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[ejoslin]

Seallyn wrote...

Antigone2283 wrote...

Edit:  Maybe there is a difference between PC and PS3 dialogue?  Seallyn, which are you playing on?  It seems strange, but it would make sense as to why you haven't seen the Zevran dialogue I have, and why I haven't seen the Alistair dialogue you have.

I'm playing the PC version.  There are a few dialogues that I haven't gotten that I have seen on Youtube, but I think the dialogues are random as well as maybe there being differences between consoles.  Sometimes I'll get the same dialogue as the previous game and sometimes it'll be different.  Also, some dialogue obviously depends on your group.  I had a game where I kept Morrigan in the party (I don't just mean camp) and I don't think there was much if any bantar after Lothering, between anyone.  I guess no one likes to talk to or around Morrigan.  Eh.  I also have a theory that approval might factor into it too.  It's just a theory.

Morrigan has some of the best dialogs in the game.  Sten tells her about qunari sex.  Zevran tries to get her to be flattered, and if Ogren, Leliana, or Alistair is in the party, she ends up hating everyone.  There are places that trigger the dialog, though; you may just not have been in a good area for it (bridges seem to be a good spot).

[Namirsolo]

I saw a thread here where David Gaider was defending people calling Zevran "easy" in the sense that he doesn't care if you sleep with other people while you're with him. He said that each romance is scripted the same way and that they will initiate the same type of conversation at the same approval rating.

However, I would agree that Leliana does seem to be more jealous because of the way her "him or me" convo goes. She is much more forceful about it while both of the guys at least try to be casual about it. She also has a follow up conversation, I think whether you choose her or not, where she will apologize to you like she yelled at you when I didn't really think what she said was unreasonable at all.

Zevran insisist that he is not jealous, but it seems that his tone implies that he actually is. He will tell you that he is more concerned for the other person's feelings, but I don't know whether I believe it. You can end it with him in this conversation and only lose something like 3 or 4 approval.

Even with liking Zevran more, I find it really difficult to break up with Alistair in the him or me speech because he just sounds so pathetic. I don't remember what his approval lose is, though.

The easiset banter triggers I found to drag my party over were straight ahead in the Denerim market district (near where Leliana can have her encounter with Marjoline) and straight ahead in the Dalish camp. There is also one near the proving grounds in Orzammar and one in the Gnawed Noble in front of the room where Master Ignacio is for the Crow quests. You have to reload to get a new one.

So if someone could enlighten me as to exactly how to juggle Alistair
and Zevran's relationship so that the City Elf can be the king's
mistress in order to aid her people and still have an elven bedmate....

I'm not sure if this will work with Zevran. I only know for sure that he will stay with you when you are with Alistair if you are a human noble queeen and if you are any race that chooses to become a warden at the end. I think if you stay in Denerim at all the epilogue will say that Zevran remains "at least for a time" but you can ignore that if you like.

The most important thing you'll need to do is harden Alistair. You do that by doing his sidequest and then telling him that people are only out for themselves. Then you may need to have pretty good coercion. I'm not sure if there is a persuade choice in that. (my city elf was with Zevran, I'm pretty particular about them being together. heh)

Play the Alistair romance until you have no more dialogue options except to ask him to sleep with you. Then wait until you have Zevran in your party. Chat him up and sleep with him once you get him in your party (man this sounds so callous. lol)

You're going to want to save often and in at least two different slots as this is really easy to mess up. The most important part is that as soon as one of them hits adore they will ask you to choose between them the next time you talk to them. Alistair has to be at adore to get him to come to your tent. So, keep Zevran below 70 until you can sleep with Alistair.. then ask Alistair into your tent.

At that point you can finish the dialogue options with Zevran (as long as he's not above
adore) and give both of them gifts to max their approval out. Alistair's are his mother's amulet in Redcliffe castle (in Eamon's office) and Duncan's shield (in the Denerim market warehouse, only available after you talk to Riordan about it) and Zevran's are dalish gloves (in that mysterious camp in the Brecilian forest) and Antivan leather boots (in Haven's shop in a chest).

Then you must never talk to either of them again until you're in Arl Eamon's estate in Denerim. This is the hardest part. You can't accidentally click on either of them because they will both make you choose and there is no way out of it. That is why I reccomend saving often.

Don't worry, you'll still get Zevran's earring if you go back to camp after meeting Taliesin (but I don't think he'll offer it a second time if you refuse, I don't know) since this cutscene doesn't require you talking to him first. I think you can also ask him about Rinna in the estate if you haven't done this yet.

Okay that was extremely long. I only know for sure that this will work if you are a human noble and if you choose the option to rebuild the grey wardens, though.

Modifié par Namirsolo, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:55 .

[Sylrien]

Thank you so much! I love that there are so many options for a romance to go, and I'm planning on several character types so I can go 1. Pure Alistair, 2. Pure Zev, 3. This Human Noble Queen you've mentioned, and 4. The Elf one I mentioned.



Good to see some Jade Empire love too. ^^

[Ilvra]

After reading about it, I just had to go for the "first woman I've slept with" conversation. Fortunately, I'm now a compulsive saver, so I can get to most points in the game quite easily. I've uploaded a cropped screenshot of the conversation log to an album, for anybody who's interested. PC version, by the way. I'm a complete moron at this, so I hope it's readable. As far as I'm concerned the best line of the entire conversation is the "too tall" comment. One more vote for Alistair.



http://social.biowar...album_id=491514

[Skydiver8888]

Teagan.



wait, what? Not romanceable? ARGH! *shakes fist at Bioware* Get off my lawn!

[ckriley]

Well, I didn't read through this thread so I'm sure there are many girls on here who liked the romance options. I just found them to not be that appealing. But I think that other poster in this thread that pointed out that if you're a straight male playing a female character and are doing the romances, the male options might seem odd to you.



I think that might be true, because I am a straight guy and looking back at all the BW games, I find the male romance options to be dreadful.



KOTOR: Carth was annoying and I hardly ever used him. His subplot with his son on Korriban was interesting, but that was about it. He whined a lot. Why couldn't we romance Canderous???



Jade Empire: Sky seemed instantly gay to me. Then later I found out he was fully romanceable as a male character so I guess it made sense in a way. I didn't understand why I couldn't romance Segacious Tien. I found him to be much more appealing and interesting.



Mass Effect: Kaiden reminded me way too much of Carth. Maybe because he was voiced by the same guy, or the fact that as a sentinel, I found him useless. But in any case, I just didn't really want Kaiden. I romanced him anyway, but just mainly for RP purposes. My female Shepherd needed some love. Joker would've been much better but I guess the whole condition with his bones would make having sex impossible. But Joker>>>>Kaiden.



Dragon Age: Zevran, like Sky, was instantly gay to me. Then, like Sky, I found out he's fully romanceable by a male PC as well. What's up with this? Can't my female characters get a real man? Then there's Alistair. A bumbling, bastard, virgin who has no self esteem or confidence. His whole quest with his sister was just painful to watch. Again, the one male character I would've been interested in romancing was not available, and that was Sten. He kind of reminded me of Segacious Tien, or even Canderous.



But again, this is coming from a real life male's point of view. I found the romanceable male characters really cheesy and effeminate while the male characters not available for a romance were actually more appealing. But it's obvious actually women find these male romance options just fine. So, my opinion really doesn't matter.

[Kohaku]

Evainelithe wrote...

ckriley wrote...

Well, I didn't read through this thread so I'm sure there are many girls on here who liked the romance options. I just found them to not be that appealing. But I think that other poster in this thread that pointed out that if you're a straight male playing a female character and are doing the romances, the male options might seem odd to you.

I think that might be true, because I am a straight guy and looking back at all the BW games, I find the male romance options to be dreadful.

KOTOR: Carth was annoying and I hardly ever used him. His subplot with his son on Korriban was interesting, but that was about it. He whined a lot. Why couldn't we romance Canderous???

Jade Empire: Sky seemed instantly gay to me. Then later I found out he was fully romanceable as a male character so I guess it made sense in a way. I didn't understand why I couldn't romance Segacious Tien. I found him to be much more appealing and interesting.

Mass Effect: Kaiden reminded me way too much of Carth. Maybe because he was voiced by the same guy, or the fact that as a sentinel, I found him useless. But in any case, I just didn't really want Kaiden. I romanced him anyway, but just mainly for RP purposes. My female Shepherd needed some love. Joker would've been much better but I guess the whole condition with his bones would make having sex impossible. But Joker>>>>Kaiden.

Dragon Age: Zevran, like Sky, was instantly gay to me. Then, like Sky, I found out he's fully romanceable by a male PC as well. What's up with this? Can't my female characters get a real man? Then there's Alistair. A bumbling, bastard, virgin who has no self esteem or confidence. His whole quest with his sister was just painful to watch. Again, the one male character I would've been interested in romancing was not available, and that was Sten. He kind of reminded me of Segacious Tien, or even Canderous.

But again, this is coming from a real life male's point of view. I found the romanceable male characters really cheesy and effeminate while the male characters not available for a romance were actually more appealing. But it's obvious actually women find these male romance options just fine. So, my opinion really doesn't matter.

Actually I wholeheartedly agree, and that's from a real life woman.

I agree too. He put into words what I think. Thank the Maker.

[ejoslin]

Namirsolo wrote...

I saw a thread here where David Gaider was defending people calling Zevran "easy" in the sense that he doesn't care if you sleep with other people while you're with him. He said that each romance is scripted the same way and that they will initiate the same type of conversation at the same approval rating.

However, I would agree that Leliana does seem to be more jealous because of the way her "him or me" convo goes. She is much more forceful about it while both of the guys at least try to be casual about it. She also has a follow up conversation, I think whether you choose her or not, where she will apologize to you like she yelled at you when I didn't really think what she said was unreasonable at all.

Zevran insisist that he is not jealous, but it seems that his tone implies that he actually is. He will tell you that he is more concerned for the other person's feelings, but I don't know whether I believe it. You can end it with him in this conversation and only lose something like 3 or 4 approval.

Even with liking Zevran more, I find it really difficult to break up with Alistair in the him or me speech because he just sounds so pathetic. I don't remember what his approval lose is, though.

The easiset banter triggers I found to drag my party over were straight ahead in the Denerim market district (near where Leliana can have her encounter with Marjoline) and straight ahead in the Dalish camp. There is also one near the proving grounds in Orzammar and one in the Gnawed Noble in front of the room where Master Ignacio is for the Crow quests. You have to reload to get a new one.

So if someone could enlighten me as to exactly how to juggle Alistair
and Zevran's relationship so that the City Elf can be the king's
mistress in order to aid her people and still have an elven bedmate....

I'm not sure if this will work with Zevran. I only know for sure that he will stay with you when you are with Alistair if you are a human noble queeen and if you are any race that chooses to become a warden at the end. I think if you stay in Denerim at all the epilogue will say that Zevran remains "at least for a time" but you can ignore that if you like.

The most important thing you'll need to do is harden Alistair. You do that by doing his sidequest and then telling him that people are only out for themselves. Then you may need to have pretty good coercion. I'm not sure if there is a persuade choice in that. (my city elf was with Zevran, I'm pretty particular about them being together. heh)

Play the Alistair romance until you have no more dialogue options except to ask him to sleep with you. Then wait until you have Zevran in your party. Chat him up and sleep with him once you get him in your party (man this sounds so callous. lol)

You're going to want to save often and in at least two different slots as this is really easy to mess up. The most important part is that as soon as one of them hits adore they will ask you to choose between them the next time you talk to them. Alistair has to be at adore to get him to come to your tent. So, keep Zevran below 70 until you can sleep with Alistair.. then ask Alistair into your tent.

At that point you can finish the dialogue options with Zevran (as long as he's not above
adore) and give both of them gifts to max their approval out. Alistair's are his mother's amulet in Redcliffe castle (in Eamon's office) and Duncan's shield (in the Denerim market warehouse, only available after you talk to Riordan about it) and Zevran's are dalish gloves (in that mysterious camp in the Brecilian forest) and Antivan leather boots (in Haven's shop in a chest).

Then you must never talk to either of them again until you're in Arl Eamon's estate in Denerim. This is the hardest part. You can't accidentally click on either of them because they will both make you choose and there is no way out of it. That is why I reccomend saving often.

Don't worry, you'll still get Zevran's earring if you go back to camp after meeting Taliesin (but I don't think he'll offer it a second time if you refuse, I don't know) since this cutscene doesn't require you talking to him first. I think you can also ask him about Rinna in the estate if you haven't done this yet.

Okay that was extremely long. I only know for sure that this will work if you are a human noble and if you choose the option to rebuild the grey wardens, though.

Zevran may offer you the earring a second time depending on how you answer him when he's refusing to go to your tent -- and it's the closest to him telling your PC that he loves her (and allows the earring to be taken as a proposal).  

The ONLY time I've been able to marry Alistair, keep Zevran as my lover AND be able to talk to them is when my PC has married Alistair as a political arrangement and is at "friendly".  Otherwise, of course, after the "royal scandal" talk, if you talk to either one, you are forced to choose.  You can't have two characters in love with your PC unfortunately.

If you have Alistair at love with your character, I don't think you can even complete the Zevran romance.  You can get the earring (if you accept it the first time, which is not nearly as satisfying), but you can't get the final few conversations, including Zev finally telling you how he feels.

In the epilogue, unless you sacrifice yourself, you only read about one lover anyway and how they ended up with you, anyway, and if you sacrifice yourself, you can read about how everyone who was in love with you destroyed themselves without you there which is depressing, especially when it's two or three!

However, the dialog with Alistair and Zevran when you select your party before storming Denerhim is worth having both of them in love.  Zevran's lines there can be the absolute best in the game if he's in your party and you tell him you're glad he's there.  Alistair's lines are nothing to sneeze at though, IF he's in love with you.

Modifié par ejoslin, 29 décembre 2009 - 12:55 .

[mopotter]

Alistair all the way.  I like his jokes and the way  he treats my character.  He makes me feel all mushy inside.  :happy:

When my character picks Zev, I leave him at the camp.  I get a bit irritated when he is askind Leliana if she needs some sexual release and asking Wynne if he can sob on her bosom.  And I always tell Alistair that if I'm wrong about him, he's dead. 

[mopotter]

Creature 1 wrote...

Original182 wrote...

Whoa dudes, the OP was asking opinions from ladies, not lads.

If you're talking to me, I'm female.  My current avatar is my male rogue, who prefers Zevran.  My female mage prefers Alistair, but that's because she has bad judgment.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]

I love this!  Never judge a book by it's cover, Never assume you know who your talking to.  Reminds me of when my step-daughter was 13. 

[mopotter]

ejoslin wrote...

PranaFerox wrote...

Zevran is far more interesting. At first Alistair had the goofy sense of humor going for him, but that got old. Also, I have to disagree with whoever said Alistair was more physically attractive, I like my men on the more androgynous side (just personal preference). Also all his references to leather and chains...definitely a more interesting character in my book. I have yet to romance either, since this is my first playthrough, and was going through this exact same debate with a friend the other night, however I think I'm going for Zevran.

Plus, I want to specialize in assassin, dammit!

Agree and agree.  And anyone who thinks a guy is sleazy just because he hits on you immediately hasn't known too many guys!  Zev at least backs down if you tell him not interested!

I'm 59.  I've known and had my fair share of guys.  Of course some guys hit on you immediately (I've also seen some women do this)  and sometimes that's fun, but after awile it gets old.  I'll go with the ones who make me laugh and bring me roses for no real reason.  I do like Zev's story and as long as I leave him in the camp he's
fine.  But my heart belongs to Alistair. (also personal preference)

My husband, is bit like Alistair, which may have something to do with my perference.  Kind, sweet and funny, brings home a single rose for no reason other than he thought of me and while he may look at pretty women when we are out, he dosen't go up to them and suggest help them relax.  :happy: 

[Namirsolo]

Personally, I feel that Zevran is more likely to be loyal to your character after the archdemon falls because he would have the guts to say no if someone came onto him. I think he'd gladly flirt with people to make them uncomfortable (and I find this hilarious) but he adores the warden and if she wasn't okay with him having anyone else he wouldn't. I'm sure women would be throwing themselves at the people who killed the archdemon and I don't think Alistair would be very good at saying no since he has trouble saying it to anyone in the game. Haha

That's personal conjecture, though, of course.

[Ubasti]

First, it was really interesting to read this thread. Nice to know other people's thoughts on the romances and the characters in the game.

I can't say I prefer one over the other (well haven't really romanced Zevran all the way yet, I'm on my second playthrough atm, got the game like three weeks ago, and romanced Alistair with my noble the first time). For me it's more about what kind of character I'm roleplaying, not about me or whom I do like .

As some others have said, Alistair reminds me of my husband (with whom I've been together now for about 16 years), and thus he makes me laugh a lot, because I can relate what he is saying to real life, or all that shyness and such (yeah well, I guess my hubby then is a weak person too, what can I say, I like to be the one who is in charge I suppose - though I didn't find Alistair at all weak during the game, emotional yes, needing guidance yes, but weak, not really. Just inexperienced and very very young). But choosing him for the first game was more about my PC being a noble woman, who was a bit rebellious but not enough to forget who she had been, and also pretty inexperienced about life, and probably had also read loads of stories about knights in shining armour when she was a child, hehe. So she totally fell for Alistair.

My second character is a Dalish, and also more experienced, and older, and doesn't really like humans that much (she did order her friend to kill one human as a warning in the beginning for example). So she's pretty cold toward Alistair, though teases him a bit just because she can. But she's all over Zevran, because he's an elf, and also because he's experienced. Besides, since she's doing some murdering of her own for the Crows anyway, she won't mind Zev's background a bit either. I kind of think she's more badass than Zev actually, but that's no problem to me at all. I also like bad boys, but only when my character is even more bad *evil grin*. I guess she's also what some people would call sleezy, if that means being sexually active and direct what comes to addressing such things.

My third character is going to be a City Elf, who likes only women (and is probably too sad having to leave her beautiful cousin behind, Shianni that is) .

So for me it is all about the character I'm playing. But I am glad that the options in this game are far better than for example in BG2 or NWN2. In BG2 I had a male character to woo the female NPCs just because I hated Anomen, and actually the same for NWN2. I was actually amazed how well Alistair was written, part of me was afraid yet another Anomen.

Edit: I find it hard to believe that Alistair actually would sleep with other women even if he'd became the hero. I already thought that Morrigan had to give him some of those herbs she carried around in her bag to make him perform at all during that ritual night, haha.

Modifié par Ubasti, 29 décembre 2009 - 08:21 .

[Callie K]

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction!

[Herr Uhl]

Callie K wrote...

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction!

So does Zevran!

[MorningBird]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Callie K wrote...

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction!

So does Zevran!

Dead.  In my chair.  Laughing. x___x

[seramiran]

I haven't read the thread all the way through, but this page is interesting and amusing.

I rather like the idea of having more than one lover and that there are options beyond the (currently) social norm in the game.

What I would like to see are more options in character behavior. This is very difficult to do, I realize, but I do wonder why the characters are so rigid sometimes ... so determinedly fixed to a given role. But then, the games keep getting better, and this aspect has been improving all along.

The most fun would probably be playing a male character and romancing EVERYONE ... including seducing Alistair. Can't you just imagine the catty dialog between Morigan and Alistair if you were dallying with both of them?

Edit: The above 2 or 3 replies were posted while I was making my post!!! Too funny.

Modifié par seramiran, 29 décembre 2009 - 10:16 .

[Rathany]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Callie K wrote...

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction!

So does Zevran!

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction written by Zevran!

[seramiran]

Rathany wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Callie K wrote...

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction!

So does Zevran!

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction written by Zevran!

It would have to be Zevran writing it, wouldn't it? Alistair would stutter ... wrecks the keyboard.

[nos_astra]

Rathany wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Callie K wrote...

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction!

So does Zevran!

I vote Alistair/Zevran slash fanfiction written by Zevran!

Woah! Awkward!

*blush*

[SweetiePea]

I'm an Alistair girl. He has everything I look for in a man: he's funny, he's self-deprecating, he's loyal, and he has a high moral code. I don't think the fact that he needs a strong woman with him makes him weak. His problem is that he lacks self-confidence, and having the female PC there to bolster him helps him to see that he's selling himself short. I think Alistair is a bit of a dork, and that's a big part of what makes him so endearing to me. What can I say? I'm a girl who loves nerds.



I understand perfectly why he reacts the way he does if you spare Loghain, and I don't think it's him having a hissy fit. Loghain has committed regicide and has all but wiped out the Grey Wardens in Ferelden. I have no problem seeing why Alistair takes off if you bring Loghain into the party. I really disagree with what Riordan says. Yes, I can understand why taking down the archdemon is top priority, but I think it's naive to believe that someone like Loghain can be trusted. It's metagaming to say that he doesn't betray your PC. When you're at the Landsmeet, all you know about the guy is that he abandoned the Grey Wardens and Cailan, and has done his absolute best to knock your PC and Alistair off since then. This is not a guy that I think anyone with a measure of sanity or an interest in self-preservation should consider taking along.



So why do I take Zevran with me? LOL Contradiction, thy name is SweetiePea!



As for Zev, his promiscuity is a real turnoff for me, as is his casual attitude about killing other people. I think he's a sociopath. Now, I'm not totally slamming his character. I actually like him a lot and he got tons of sympathy points for his horrible upbringing. Still, he's not someone that I'd personally find attractive. I could see him as being a much more viable option for a Dalish elf PC, though.



I'm definitely on board the Gorim train. I so wished my dwarf noble PC could have flirted with him more. I loved, loved, loved it when he called her the "Paragon of Beauty". It could have been total cheese, but he sounded so sincere about it. I'm generally not interested in playing as a dwarf, but I was tempted to keep going just so that I could see what happens when my PC runs into him in Denerim. Big bummer to find out he's already married and a father.



The Cullen thing was rather twisted. He was falling all over himself in front of my PC and then he tells her he was selected to execute her if she'd failed her Harrowing? Um, thanks?



As for other BioWare romance options: Knights of the Old Republic. I still carry a big, fat torch for Carth. I think BG2 is the most fully-fleshed romance, though. Once you get past Anomen's obnoxious nature (and if you don't know, David Gaider has stated that they'd already made Anomen Mr. Pompous before it was decided he was to be the romanceable character for a female PC), he's really very sweet. He's a lot more laid back in Throne of Baal than he is in Shadows of Amn.

[TheDauntless]

Alistair for me. He's the kind of guy who looks toward having a future and he considers what I might be thinking or feeling at any given time, hopefully about him. And he's handsome, he likes to do the right thing, wants me to be his first and only. Alistair's funny and adorably awkward and he admits that he can't think when he's around me, which is the same way I feel when I'm in love with a man. I find myself slain by that.

Zevran is perhaps capable of that too, but I don't think those habits are second-nature for him. He'd be a rebound guy in an ending where Alistair sacrifices himself for me, but only with the thorough application of http://social.bioware.com/project/746/ as a makeover. Zevran's not boring, but I can't feel...passion for him. I haven't pursued him either. No reason for me to since Alistair's in the picture.

Modifié par TheDauntless, 30 décembre 2009 - 07:29 .

[Namirsolo]

As for Zev, his promiscuity is a real turnoff for me, as is his casual
attitude about killing other people. I think he's a sociopath.

He would have made a terrible professional assasin if he felt remorse for every single person he ever killed.

[Ilvra]

SweetiePea wrote...
So why do I take Zevran with me? LOL Contradiction, thy name is SweetiePea!

I don't find it contradictory at all.  I'll go for Alistair romantically every time. I can't help it, unless I play a male PC (and even then...he's still in the running, just unattainable).  Zevran, on the other hand, is a WONDERFUL friend -- funny, brave, honest and ultimately very loyal. He goes with me more often than not, and I've never been to the rooftop without him, although I have been up there without Al, either because I spared Loghain, or because I had to leave him at the gates to prempt his sacrifice.