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[Antigone2283]

Namirsolo wrote...

I don't think Zevran was trying to be genuinely helpful, anyway. I think he was being catty.)

I think you are mistaken then. Zevran seems to me like the type of person who wants everyone to enjoy sex more.

I might buy that if Zevran wasn't one of the NPCs that gets surely when you try to kiss Alistair outside of camp.  (And by the by, Alistair takes pleasure in annoying Morrigan by kissing in public)

This is my definition of the word prude. A prude is not someone who refuses to never ever have sex. It is usually a religious person who is "saving it" either for marriage or "the one". They want it to be perfect and special and therefore would not just discuss it with anyone. That is exactly how Alistair is (except if he's hardened, haha the puns...).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like you're labeling anyone prude that is unwilling to talk about sex with someone other than their sexual partner and/or anyone who is unwilling to give up their virginity casually.  Why should Alistair want to talk to Wynne or Morrigan about sex? Would you want to talk to your grandmother and 'that girl you hate from work' about their sex lives and their mother's sex lives? And what if some person you barely knew, and didn't at all like, started questioning your sexual ability and offering unsolicitied advice on sexual positions (in front of everyone, no less...)? It's not like Alistair waited for marriage, or even waited that long...my noble had him in the sack after completeing the mage tower quest, but BEFORE returning with the Urn.  That's probably what....given travel times, a month spent together?  So it's not like he's been saving it up for years and years for just the right moment: as he explains, this is really the first time in his life it's even been an option. He's pretty easy, really. All you have to do is laugh at his jokes and tell him you like his flower and enjoy his company, and the next thing you know, he's asking you to spend the night.  You don't have to wear his abstinence ring or do it through a sheet or anything.

[ckriley]

Well, I'm not a lady in real life (surprise, surprise) but I playthrough most of the time on a female character. And I have to say, this game has some sorry male romance options. I mean, Alistair or Zevran? I didn't like either of those guys. I romanced Alistair on one of my playthroughs just because I wanted the achievement and I figured my female PC needed some loving, but both were just awful. Absolutely awful.



Compare them to Morrigan and Leliana. Who has the more compelling options? Male PCs or female?

[Antigone2283]

Seallyn wrote...

Antigone2283 wrote...


However, if being a mentor (I wouldn't say "corrupting" because that
sounds like sex is somehow bad, and you're making him dirty) to his new
sexuality is not your cuppa, that's another matter entirely.  Sex doesn't have to be about who has the best technique...there's something to be said about the process of exploration.  It's like when you watch your favorite movie with someone who's never seen it before: they may not get all the nuances that you've picked up through multiple viewings,  but you just can't WAIT until they see the best part.....

Yeah I have to agree.  Although, I mentioned breaking Alistair earlier, and that does not necessarily mean sex.  I've known several people in my life who were uptight about one thing or another living very sheltered lives and some thing happened, different things (one of them lost their mother (she left them, she didn't die)) and it completely changed their lives, in a good way.  That's the way I see it with Alistair.  It's not particularly about the sex, sex is just the medium.  It's about having someone really care for him in a way that he never knew before, opening a new world to him through intimacy,  I'm glad my character got to be the person to do it.  (Now if I just had a different option to harden him, that would be great.)

Absolutely. Alistair grew up motherless, with a step-mother who resented him. He's had very few people truly care for him.  I think he attached himself to Duncan so quickly because Duncan was really the first person to WANT him, enough that he risked the Chantry's ire in conscripting him. 

Alistair to me is a little lost stray puppy: good natured and goofy, and if you feed him and pet him (perverts - that's not what I meant!) he'll follow you everywhere.

That, and Zevran's accent seriously gets on my nerves.  He sounds like Don Karnage (Tailspins, anyone?) Although, funny story, on my first playthrough, I was romancing Alistair, slept with Alistair, then slept with Zevran. The next time I spoke with Alistair, he asks if things are serious with Zevran, and I say 'no, it was casual, I only want to be with you, I'll break it off with him', and I get +10 approval for the exchange. Did I just get points with Alistair for sleeping with Zevran??? Yes, yes I did. 

[Namirsolo]

Antigone2283 wrote...

Namirsolo wrote...

I don't think Zevran was trying to be genuinely helpful, anyway. I think he was being catty.)

I think you are mistaken then. Zevran seems to me like the type of person who wants everyone to enjoy sex more.

I might buy that if Zevran wasn't one of the NPCs that gets surely when you try to kiss Alistair outside of camp.  (And by the by, Alistair takes pleasure in annoying Morrigan by kissing in public)

This is my definition of the word prude. A prude is not someone who refuses to never ever have sex. It is usually a religious person who is "saving it" either for marriage or "the one". They want it to be perfect and special and therefore would not just discuss it with anyone. That is exactly how Alistair is (except if he's hardened, haha the puns...).

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like you're labeling anyone prude that is unwilling to talk about sex with someone other than their sexual partner and/or anyone who is unwilling to give up their virginity casually.  Why should Alistair want to talk to Wynne or Morrigan about sex? Would you want to talk to your grandmother and 'that girl you hate from work' about their sex lives and their mother's sex lives? And what if some person you barely knew, and didn't at all like, started questioning your sexual ability and offering unsolicitied advice on sexual positions (in front of everyone, no less...)? It's not like Alistair waited for marriage, or even waited that long...my noble had him in the sack after completeing the mage tower quest, but BEFORE returning with the Urn.  That's probably what....given travel times, a month spent together?  So it's not like he's been saving it up for years and years for just the right moment: as he explains, this is really the first time in his life it's even been an option. He's pretty easy, really. All you have to do is laugh at his jokes and tell him you like his flower and enjoy his company, and the next thing you know, he's asking you to spend the night.  You don't have to wear his abstinence ring or do it through a sheet or anything.

I'm not sure how to use this quote system completely yet, lol. I don't know what you mean by Zevran getting "surely" when you kiss Alistair in front of everyone. If you kiss Alistair in front of Zevran, Zevran will say "Don't mind me, I won't stare" and won't lose any approval. In fact, he never really has a problem with you sleeping with Alistair while you're sleeping with him (or at least he never says if he does.) His objection to you having both romances at once is that he doesn't want to hurt Alistair and that he's "not a cheat".

It's not that I want Alistair to have an intimate details conversation with everyone who tries to talk to him about sex, but it's that he balks when the subject is brought up at all. Wynne says something like "Mages aren't forbidden from having sex" and his response is basically "ew that's awkward." She was not asking him to talk about every detail of it. A simple response of "oh" from him would have sufficed. All Morrigan said was "Mother... kept company." and he's like "Ew, I guess I don't want to hear about that." when he could have  you know.. just not said anything. It just seems like all of his banter implies that he does think sex is dirty.

To Zevran he could have said "Thanks but no thanks"  (at least to the root part) without the immature "I can't hear you" line. I agree going into sexual positions is taking it a little too far, but that's Zevran. I guess I am taking issue to the way he articulates himself. I just find it really immature. When it comes down to it, Alistair's attitude about sex is a turn off to me. That's really all I was trying to say this whole time.

Oh, and one more thing.. Alistair does say in the course of the romance (I think it's only just after you've done it, so around 75 approval?) "You're the first person I slept with and if I have it up to me you'll be the last" so this to me seems to mean that he is equating sex with love.

It's really a personal philosophy difference, I guess. I just don't feel that way personally and find it a turn off.

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree because I personally LOVE Zevran's accent. Alistair's got on my nerves until I realized he has the exact same accent as Jude Law, and then I liked him more. haha

Well, I'm not a lady in real life (surprise, surprise) but I
playthrough most of the time on a female character. And I have to say,
this game has some sorry male romance options. I mean, Alistair or
Zevran? I didn't like either of those guys. I romanced Alistair on one
of my playthroughs just because I wanted the achievement and I figured
my female PC needed some loving, but both were just awful. Absolutely
awful.



Compare them to Morrigan and Leliana. Who has the more compelling options? Male PCs or female?

Well, I can't speak for every girl but there are a lot of pages here where many of us feel strongly about either Zevran or Alistair being the better love interest. I think that means that we're quite happy with our options. I've always thought Bioware does an awesome job of writing romanceable males. I was pretty taken with Carth in Kotor, too.

I think that if you are a straight male, it may be that Zevran and Alistair were written more to appeal to females. I guess gay guys could correct me on this if I'm wrong. It makes sense for Alistair since he's only romanceable if your character is female, but Zevran can also be romanced by a male. Also, if you want your female character to have someone she can romance Leliana.

I have have done as much of Leliana's romance as possible until she gets jealous of Zevran and I "having been intimate" as she puts it, and find her pretty shallow, actually. I don't want to hear about hairstyles and shoes. I love her stories, but that's not really part of the romance. I also don't care for her "asking you into her tent" dialogue because she's trying to play coy and she's really not good at it all. Also, if you're propositioning someone for sex I think you should be a little more direct about it.

Morrigan is a neat character and I like her personality, but I have no idea what additional dialogue her romance gives you.

Modifié par Namirsolo, 29 décembre 2009 - 06:42 .

[ejoslin]

Antigone2283 wrote...

I might buy that if Zevran wasn't one of the NPCs that gets surely when you try to kiss Alistair outside of camp.  (And by the by, Alistair takes pleasure in annoying Morrigan by kissing in public)

Both Zevran and Leliana get upset if you kiss Alistair in front of them if you've been flirting with them.  Though it doesn't make much sense as Zevran approves if you have sex in front of him (I'm talking about various NPC encounters) and even Alistair ignores at least one of those encounters.  But it's a matter of feelings, not a matter of sex that upsets the various companions.  Alistair isn't kissing the PC until he likes her a lot, and approval seems to be the thing that triggers responses.  If you keep them as friends, no flirting, and make it clear nothing is happening, I'm sure with Leliana and fairly sure with Zevran there's no issue.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 décembre 2009 - 06:43 .

[Namirsolo]

Both Zevran and Leliana get upset if you kiss Alistair in front of them
if you've been flirting with them.  Though it doesn't make much sense
as Zevran approves if you have sex in front of him (I'm talking about
various NPC encounters) and even Alistair ignores at least one of those
encounters.  But it's a matter of feelings, not a matter of sex that
upsets the various companions.  Alistair isn't kissing the PC until he
likes her a lot, and approval seems to be the thing that triggers
responses.

At least the first of that isn't correct. Zevran does not get upset if you kiss Alistair in front of him. He smiles and says "Don't worry, I won't stare" with no approval drop. I was doing this for a while in one of my games while both of them were maxed on approval and at adore/love. If you talk to him after it, though, he may trigger his "Him or me" speech because your approval with Alistair is too high. I know this because I played through as a female human noble and ended the game in a romance with both of them so that I could have Zevran as my lover on the side while I was princess consort. It's pretty easy to do once you realize you just can't talk to either of them after one of them hits adore.

[Seallyn]

Antigone2283 wrote...


Absolutely. Alistair grew up motherless, with a step-mother who resented him. He's had very few people truly care for him.  I think he attached himself to Duncan so quickly because Duncan was really the first person to WANT him, enough that he risked the Chantry's ire in conscripting him. 

Alistair to me is a little lost stray puppy: good natured and goofy, and if you feed him and pet him (perverts - that's not what I meant!) he'll follow you everywhere.

That, and Zevran's accent seriously gets on my nerves.  He sounds like Don Karnage (Tailspins, anyone?) Although, funny story, on my first playthrough, I was romancing Alistair, slept with Alistair, then slept with Zevran. The next time I spoke with Alistair, he asks if things are serious with Zevran, and I say 'no, it was casual, I only want to be with you, I'll break it off with him', and I get +10 approval for the exchange. Did I just get points with Alistair for sleeping with Zevran??? Yes, yes I did. 

Ha!  I haven't been able to romance anyone else yet.  In fact, I think I'm going to have to play a male character in order to do so, 'cause it's way to easy for me to fall for Alistair.  I remember reading the manual after I had already started playing and seeing the romance section.  I didn't really read into it, but when I got to Alistair, I was like...oohh please be available.  Yay!

I actually like Zevran's voice, I like all kinds of accents.  My favorite so far has to be South African (thank you Cif Simon (Ba'al from Stargate)).  But, Zev is just not Alistair, so he get's thrown to the side.  I mean Alistair is just too cute and too sweet.  Zev can be cute and sweet, but meh.  I don't know.  I guess by the time I met Zev it was too late.  I'm a one guy at a time kinda girl, I suppose.

[Srslydude01]

For you ladies on there that mentioned liking Teagan and/or Gorim, I was wondering why they are so appealing? You don't really see much of them so its not really possible to see all that much about them. It isn't really part of the thread topic, but I'm curious. It seems quite random to me.

[Namirsolo]

Srslydude01 wrote...

For you ladies on there that mentioned liking Teagan and/or Gorim, I was wondering why they are so appealing? You don't really see much of them so its not really possible to see all that much about them. It isn't really part of the thread topic, but I'm curious. It seems quite random to me.

If you play as a female dwarf noble there is a really sweet romance with Gorim in the origin. It's small, but it's very effective. Of course, as soon as you're exiled he marries someone else and has a kid with her. He gets over you pretty quickly.

I don't know what's up with people liking Teagan. He has a really small part in the story and seems really easily manipulated into doing stupid things while he is in it. I think his only other mention other than in Redcliffe is that Anora will marry him if you make her solo queen at the end of the game.

Modifié par Namirsolo, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:12 .

[Antigone2283]

Oh, and one more thing.. Alistair does say in the course of the romance (I think it's only just after you've done it, so around 75 approval?) "You're the first person I slept with and if I have it up to me you'll be the last" so this to me seems to mean that he is equating sex with love.

Someone had to have misquoted this to you. With both human noble and an elven mage, any dialogue option I've taken where you get a bit clingy and start talking about your future together, he brushes you off.  In fact, I'm at 100 approval with my human noble, and just last night I pushed the dialogue option, "Where do you think this relationship is going?" and I LOST approval.  This is his direct quote:
"I don't know where this is going. We have the Blight to think of, first, don't we? Everything else just seems so... distant."
"This isn't really the time for this conversation. Please, let's... just talk about this another time."
He actually avoids committment like the plague...if you respond with things like, "We'll find a way to stay together. Forever"  he says ominous things like, "I hope that's possible."
The closest you get to a quote like that is ultimate sacrifice ending.  At the funeral, he says,
"I... I thought we would be together forever."

What he DOES say when he wants to sleep with you: (Yes, I have a listing of all of Alistair's dialogue. I write fic! Don't judge me! )

"I wanted to wait for the perfect time, the perfect place... but when
will it be perfect? If things were, we wouldn't even have met."
"I really don't want to wait anymore. I've... I've never done this
before. You know that. I want it to be with you... while we have the
chance. In case..."
And immediately after the tent scene, there's no dialogue options that prompt him to talk about your future together. You talk about what the rest of the party is going to think about it, and then he says it's time to get back to the business of defeating the Blight.

I don't know if that changes how you feel at all, but there it is.  He's not QUITE as bad as you thought!

[Srslydude01]

Namirsolo wrote...

If you play as a female dwarf noble there is a really sweet romance with Gorim in the origin. It's small, but it's very effective. Of course, as soon as you're exiled he marries someone else and has a kid with her. He gets over you pretty quickly.

I don't know what's up with people liking Teagan. He has a really small part in the story and seems really easily manipulated into doing stupid things while he is in it. I think his only other mention other than in Redcliffe is that Anora will marry him if you make her solo queen at the end of the game.

Oh I didn't know that. That's very interesting and pretty sad in a way. He seemed pretty loyal when I played as a male dwarf noble. Of course he wouldn't follow you around again, but he gave you that note and shield that basically redeems you as the would be true heir to the Aeducan throne at least in a personal sense. It does suck that he would give up on you. It must be a pretty awkward reunion in Denerim.

Modifié par Srslydude01, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:28 .

[Antigone2283]

ejoslin wrote...

Antigone2283 wrote...

I might buy that if Zevran wasn't one of the NPCs that gets surely when you try to kiss Alistair outside of camp.  (And by the by, Alistair takes pleasure in annoying Morrigan by kissing in public)

Both Zevran and Leliana get upset if you kiss Alistair in front of them if you've been flirting with them.  Though it doesn't make much sense as Zevran approves if you have sex in front of him (I'm talking about various NPC encounters) and even Alistair ignores at least one of those encounters.  But it's a matter of feelings, not a matter of sex that upsets the various companions.  Alistair isn't kissing the PC until he likes her a lot, and approval seems to be the thing that triggers responses.  If you keep them as friends, no flirting, and make it clear nothing is happening, I'm sure with Leliana and fairly sure with Zevran there's no issue.

Yes, that's correct.  I had no problems kissing in front of Leliana (I think she actually says something cutsey about it) but I most definitely DID with Zevran.  He says "Don't mind me. Act as if I'm not here," but he says it kind of sarcastically.  And yes, I had also romanced Zev at this point.  After Zevran says that, Alistair gets uncomfortable and won't kiss. And it's not because he's shy, because he'll kiss in front of Oghren, and Oghren stares and lears      It won't change if you break things off with Zevran, either, so once you've crossed that bridge, there will be no smooching in front of Zevran!

[Namirsolo]

Someone had to have misquoted this to you.

No, I have finished his romance twice- once only romancing him and once romancing him along with Zevran.

Perhaps the difference is hardened vs unhardened Alistair? I  have a perfect auditory memory and I remember hearing him say the "If I have it my way you will be the last". I'm on vacation right now and don't have access to the a copy of my game, but I'm pretty sure this was hardened Alistair who said this to me.

[Antigone2283]

Srslydude01 wrote...

For you ladies on there that mentioned liking Teagan and/or Gorim, I was wondering why they are so appealing? You don't really see much of them so its not really possible to see all that much about them. It isn't really part of the thread topic, but I'm curious. It seems quite random to me.

When you first encounter Teagan, you can flirt with him and he flirts back.  Beyond that, I think it's pretty much up to the imagination and a plethora of fan fic.  It's sort of the same with Cullen (a Templar from the Tower.) He's got a crush on your mage and you can flirt with him, so he's developed his own following as well.  I think once that flirt flag has been raised, people get their own ideas and just run with them.

[Namirsolo]

Yes, that's correct.  I had no problems kissing in front of Leliana
(I think she actually says something cutsey about it) but I most
definitely DID with Zevran.  He says "Don't mind me. Act as if I'm not
here," but he says it kind of sarcastically.  And yes, I had also
romanced Zev at this point.  After Zevran says that, Alistair gets
uncomfortable and won't kiss. And it's not because he's shy, because
he'll kiss in front of Oghren, and Oghren stares and lears  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png 
  It won't change if you break things off with Zevran, either, so once
you've crossed that bridge, there will be no smooching in front of
Zevran!

Sorry for the double post. This is really odd to me. Perhaps it has to do with how high your approval is with either of them because I know in one of my games I was sleeping with both of them and was able to kiss Alistair in front of Zevran with the "I won't stare" dialogue and no approval drop at all. Maybe it's if one of them is at adore? I know that's when they start tryign to make you choose between them. Or maybe it's if you break up with Zevran and stay with Alistair? The only other thing that I can think is that I played that game on the ps3 and it could be possible that the dialogue is a bit different. I'm going to have to experiment with this once I can play again. Finishing both romances in the same game was quite the balancing act, so I'm interested in how to make it work.

Anyway, I have a word document of Zevran lines that I like and want to include in my fic, so I'm not judging. Also, I don't dislike Alistair, I just think he pales in comparison to Zev. heh

[Seallyn]

Antigone2283 wrote...

Oh, and one more thing.. Alistair does say in the course of the romance (I think it's only just after you've done it, so around 75 approval?) "You're the first person I slept with and if I have it up to me you'll be the last" so this to me seems to mean that he is equating sex with love.

Someone had to have misquoted this to you. With both human noble and an elven mage, any dialogue option I've taken where you get a bit clingy and start talking about your future together, he brushes you off.  In fact, I'm at 100 approval with my human noble, and just last night I pushed the dialogue option, "Where do you think this relationship is going?" and I LOST approval.  This is his direct quote:
"I don't know where this is going. We have the Blight to think of, first, don't we? Everything else just seems so... distant."
"This isn't really the time for this conversation. Please, let's... just talk about this another time."
He actually avoids committment like the plague...if you respond with things like, "We'll find a way to stay together. Forever"  he says ominous things like, "I hope that's possible."
The closest you get to a quote like that is ultimate sacrifice ending.  At the funeral, he says,
"I... I thought we would be together forever."

What he DOES say when he wants to sleep with you: (Yes, I have a listing of all of Alistair's dialogue. I write fic! Don't judge me! )

"I wanted to wait for the perfect time, the perfect place... but when
will it be perfect? If things were, we wouldn't even have met."
"I really don't want to wait anymore. I've... I've never done this
before. You know that. I want it to be with you... while we have the
chance. In case..."
And immediately after the tent scene, there's no dialogue options that prompt him to talk about your future together. You talk about what the rest of the party is going to think about it, and then he says it's time to get back to the business of defeating the Blight.

I don't know if that changes how you feel at all, but there it is.  He's not QUITE as bad as you thought!

I got him to say the thing about you being his first and how he wants you to be his last.  I only got when I initiated the sex.  I waited to ask till he was at love (90+) level and he agreed.  He was nervous, and I said something along the line of if you don't want to...and he said he did, he was just nervous, yada, yada.  I usually wait for him to initiate, but I was just trying something out.  I can't pick which one I like better, now.  Both options are very sweet. 

And about the future thing, you have to wait till the next scene.  If he's hardened or maybe if you're just a noble he'll be ok about it.  If he's not hardened however, you get an approval drop.  Serious!  I was like WTF, man?  That shocked me, and made me a little mad.  I said something about not letting him go and he said something about hoping I didn't have to.  That runthrough didn't go well.  I made him king and didn't harden him, aka heartbreak city.

[Antigone2283]

Namirsolo wrote...

Someone had to have misquoted this to you.

No, I have finished his romance twice- once only romancing him and once romancing him along with Zevran.

Perhaps the difference is hardened vs unhardened Alistair? I  have a perfect auditory memory and I remember hearing him say the "If I have it my way you will be the last". I'm on vacation right now and don't have access to the a copy of my game, but I'm pretty sure this was hardened Alistair who said this to me.

I dunno...I can't confirm this dialogue list is utterly complete, but it's pretty exhaustive. I tried several keyword searches and variations on what you said. And it does include hardened dialogue. You could be right, but it's definitely the first I've heard of it, and if it is one of his lines, it's not one that's easy to get.  Hardened or not, it appears the majority of his dialogue indicates he is NOT planning on a forever future with you, and is very realistic about the possibility that it won't last.

http://dragonagequot...com/quotes/list

Edit:  Maybe there is a difference between PC and PS3 dialogue?  Seallyn, which are you playing on?  It seems strange, but it would make sense as to why you haven't seen the Zevran dialogue I have, and why I haven't seen the Alistair dialogue you have.

Modifié par Antigone2283, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:48 .

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

Both Zevran and Leliana get upset if you kiss Alistair in front of them
if you've been flirting with them.  Though it doesn't make much sense
as Zevran approves if you have sex in front of him (I'm talking about
various NPC encounters) and even Alistair ignores at least one of those
encounters.  But it's a matter of feelings, not a matter of sex that
upsets the various companions.  Alistair isn't kissing the PC until he
likes her a lot, and approval seems to be the thing that triggers
responses.

At least the first of that isn't correct. Zevran does not get upset if you kiss Alistair in front of him. He smiles and says "Don't worry, I won't stare" with no approval drop. I was doing this for a while in one of my games while both of them were maxed on approval and at adore/love. If you talk to him after it, though, he may trigger his "Him or me" speech because your approval with Alistair is too high. I know this because I played through as a female human noble and ended the game in a romance with both of them so that I could have Zevran as my lover on the side while I was princess consort. It's pretty easy to do once you realize you just can't talk to either of them after one of them hits adore.

Ah, I guess even the kissing part is tied into the approval, and is higher than I thought.  I thought it was at "care" that Zevran started getting mad about the kissing (I think that's where it is at Leliana).  My point was that it wasn't because Zev is a prude that he gets upset about the kiss, but because he is also interested in the PC.  But still, you can have sex with Cammen in front of him when he's at adore and he approves, though not as much as when you're at a lower affection level.  I was disagreeing with someone who called Zevran a prude for disapproving of the kissing is all.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 décembre 2009 - 07:58 .

[Namirsolo]

Oh also, as Sealynn pointed out, I was a human noble (with maxed coercion to convince the landsmeet) since I was playing with the intention of becoming queen in the end.

I'd really like to find out what makes Zevran jealous of you kissing Alistair, though. I wish I had Dragon Age at my parent's house. haha

Yeah, Zevran gives +4 for sleeping with Cammen and I think +1 or 2 for sleeping with a **** in the Pearl.

Ah, I guess even the kissing part is tied into the approval, and is
higher than I thought.  I thought it was at "care" that Zevran started
getting mad about the kissing (I think that's where it is at Leliana).
 My point was that it wasn't because Zev is a prude that he gets upset
about the kiss, but because he is also interested in the PC.  But
still, you can have sex with Cammen in front of him when he's at adore
and he approves, though not as much as when you're at a lower affection
level.

I think Zev probably is upset because he knows you care for Alistair and
he knows it's really just sex with Cammen/or the Pearl "worker".

It's also entirely possible that there are different dialogue options in the
PC version. But I think it's more likely that it was the human
noble/hardened variable that gave it to me.

I do know that there appear to more banters in the PC version than there are in the ps3. I
spent hours on the console version reloading the game over and over to
hear every banter and I've never heard the one where Alistair and
Zevran discuss his tattoos even though I got to the point where no new
banters were trigger for me with both of them in my party.

Just curious, do your dialogue options on that site account for romance and not romanced also? It seems at the end that you have a quote where he says you are only friends.

Modifié par Namirsolo, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:03 .

[Namirsolo]

Double post

Modifié par Namirsolo, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:01 .

[Antigone2283]

Just curious, do your dialogue options on that site account for romance and not romanced also? It seems at the end that you have a quote where he says you are only friends.

As far as I know, it's suppose to be the complete list of his dialogue.  But it's not like there's a citation anywhere on the page or anything, so for all I know someone could have sat there and wrote down each time he said something through all their multiple play-throughs (god, I hope not. It's more likely someone with the smarts pulled it out of the coding.) It definitely has elements of all options, including romance, friend only, and "I hate you, you're a jerk." I've had faith in it's comprehensiveness until now...there hasn't been anything I couldn't find (but then again, what I was looking for was certainly selective.)  But yeah, just because it's been a faithful source till now doesn't mean it isn't missing something...

I haven't ever triggered that tattoo convo, either, and Zevran was almost always with my party on the first play through! 

[Namirsolo]

Antigone2283 wrote...

Just curious, do your dialogue options on that site account for romance and not romanced also? It seems at the end that you have a quote where he says you are only friends.

As far as I know, it's suppose to be the complete list of his dialogue.  But it's not like there's a citation anywhere on the page or anything, so for all I know someone could have sat there and wrote down each time he said something through all their multiple play-throughs (god, I hope not. It's more likely someone with the smarts pulled it out of the coding.) It definitely has elements of all options, including romance, friend only, and "I hate you, you're a jerk." I've had faith in it's comprehensiveness until now...there hasn't been anything I couldn't find (but then again, what I was looking for was certainly selective.)  But yeah, just because it's been a faithful source till now doesn't mean it isn't missing something...

I haven't ever triggered that tattoo convo, either, and Zevran was almost always with my party on the first play through! 

Well, that one I found in a file that has all the banter mp3s. Sorry I can't link it since it's on my other computer. The warden may have to be male for it to happen. It seems that Zevran and Alistair get a long a lot better when they are not fighting over a woman. heh

Alistair is curious about Zevran's tattoos, asks what they mean, and asks if Zevran could give him one, but then gets weirded out when he tells him that there is a ritual involving bathing with rosewater and a massage (this is by the way, how hentai is done although it's not permanent). On another side note, I'd love it if Zevran would have a unique body as he should so that I could actually see these tattoos that he implies he has all over his body.

In another convo between them that I hadn't heard before in that file Zevran asks him if all Fereldan men can't go to bed without their dogs and Alistairs says this isn't ture, but agrees that it may have been a joke about Fereldan women. This doesnt seem like something they would say around a female warden. heh

I've also never heard the one where Alistair says "What are you intentions with her" in the game. I guess you probably can't have even started a romance with him to get that and I like flirting with him too much. It's also possible that they're just in the game files but don't actually trigger. I'm not sure.

Modifié par Namirsolo, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:28 .

[Seallyn]

Antigone2283 wrote...

Edit:  Maybe there is a difference between PC and PS3 dialogue?  Seallyn, which are you playing on?  It seems strange, but it would make sense as to why you haven't seen the Zevran dialogue I have, and why I haven't seen the Alistair dialogue you have.

I'm playing the PC version.  There are a few dialogues that I haven't gotten that I have seen on Youtube, but I think the dialogues are random as well as maybe there being differences between consoles.  Sometimes I'll get the same dialogue as the previous game and sometimes it'll be different.  Also, some dialogue obviously depends on your group.  I had a game where I kept Morrigan in the party (I don't just mean camp) and I don't think there was much if any bantar after Lothering, between anyone.  I guess no one likes to talk to or around Morrigan.  Eh.  I also have a theory that approval might factor into it too.  It's just a theory.

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

Oh also, as Sealynn pointed out, I was a human noble (with maxed coercion to convince the landsmeet) since I was playing with the intention of becoming queen in the end.

I'd really like to find out what makes Zevran jealous of you kissing Alistair, though. I wish I had Dragon Age at my parent's house. haha

Yeah, Zevran gives +4 for sleeping with Cammen and I think +1 or 2 for sleeping with a **** in the Pearl.

Actually, you can get +6 for sleeping with Cammen if you're not sleeping with Zevran -- just learned this today.  And yes, it's all tied in with the approval rating.  Just like you can sleep with both Zevran and Alistair until Zevran hits 71 approval (adore), then they both make you choose.  I think Leliana is more jealous, but I have never actually tested it -- for some reason, that romance just doesn't appeal to me, though the one time I did pursue it, my PC slept with Zevran and he told Leliana about it.  

Every time I've been at the Pearl, my approval is already 100 with Zevran so I didn't know how much you got for that bit.

[Sylrien]

Hey, I heard I might be able to have both....

I cannot choose!

So if someone could enlighten me as to exactly how to juggle Alistair and Zevran's relationship so that the City Elf can be the king's mistress in order to aid her people and still have an elven bedmate....

Yes, I want to have my cake and eat it too. Please?