote...

Henioo wrote...

ME3 ending was just bad writing.

Ladies and gentlemen, the goto excuse for literalists. Why does Shepard get indoctrinated eyes in control/synthesis? Because bad writing. Why does Shepard wake up on what seems to be Earth after being at the epicenter of a blast measured in tens to hundreds of kilotons? Because bad writing. Why does control sound like TIM, synthesis sound like Saren, and starbrat actively discourages destroy? Because bad writing. Why does the kid on Earth only interact with Shepard while he teleports around, appears beside unique warning stickers with a bolt to someone's head, and spout cryptic warnings? Because bad writing. Why is the control option labeled "bad choice a" in the game's data files? Because bad writing. Why does the indoctrination codex mention "hallucinations of ghostly presences", which sounds a lot like the 'catalyst' and nothing like anything else mentioned involving indoctrination? Because bad writing. I could go on and on... This is why it's impossible to try to reason with literalists. It's not even like arguing with a brick wall because at least a brick wall keeps its mouth shut and is only thought a fool rather than opening it and proving so.

LOL

In the end one party will be correct. Literalists or IT Dream Theorists.

Here are the conditions for IT Dream to be successful:
- There will be a post-breath DLC that shows what happens after Shepard wakes up and finishes the war against the reapers (Not happening - confirmed by BIoware three times now)
- A new title where shepard wakes up and finishes the fight against the reapers (still slightly possible)

So, the next Mass Effect Title HAS TO DO THIS It has to show what happens when shepard wakes up. That is what IT Dream Theorists NEED to be right.

There you have it people.

And - as for handwaving - the IT Dream is a uber-conveniant way to handwave many of the plotholes that bad writing theory states as bad writing:
- How did shepard survive the explosion in destroy
   - BW: It was just bad writing
   - IT: IT was a Dream

- How can shepard survive in space?
   - BW: It was just bad writing
   - IT: It was a dream

- How did shepard survive harbingers beam
   - BW: It was just bad writing
   - IT: Harbinger wanted to knock him into a dream to indoctrinate him

- Why is it the ending seems to come out of nowhere and not make sense in the narrative
  - BW: It was just bad writing
   - IT: Because it is a dream

Each offers a handwave that answers all the questions we have. One is just a bit more direct  (bad writing) wheras the other creates a reality to justify the plotholes. In the end - one will be right and the other will not be.

But Remember...the next Mass Effect Title NEEDS TO SHOW What happens when shepard wakes up in order for IT Dream to be alive.

[Rifneno]

If you think indoctrination is a dream, you fail Lore 101. "It was all a dream" is a bad plot device because it means that whatever occurred didn't matter at all. Indoctrination is different because what occurs in it does matter. If you fail, Shepard is a slave to the Reapers and all is lost. It doesn't get anymore important than that.

[Darth Death]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Ok, I'll get back on topic but first: An honest question.

Why do you so vehemently defend this game and it's developers? If you had a fun time with it, why dwell on these forums pissing people off all the time?

And as for Bioware, do you feel you owe them something? You don't, no one does. They got compensated justly for their work, they're rich. Or perhaps you really do owe them something? Hmmm....

A lot of people feel cheated, disappointed and whatnot. And they can't let it go. So then you come here and antagonize them. You're constantly telling people what to think yourself. Why don't you just... I don't know... Lay off of it?

... alright then. One last post in here then (sorry OP).

I defend the game because I like it very much, and because I find it silly how some people are saying that it's a bad game. That's simply not true. 

Maybe you should be more honest to yourself & admit you don't care for well written stories, but still enjoy them anyways. I could see that. It's your opinion that you regard ME3 story to be good, but there are somethings (from a literary standpoint governing rules to good story-telling) that isn't opinionated, especially if people have already pointed out the obvious flaws several times now.  

[Ithurael]

Rifneno wrote...

If you think indoctrination is a dream, you fail Lore 101. "It was all a dream" is a bad plot device because it means that whatever occurred didn't matter at all. Indoctrination is different because what occurs in it does matter. If you fail, Shepard is a slave to the Reapers and all is lost. It doesn't get anymore important than that.

Oh for f*ck sakes.

IT Dream =/= IT Con

IT Con i have stated is more valid than IT Drea (thus why I specified it as such)

IT Dream is what clevernoob (and the Was the ending a hallucination thread) is all about. It states that after harbinger blasts you shepard goes into a dreamstate and the entire ending never happened in real life.

IT Con states that the ending did happen in real life and the RGB explosions happened as well.

I hope that clears it up. Yeah I totally agree using the It was a dream is a horrible device, but that is the allure of the IT Dream theory - it means that (should it be true) we will get new endings that won't suck.

[StElmo]

Greylycantrope wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Clevernoob wants people to keep watching his hour long vids, so he'll keep the rumors going, or generate them if need be. This guy going "all will be revealed in a year, I have an anonymous source" just doesn't strike me as particularly trustworthy, he's either making it up or working on bad information. Project X ain't happening.

Wont this adversely affect him if he is proven wrong?

Not really, saying he got the info from an anonymous source means he can later claim the misinformation given was not meant to be malicous or intentionally misleading, he just made a mistake in trusting the bad info of his anonymous source. People might be willing to accept that he simply made a mistake, he's not the only one still supporting IT and if all of them are proven wrong in time they're more likely to be sympathetic since they made the same mistake.

I don;t see it that way, I don't see why others would.

If someone gives me a false rumour, then they are no longer trusted. Simple.

[StElmo]

Rifneno wrote...

If you think indoctrination is a dream, you fail Lore 101. "It was all a dream" is a bad plot device because it means that whatever occurred didn't matter at all. Indoctrination is different because what occurs in it does matter. If you fail, Shepard is a slave to the Reapers and all is lost. It doesn't get anymore important than that.

So what is the EC slides? are they just shepard going "EEEERGH I DID THE RIGHT THING!!!!!" in his head while walking around as a husk?

[Rifneno]

StElmo wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

If you think indoctrination is a dream, you fail Lore 101. "It was all a dream" is a bad plot device because it means that whatever occurred didn't matter at all. Indoctrination is different because what occurs in it does matter. If you fail, Shepard is a slave to the Reapers and all is lost. It doesn't get anymore important than that.

So what is the EC slides? are they just shepard going "EEEERGH I DID THE RIGHT THING!!!!!" in his head while walking around as a husk?

Possible, if they trying to trick the player as the Reapers trick Shepard.  I mean those slides weren't there originally, they only changed things in EC because the fanbase just about started a riot and epilogue slides was very high on the list of demands.  What's depressing is that it's easy to not take epilogue slides seriously because the Dragon Age team already got away with pulling a "slides aren't canon, it never happened".

[Jadebaby]

Chris says Clevernoob is lying...


Clevernoob says Chris is lying...



The cycle cannot be broken

[Darth Death]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Chris says Clevernoob is lying...


Clevernoob says Chris is lying...



The cycle cannot be broken

Maybe they're both lying. E-gasp!

[Jadebaby]

Darth Death wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Chris says Clevernoob is lying...


Clevernoob says Chris is lying...



The cycle cannot be broken

Maybe they're both lying. E-gasp!

Nope, because then we have a fallacy, and I can't see that ever being imposed on the Mass Effect story....

Oh wait..