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[Estelindis]

sesheta255 wrote...
I started a new game yesterday to play on nightmare for the first time. I have just reached Lotheringen and actually I was surprised how strong Alistair came across in the Wilds and the Tower of Ishal, and how broken he was after that when I awoke in Flemeths place. He suddenly leaves all decisions to you and is reduced to tears everytime Duncan gets mentioned....

I noticed the very same thing on my second playthrough.  Alistair is quite commanding during the mission in the Wilds.  It's clear he's still "him" before and after (he has witty and self-deprecating comments all the way through the game), but it looks like he was confident in his position in the Wardens...  Like they wanted him for who he was and what he could do, rather than to put him on the shelf because of who he was related to.  So, even though he was taking orders from Duncan, he came across to me as more than capable of issuing orders to the new Grey Warden recruits.  His firmness with Jory when the group comes across the surviving soldier really impressed me.  Then comes the battle...  And yes, he really is broken.  But one spends so much time dealing with that later that it's easy to forget he wasn't always such.

[AiTenshi1]

Creature 1 wrote...

More analysis of Alistair and Zevran.

Alistair gave my mage a rose, and said that she reminded him of it. My mage specializes in freezing, burning, and electrocuting masses of enemies, often human. She attempts to crush the life out of enemy mages in a magical cage or knocks them back 20 feet with a massive stone projectile. She may not be out there smashing heads with a maul, but there is nothing delicate about her--she can kill you with her brain. Yet Alistair perceives her as being innocent and in need of protection.

Zevran, on the other hand, realizes you could kill him any time you want, and while he does want to protect you, he wants to protect you by going into battle at your side so he can backstab your attackers.

Yes, so I prefer Zevran.

Umm... Alistair does give you a rose, but he also stresses that you are NOT a delicate flower and that he does not mean to imply that you are by his gift. He also stresses that he prefers to follow rather than lead, including following you as the leader.

I am not interested in the male romances; I prefer Lelianna (as she's all I've got, I guess). However, I like Alistair's humor much more than Zevran's slick, playboy attitude. I understand where Zevran's attitude comes from due to his past and experiences, but I don't usually like people who behave like that. I just liked Alistair's somewhat self-effacing humor and ability to laugh at himself, as well as his willingness to show weakness and feeling regardless of his heritage and generally well-built physique.

On the other hand, I play all female parties as soon as I can.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...

Ok, I had to check what would happen with a hardened Alistair if Anora was made queen and the PC sacrificed herself. That leaves Alistair alone. He ends up fine as long as he has someone strong by his side, be it Anora, the PC, or Eamon. He doesn't turn out well if he does not. And it's very sad. It can't be losing the PC that makes him fail in life, because this is only one of the ways that he loses her, and while it's not his most tragic ending, if he has someone strong with him, he turns out ok. It's too bad that he was willing to give up the one person who would have stood with him if he weren't king.

As a character, I think Alistair is fantastic. He's complex, he's beautiful, his heart is definitely in the right place. I like him a lot, and the romance is absolutely amazing. But I still say he's not strong. He strikes me, no matter what, as a tragic hero.

So sad having both Alistair and Zevran in love when she died. *cry*

The funny thing is, what bothers me about the Morrigan ritual is not the sex. It is that you have no clue what exactly it is you're unleashing on the world.

Yes, it is beyond sad when your character dies, to see what happens to both of them. Zev pretty much becoming a callow sex machine with no more desire or capability to find love anymore, and Alistair wandering off heartbroken into oblivion. Neither fates one would wish on loved ones left behind.

It seems that the arguements of Alistair being weak or not are subjective relating to our own personal points of view of such things. Just as everyone has opinions on what constitutes beauty or uglieness, pleasure or pain, weakness and strength are subjective, both from an RPG and personal player views, often shaped by our own experiences in life.

Alistair has flaws and weaknesses, but his over all person, to me, was not "weak". Even strong people have weaknesses. But in general, after Wynne and Zevran, he's pretty much one of the most mentally stable party members, all things considered. He has his "breaking point", but in general, I found that it was pretty easy to predict his reactions to almost anything, and good or bad, there were few surprises with him.

One of Alistair's strengths is that he does admit when he is wrong, or being stupid. In my eyes, it takes a big person to do so, as most people will always find someone or something else to blame. His conversation about being raised by the Arl also shows that he had his own points of maturing. Such as when talks about how he felt when he got sent off to the Chantry, being despised by Isolde, and his period of bitterness, resentment, and tantrums eventually grew into acceptance, and he decided not to hate the Arl, or even Isolde. (And even though in Redcliffe, when Isolde still shows herself to be a contemptous **** in regards to Alistair, he still shows concern for her well being, no hard feelings, even goes ballistic if you decide to kill her to save Connor). To be able to forgive and move on from such things takes alot of personal strength. At least in my opinion.

As far as needing someone, that's just who he is. Some people really cannot handle being alone without someone for company or some sort of familial like bond. It's not a weakness. My husband is like that. I myself dislike company and prefer solitude, and do better when I'm on my own, but that's a personal trait. Some people do better and need to know someone has their back at all times, in an emotional and social setting. Given Alistair's history and personality, his need for someone makes perfect sense.

Edit to add: I agree about the Morrigan ritual. Having Alistar mate with her was not what was making my skin crawl. It was the fact that I had to coerce him into doing something that he viewed as an act done in love with a woman he found to be creepy, evil, untrustworthy, and loathesome. And knowing that it would produce something that had rammifications that no one really knew, or could predict.

getting him to do the dirty with Morrigan was like making him submit himself to a form of rape, which in many aspects, it runs extremely close. I always hang my head in shame and hit esc when I agree to the ritual.

Modifié par Skadi_the_Evil_Elf, 26 décembre 2009 - 04:39 .

[ejoslin]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Yes, it is beyond sad when your character dies, to see what happens to both of them. Zev pretty much becoming a callow sex machine with no more desire or capability to find love anymore, and Alistair wandering off heartbroken into oblivion. Neither fates one would wish on loved ones left behind.

It seems that the arguements of Alistair being weak or not are subjective relating to our own personal points of view of such things. Just as everyone has opinions on what constitutes beauty or uglieness, pleasure or pain, weakness and strength are subjective, both from an RPG and personal player views, often shaped by our own experiences in life.

Alistair has flaws and weaknesses, but his over all person, to me, was not "weak". Even strong people have weaknesses. But in general, after Wynne and Zevran, he's pretty much one of the most mentally stable party members, all things considered. He has his "breaking point", but in general, I found that it was pretty easy to predict his reactions to almost anything, and good or bad, there were few surprises with him.

One of Alistair's strengths is that he does admit when he is wrong, or being stupid. In my eyes, it takes a big person to do so, as most people will always find someone or something else to blame. His conversation about being raised by the Arl also shows that he had his own points of maturing. Such as when talks about how he felt when he got sent off to the Chantry, being despised by Isolde, and his period of bitterness, resentment, and tantrums eventually grew into acceptance, and he decided not to hate the Arl, or even Isolde. (And even though in Redcliffe, when Isolde still shows herself to be a contemptous **** in regards to Alistair, he still shows concern for her well being, no hard feelings, even goes ballistic if you decide to kill her to save Connor). To be able to forgive and move on from such things takes alot of personal strength. At least in my opinion.

As far as needing someone, that's just who he is. Some people really cannot handle being alone without someone for company or some sort of familial like bond. It's not a weakness. My husband is like that. I myself dislike company and prefer solitude, and do better when I'm on my own, but that's a personal trait. Some people do better and need to know someone has their back at all times, in an emotional and social setting. Given Alistair's history and personality, his need for someone makes perfect sense.

I take the Zevran ending as meaning the opposite.  He has many offers OF bed partners, not many offers FROM bed partners -- I don't think he slept with anyone again.  He also keeps his distance from everyone and is just completely ruthless.  Everything that was good in him dies along with the PC.  Very sad.  I think the Alistair ending is sadder, because he could have done so much, but can't follow through on even the one thing he claimed to be most important to him.  I will have to try seeing what happens if the PC dies and they never romanced with Anora solo queen -- I'm hoping that he ends up a bit better.

The reasons I think Alistair is weak are many, and of course it's just my view of what inner strength is, and how I actually see the character through various actions and dialog.  But I've incurred the wrath of many Alistair fangirl 

And Alistair putting Isolde and Conner ahead of the villagers who are remaining is one thing I see as a weakness.  I hate that part of the story.  It's so wrong on so many levels.

Edit: The wording of the Zevran ending is a bit ambiguous, and could be taken either way.  That probably is deliberate.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 décembre 2009 - 05:04 .

[Antikristine]

ejoslin wrote...

I take the Zevran ending as meaning the opposite.  He has many offers OF bed partners, not many offers FROM bed partners -- I don't think he slept with anyone again.  He also keeps his distance from everyone and is just completely ruthless.  Everything that was good in him dies along with the PC.  Very sad.  I think the Alistair ending is sadder, because he could have done so much, but can't follow through on even the one thing he claimed to be most important to him.  I will have to try seeing what happens if the PC dies and they never romanced with Anora solo queen -- I'm hoping that he ends up a bit better.

The reasons I think Alistair is weak are many, and of course it's just my view of what inner strength is, and how I actually see the character through various actions and dialog.  But I've incurred the wrath of many Alistair fangirl 

And Alistair putting Isolde and Conner ahead of the villagers who are remaining is one thing I see as a weakness.  I hate that part of the story.  It's so wrong on so many levels.

Edit: The wording of the Zevran ending is a bit ambiguous, and could be taken either way.  That probably is deliberate.

I interpreted the story about Zevran not taking a lover again that he didn't allow himself to love again. The word "lover" does not mean sexual partner, but implies a romantic relationship. I think this indeed is heartbreaking, but the idea that he wouldn't have sex again is just out of character for Zevran.

As for Alistair, he was never heartbroken when I romanced him in my first playthrough as human noble. I tried three endings in which he sacrificed himself, my PC sacrificed herself, and in which I accepted Morrigan's offer. When I accepted the offer and the PC could stay with Alistair as his queen, he was indeed a happy man and seemed to be genuinely in love, based on both the coronation scene and the epilogue. When I died, however, he didn't seem that upset during the PC's funeral. This, in addition to the fact that my approval was raised when I dumped him in my current playthrough made me think that Alistair's love doesn't run that deep.

[ejoslin]

Antikristine wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

I take the Zevran ending as meaning the opposite.  He has many offers OF bed partners, not many offers FROM bed partners -- I don't think he slept with anyone again.  He also keeps his distance from everyone and is just completely ruthless.  Everything that was good in him dies along with the PC.  Very sad.  I think the Alistair ending is sadder, because he could have done so much, but can't follow through on even the one thing he claimed to be most important to him.  I will have to try seeing what happens if the PC dies and they never romanced with Anora solo queen -- I'm hoping that he ends up a bit better.

The reasons I think Alistair is weak are many, and of course it's just my view of what inner strength is, and how I actually see the character through various actions and dialog.  But I've incurred the wrath of many Alistair fangirl 

And Alistair putting Isolde and Conner ahead of the villagers who are remaining is one thing I see as a weakness.  I hate that part of the story.  It's so wrong on so many levels.

Edit: The wording of the Zevran ending is a bit ambiguous, and could be taken either way.  That probably is deliberate.

I interpreted the story about Zevran not taking a lover again that he didn't allow himself to love again. The word "lover" does not mean sexual partner, but implies a romantic relationship. I think this indeed is heartbreaking, but the idea that he wouldn't have sex again is just out of character for Zevran.

As for Alistair, he was never heartbroken when I romanced him in my first playthrough as human noble. I tried three endings in which he sacrificed himself, my PC sacrificed herself, and in which I accepted Morrigan's offer. When I accepted the offer and the PC could stay with Alistair as his queen, he was indeed a happy man and seemed to be genuinely in love, based on both the coronation scene and the epilogue. When I died, however, he didn't seem that upset during the PC's funeral. This, in addition to the fact that my approval was raised when I dumped him in my current playthrough made me think that Alistair's love doesn't run that deep.

The word "lover" isn't used.  It says something like "despite offers of many bedmates, he never loved again." (not an exact quote, but I'm sure that the word "of" is used, not "from" which would give it a far different meaning). It reads to me that many offered to go to his bed, but he rejected them all.  And you're right, it's not the same Zevran as before, but he's been changed completely.  He wanted to change for the better for the PC as well, but with her death, he becomes far more ruthless than he was before.  I guess all the fighting experience served him well.


Alistair only fails in life, though, if Anora is made solo queen.  Alistair as king no matter what has someone strong beside him.  However, if Anora is solo queen and the PC dies, Alistair has no one holding him up, and so he quits the gray wardens and disappears.  Alistair does seem sad at my PC's funerals when king (he's not in attendance if not king), but he's always at 100%.  It may be different if his approval is lower.  

[Laura Jean]

Alistair



His romance is sincere. Zevran made me feel cheep.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ejoslin wrote...


I take the Zevran ending as meaning the opposite.  He has many offers OF bed partners, not many offers FROM bed partners -- I don't think he slept with anyone again.  He also keeps his distance from everyone and is just completely ruthless.  Everything that was good in him dies along with the PC.  Very sad.  I think the Alistair ending is sadder, because he could have done so much, but can't follow through on even the one thing he claimed to be most important to him.  I will have to try seeing what happens if the PC dies and they never romanced with Anora solo queen -- I'm hoping that he ends up a bit better.

The reasons I think Alistair is weak are many, and of course it's just my view of what inner strength is, and how I actually see the character through various actions and dialog.  But I've incurred the wrath of many Alistair fangirl 

And Alistair putting Isolde and Conner ahead of the villagers who are remaining is one thing I see as a weakness.  I hate that part of the story.  It's so wrong on so many levels.

Edit: The wording of the Zevran ending is a bit ambiguous, and could be taken either way.  That probably is deliberate.

It is one of the amazing things about this game: the various interpretations of things, and really, no solid absolutes. There are very few "correct" or pole-play "canon" factors that are unbending. And even more fascinating, is how people percieve things, which is so varied on here. How one character invokes so many reactions and perceptions that are often very different from one another.

I ignore the rabbid fan-girl/boy types. I don't mind, actually enjoy opposing opinions from my own, provided there is a coherent debate involved, and not just :"Alistair sux, he's so whiny" or "Morrigan is a ****" or "Zevran's a creepy gay" or other one line wonders. While I may disagree with your views on strength and weakness, I hardly consider them invalid. You and others took the time to explain them and elaborate, so that in itself has made this debate worth following. No repeated facepalming on my end.

I took Zevran's end as meaning he still probably got laid alot, but it was a string of meaningless one-night quickies, and returned to a life-on-the-edge with little passion about anything in life. Just sort of one day melting into another, an emotional void with no purpose and no desire. Which, given Zevrans lust for enjoying all aspects of life, not just sex, would basically be an existance in hell. If you don't romance Alistair and die, and Anora is queen, I think, if I remember, he does go on to rebuild the Wardens, and makes it a point to ensure your sacrifice is remembered or something. He copes and functions better perhaps, since while losing a friend is indeed heart breaking, losing a love, especially his first and only, seems to be beyond his capability to cope.

[DragonRageGT]

they say time heals everything... but I'm still waiting...

[FieryDove]

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I vote for both... is that allowed?

I vote for both too. Allowed or not.

[ejoslin]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
It is one of the amazing things about this game: the various interpretations of things, and really, no solid absolutes. There are very few "correct" or pole-play "canon" factors that are unbending. And even more fascinating, is how people percieve things, which is so varied on here. How one character invokes so many reactions and perceptions that are often very different from one another.

I ignore the rabbid fan-girl/boy types. I don't mind, actually enjoy opposing opinions from my own, provided there is a coherent debate involved, and not just :"Alistair sux, he's so whiny" or "Morrigan is a ****" or "Zevran's a creepy gay" or other one line wonders. While I may disagree with your views on strength and weakness, I hardly consider them invalid. You and others took the time to explain them and elaborate, so that in itself has made this debate worth following. No repeated facepalming on my end.

I took Zevran's end as meaning he still probably got laid alot, but it was a string of meaningless one-night quickies, and returned to a life-on-the-edge with little passion about anything in life. Just sort of one day melting into another, an emotional void with no purpose and no desire. Which, given Zevrans lust for enjoying all aspects of life, not just sex, would basically be an existance in hell. If you don't romance Alistair and die, and Anora is queen, I think, if I remember, he does go on to rebuild the Wardens, and makes it a point to ensure your sacrifice is remembered or something. He copes and functions better perhaps, since while losing a friend is indeed heart breaking, losing a love, especially his first and only, seems to be beyond his capability to cope.

I guess that's why the ending narration always has, "but at what cost?"  There's always that huge trade off.

And I agree how it is a testament to how amazing the writing of this game is that people view it so differently.  Also how strong people feel about the characters.  What I like about all of them is they all seem so complex -- even Ser Jory and Daveth had real personalities and interesting stories.

I was hoping Alistair came of his own if not romanced, though that's a bit of a depressing message about love and relationships I suppose.  But it's good to know there's at least one circumstance where he really does heal.

[Namirsolo]

I think this indeed is heartbreaking, but the idea that he wouldn't have sex again is just out of character for Zevran.

That's the point. He allowed himself to fall in love again after telilng himself he wouldn't. Then she dies. Again. He's broken.

I don't understand how anyone could say Zevran's romance isn't sincere. Perhaps if you haven't finished the game romancing him? Before the landsmeet he leads you to believe he only wants sex (and he's trying to tell himself the same). Afterwards he realizes he loves you and just doesn't know how to deal with it. I find it really endearing to watch him squirm.

One could say that Alistair seems to fall in love with the first girl he's alone with. Is that sincere? His love is easy and comes really quickly. In my experience, when this happens it usually doesn't last.

[totertot]

Alistair!

Modifié par totertot, 26 décembre 2009 - 10:37 .

[Malaia]

Alistair is the guy that falls in love easily. He has very little depth. He is totally enamored of everyone who is nice to him in any way. Duncan saves him from the Chantry and 6 months later he's replaced Eamon as a father figure...oO???? Next comes you...you give him a few winks a little nudge and he's all over himself for you.



Alistair has no experience. He's the boy you leave behind that you dated in high school and maybe the first year in college. Until you start meeting men.



Zevran has depth. He also has maturity (relationship maturity). He uses sex and humor to distance himself from everyone emotionally.



When Alistair falls in love with you, it's expected. In fact you can't imagine any situation where he doesn't really, if you give him teh slightest hint.



Zevran fights against his feelings every step of the way and is still caught up in you. Even when you demand his affections he is wary.



And when Zev gets talked into proposal, it's his insecurities with love that, in the end, make him a far more worthwhile romance.



conclusion: Alistair is the real easy lover. Zev is the real romance.

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

That's the point. He allowed himself to fall in love again after telilng himself he wouldn't. Then she dies. Again. He's broken.

I don't understand how anyone could say Zevran's romance isn't sincere. Perhaps if you haven't finished the game romancing him? Before the landsmeet he leads you to believe he only wants sex (and he's trying to tell himself the same). Afterwards he realizes he loves you and just doesn't know how to deal with it. I find it really endearing to watch him squirm.

I really like the encounter with Taliesan when Zevran is at Adore -- depending on dialog choices before the fight, you can see just how protective Zevran actually is of the PC.  Taliesan of course is trying to talk Zevran into coming back, and the PC points out in order for this to work they have to kill her first and Zevran says something like, "And of course I will not let that happen."  Of course, at Adore he joins your party to kill Taliesan if he's not already a member, but I just happened to like that particular exchange.  It frees him from the crows at that point, at least for a time, but his motivation at that point was about the PC, not himself.  

I think that's what makes the game so rich, especially the romances.  It's not the big, grand gestures, but the smaller parts that shows how the NPCs respond depending on how the PC has dealt with them.

Edit: And yes, I know that exchange can end up far differently if he is neutral or warm.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 décembre 2009 - 11:53 .

[Catwall]

Hmm, well I enjoyed both romances quite a bit over my playthroughs, Zevran's elven mullet notwithstanding.



To my mind, Alistair embodies the pleasures and pitfalls of innocence- that sugar rush of idealized first love and "us against the world, forever" fatalism was really fun for me to experience. People often lambaste Alistair for being inconsistent to his self professed ideals, but that only added to his realism as a character in my mind. *shrug* His imperfections made him an ideal "leading man" for this story.



Zevran's romance embodied the perils and pleasures of experience, all that cynicism and bravado, but underneath it all a romantic and vulnerable person, looking for acceptance, if not redemption. classic. Overall though, I found Zevran a bit too convenient and perfect. He seems to simply revolve around you. He lives because you allow it, he leaves when you give him permission to go. And sure he's been through hell, but he'll never inconvenience you with his pain. Certainly he has miles more sexual experience than your little Grey Warden, but he'll always let you think that you were the best he ever had. I really, really dug the character, but to me he was even less "real" than Alistair.



It is definitely a testament to the good writing in this game that this thread happened at all.

[Phex]

Zevran.

I admit I'm biased since most of my characters are city elves, but I've played the Alistair romance a few times and it always ends up in tears. He's inexperienced, indecisive and he will break my heart whenever I go down that road. At least Zev doesn't go giving empty promises that he cannot keep. The easy-come easy-go deal doesn't make me dream of happily ever afters and all that bollocks and then ending up getting bitterly disappointed.

This is mostly my character speaking through me now though. If I played as "myself", I would most likely fall for his goofy, clueless, moronic but oh-so-sexy grin, and well... We all know how that ends for non-human nobles.

[themanynamed]

Zevran. I've played all the romances and it's Zevran by far. Alistair is a hypocritical twit and Leliana is a snooze fest.

[Eruanna Guerrein]

Malaia wrote...

Alistair is the guy that falls in love easily. He has very little depth. He is totally enamored of everyone who is nice to him in any way. Duncan saves him from the Chantry and 6 months later he's replaced Eamon as a father figure...oO???? Next comes you...you give him a few winks a little nudge and he's all over himself for you.

Alistair has no experience. He's the boy you leave behind that you dated in high school and maybe the first year in college. Until you start meeting men.

Zevran has depth. He also has maturity (relationship maturity). He uses sex and humor to distance himself from everyone emotionally.

When Alistair falls in love with you, it's expected. In fact you can't imagine any situation where he doesn't really, if you give him teh slightest hint.

Zevran fights against his feelings every step of the way and is still caught up in you. Even when you demand his affections he is wary.

And when Zev gets talked into proposal, it's his insecurities with love that, in the end, make him a far more worthwhile romance.

conclusion: Alistair is the real easy lover. Zev is the real romance.

My post isn't entirely directed towards your respone alone but other similar responses as well and is merely intended to present another viewpoint:

Alistair doesn't necessarily love easily, only with those he believes are good. Who's to say how many young women he came across while at the Circle? Who's to say how much time he and Leliana spend talking without your knowing? Yet it is obvious he has never been "in" love before he meets the PC. He is, at his core, a good person, and because of that, he struggles with the naturally human responses of forgiveness or vengenance. By the time you reach Redcliffe, he has matured enough to be able to forgive those who, due to misguided fear or complete love of another, have hurt him. He's come to realize that good is not always totally good even though he still wants to believe in black and white, inside he knows there's gray (or is that "grey"?). In hardening him, he finally allows himself to totally accept that.

As someone else said earlier, Alistair replaced his father-like affection for Arl Eamon with Duncan. Yet Eamon had already distroyed his father figure status long ago when he sent Alistair away to the Circle. This was the struggle he faced and his strong reaction if you don't save both Isolde and Connor is because he needs to atone for what he feels he did wrong in his anger towards the Arl and Isolde when he was sent away. This shows his strength of character imo. Further proof that he no longer viewed Eamon as a father figure is that he willingly and easily goes against Eamon's desire that he be king if it is not what you choose. He still cares for Eamon but he doesn't require his approval over that of the PC's, who has proven loyality, whether in a romantic way or not.

With Loghain it was different because Loghain didn't wrong him, he wronged Duncan and Maric. For that, there was no forgiveness because they were good men who deserved better. If Loghain had only harmed Alistair, I'd be willing to bet he would have been able to accept allowing Loghain a chance to repent. Alistair is clearly willing to sacrifice himself for what he sees as the greater good. However against others, evil is evil and must be destroyed.

Plus, I happen to enjoy Alistair's boyish charm. It's refreshing to have a heroic figure without the macho. The fact that he's charming, funny, sweet, and sexy as hell doesn't hurt either.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...

The reasons I think Alistair is weak are many, and of course it's just my view of what inner strength is, and how I actually see the character through various actions and dialog.  But I've incurred the wrath of many Alistair fangirl 

He is weak. Someone should have told him this:

[totertot]

I really really like that this thread exists, with its well articulated point-by-point arguments. How awesome is this game that we talk about it in such depth?

[pudi0072000]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

He is weak. Someone should have told him this:

That would've been an awesome responce choice for when he gets teary talking about Duncan! 


Er, mean, but funny as hell.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

FieryDove wrote...

SarEnyaDor wrote...

I vote for both... is that allowed?

I vote for both too. Allowed or not.

As do I, since rules are amusing anyway. it's a shame you can't have a high-persuade option to convince them to live in a nice menage' a trois with your character (barring Alistair as king and PC as non-love queen).

That would be the Ultimate Cookie, IMHO.

[BelgarathMTH]

This particular "Lady" chooses Alistair. I'm attracted to Zev, because he's a 'bad boy', and who doesn't have a 'bad boy' type they're drawn to, but I can love Alistair with both my heart and my head.



And what's with the homophobia, my dear OP? Gay guys have insights into the male psyche that can be a benefit to open-minded, friendly straight gals.

[DragonRageGT]

Lol at "Slap Freddo" mod!

Hey, a straight guy, particularly those with artistic vein (I don't mean talented but still...), Wood Dragon in the Chinese, Pisces, etc., also can have insights into the male and the female psyche that can be a benefit to gals in general.

This whole thread makes me very very jealous of those guys... or is it envious?... English confuses me sometimes... imagine that... a huge number of ladies discussing in depth why they all love you... or not... *sighs*

Modifié par RageGT, 27 décembre 2009 - 03:59 .