After post Landsmeet breakup, Zev was a rebound. Still he was very sweet so maybe there might be more I haven't decided. Though we agreed it was a casual thing.
Not sure what is going to happen with Alistair. I was mad at the breakup. As a dwarf, berserker and former royalty that does not make for the "let's remain friends" type.
LADIES, Alistair or Zevran?
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 03:12
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Yes, Alistair's romance, like Morrigans, has the most potential for tragedy and loss, and a bittersweet ending. Sometimes, I;ve played it through just to get the tragic/sadder endings. Those, I find, are as rewarding as happy ones. But the most rewarding part is watching him change and develop, and being there from the beginning, regardless of which path you choose. And of course, being his first woman has a certain loin-warming appeal. That he can be taught....
However, even if I'm planning on being with Alistair, before the relationship goes too far, I can't resist playtime with Zevy at least once. It's his fault. he should have never brought up his leather fetish. Or mention chains. or ropes. Maybe I should gag him next time. Though he might like that....
"Arrr! Pirate Zevran, reporting for duty! Prepare to be boarded!":wub:
However, even if I'm planning on being with Alistair, before the relationship goes too far, I can't resist playtime with Zevy at least once. It's his fault. he should have never brought up his leather fetish. Or mention chains. or ropes. Maybe I should gag him next time. Though he might like that....
"Arrr! Pirate Zevran, reporting for duty! Prepare to be boarded!":wub:
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 03:15
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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
"Arrr! Pirate Zevran, reporting for duty! Prepare to be boarded!":wub:
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:07
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It's very hard for me to choose and thus my characters often agonize, unless there's a clear RP reason for them to choose one or the other (as in city elf, who couldn't get past the history with human men).
Alistair: His story seems to be more integral to the larger lore. I'm taken with Maric as depicted in the novels, so the chance to romance his son (who is so much like him) is often irresistible. Physically he's also more my type. And then there's the voice. That #*(@ voice lures me in every time!
Zevran: What can I say. To me this is the deeper, more passionate romance. It's literally life and death on so many levels. The big down side is that I doubt the developers will do much with him beyond Origins, which is sad because he is such an interesting character.
Alistair: His story seems to be more integral to the larger lore. I'm taken with Maric as depicted in the novels, so the chance to romance his son (who is so much like him) is often irresistible. Physically he's also more my type. And then there's the voice. That #*(@ voice lures me in every time!
Zevran: What can I say. To me this is the deeper, more passionate romance. It's literally life and death on so many levels. The big down side is that I doubt the developers will do much with him beyond Origins, which is sad because he is such an interesting character.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:43
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Addai67 wrote...
Zevran: What can I say. To me this is the deeper, more passionate romance. It's literally life and death on so many levels. The big down side is that I doubt the developers will do much with him beyond Origins, which is sad because he is such an interesting character.
Yeah I know what you mean, one guy I know who has played it, won't talk to him and he always kills him when either they first meet or the other Crow shows up. Well duh, if you don't talk to him hes not going to be loyal. I fear that a lot of guys do this with him and thus he will be dead in most peoples play. So they won't invest a lot time in character who may be dead in 50% of the games out there. Hopefully not but thats the feeling I get.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:50
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Yes, the nervous heterosexual male syndrome perhaps? My husband suffers from that. Although when I installed ZevranASAP mod, he actually gave thumbs up because Zevran is also the most deadly NPC you can pick up. Many people don't realize that, either, so it makes Zevran one of the best-kept secrets of the game.MutantSpleen wrote...
Yeah I know what you mean, one guy I know who has played it, won't talk to him and he always kills him when either they first meet or the other Crow shows up. Well duh, if you don't talk to him hes not going to be loyal. I fear that a lot of guys do this with him and thus he will be dead in most peoples play. So they won't invest a lot time in character who may be dead in 50% of the games out there. Hopefully not but thats the feeling I get.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 06:52
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Yes I just started using him on my second play though and I have him with like 35% crit on each dagger, that's crazy! I bet you can get it higher too, thats without me trying very hard. He is quite deadly once you flesh him out.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 11:53
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This is a very interesting thread. I read through most of it (work was boring today 
) and for the most part, I found the discussion rather enlightening.
For me, Alistair vs. Zevran choice has changed. Why requires some explaination.
My first playthrough, I played as a Human Noble Female. I didn't spoil myself at all for that first game, other than reading the guide book to select my first Origin story (the Cousland's story interested me the most). I didn't even *know* you could romance any of the characters until the option to tell Alistair he was handsome popped up in my dialog choices. From that point, my PC was hooked -- Alistair was so sweet and funny, she would have done anything for him. "You don't want to be king? OK, that's fine by me." Little did I know he would change his mind... I unintentionally (no spoilers, remember?) hardened him at his personal quest, b/c my PC was SO pissed at G's attitude (I even said her tongue should be cut out
). So down the road, we get Anora back and I plan to put her on the throne (since everyone seemed to think I'd have a say in the choice). My PC talks to Alistair about it and he's all "She's too much like Loghain. No way she should be queen." So... now you want to be king? OK, I can do that. We get to the landsmeet, and I make him king and he tries to break up with me... WTF?!?!? I'd skipped the persuade choice the first time because I thought he'd be pissed that my PC basically proposed to him in front of everyone w/o talking to him first... But break up with me? Hell no! So I go back and do the whole Landsmeet again, use the persuade, and end up ruling with him (all hunky dory, except Morrigan possibly being preg with Maker-knows-what, but my PC chose to pretend that crap never happened 
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After that playthrough, I loved Alistair completely. I agonized through my second game as a Female Dalish Elf, thinking that he was going to die killing the ArchDemon -- that play my PC was romancing Zevran and didn't plan to die on him for any reason, but my stomach couldn't take the Morrigan thing again. Then I remembered the whole Riordan speech at the Landsmeet and thought "Yes! Loghain can become a warden so Alistair doesn't have to die!" I felt much better... until the way Alistair behaved when my PC let Loghain live. Holy shnikies, Batman! The Alistair I thought I knew would not have acted like that. My PC had friendship at 100 with him, and he treated her *terribly*, just because she saw the logical sense in what Riordan said. I almost reverted to a save, but I thought, "He'll forgive my PC when Loghain dies, even if he's married to that byotch. At least he's alive!" And... no dice. He was still a complete pr*ck in his dialog to my Dalish Elf in the epilogue. So... from here on in, I have no problem letting his beind get fried by the ArchDemon...
Zevran, on the other hand, will be loyal to your PC whether you romance him or not. There was no hint of romance between my HNF and Zev (PC turned him down flat, and he took the hint), but he still had my PC's back with Talisan, and agreed to stay with her at the end game when she asked, even though leaving would have probably been better for him overall.
I also ended up preferring the "path" of the Zevran romance overall. Zevran comes off as so shallow when you're first involved with him ("I was taught to take my pleasures where I could find them"), but after Talisan it was... *sigh*
. He fought his own feelings so hard, but he loved my Dalish Elf, and the things he said to her made me swoon like a fangirl. Right now, I'm playing a male Elven Mage who is going to romance Zev. I'm interested to see what differences there are when a Male PC hooks up with Zevran, rather than a female
So... yeah, I'm on team Zevran. I still like Alistair a lot and will likely romance him with another PC at some point, but knowing what he's capable of doing to his "best friend" has tarnished his shine a bit for me
OT - regarding Leliana, I romanced her with a Male City Elf, and eh... it was OK. My least favorite romance so far. Not sure if she might be better with a female PC or not. And Morrigan... I can't even go there yet, knowing what I know *blech*. At some point, I will have to make an evil bastard Male PC who can live with her garbage, just to get the Trophy, but not yet. She still makes my skin crawl, several play-throughs later.
-- Edited, because typos are not your friend --
) and for the most part, I found the discussion rather enlightening.For me, Alistair vs. Zevran choice has changed. Why requires some explaination.
My first playthrough, I played as a Human Noble Female. I didn't spoil myself at all for that first game, other than reading the guide book to select my first Origin story (the Cousland's story interested me the most). I didn't even *know* you could romance any of the characters until the option to tell Alistair he was handsome popped up in my dialog choices. From that point, my PC was hooked -- Alistair was so sweet and funny, she would have done anything for him. "You don't want to be king? OK, that's fine by me." Little did I know he would change his mind... I unintentionally (no spoilers, remember?) hardened him at his personal quest, b/c my PC was SO pissed at G's attitude (I even said her tongue should be cut out
). So down the road, we get Anora back and I plan to put her on the throne (since everyone seemed to think I'd have a say in the choice). My PC talks to Alistair about it and he's all "She's too much like Loghain. No way she should be queen." So... now you want to be king? OK, I can do that. We get to the landsmeet, and I make him king and he tries to break up with me... WTF?!?!? I'd skipped the persuade choice the first time because I thought he'd be pissed that my PC basically proposed to him in front of everyone w/o talking to him first... But break up with me? Hell no! So I go back and do the whole Landsmeet again, use the persuade, and end up ruling with him (all hunky dory, except Morrigan possibly being preg with Maker-knows-what, but my PC chose to pretend that crap never happened ).After that playthrough, I loved Alistair completely. I agonized through my second game as a Female Dalish Elf, thinking that he was going to die killing the ArchDemon -- that play my PC was romancing Zevran and didn't plan to die on him for any reason, but my stomach couldn't take the Morrigan thing again. Then I remembered the whole Riordan speech at the Landsmeet and thought "Yes! Loghain can become a warden so Alistair doesn't have to die!" I felt much better... until the way Alistair behaved when my PC let Loghain live. Holy shnikies, Batman! The Alistair I thought I knew would not have acted like that. My PC had friendship at 100 with him, and he treated her *terribly*, just because she saw the logical sense in what Riordan said. I almost reverted to a save, but I thought, "He'll forgive my PC when Loghain dies, even if he's married to that byotch. At least he's alive!" And... no dice. He was still a complete pr*ck in his dialog to my Dalish Elf in the epilogue. So... from here on in, I have no problem letting his beind get fried by the ArchDemon...
Zevran, on the other hand, will be loyal to your PC whether you romance him or not. There was no hint of romance between my HNF and Zev (PC turned him down flat, and he took the hint), but he still had my PC's back with Talisan, and agreed to stay with her at the end game when she asked, even though leaving would have probably been better for him overall.
I also ended up preferring the "path" of the Zevran romance overall. Zevran comes off as so shallow when you're first involved with him ("I was taught to take my pleasures where I could find them"), but after Talisan it was... *sigh*
. He fought his own feelings so hard, but he loved my Dalish Elf, and the things he said to her made me swoon like a fangirl. Right now, I'm playing a male Elven Mage who is going to romance Zev. I'm interested to see what differences there are when a Male PC hooks up with Zevran, rather than a femaleSo... yeah, I'm on team Zevran. I still like Alistair a lot and will likely romance him with another PC at some point, but knowing what he's capable of doing to his "best friend" has tarnished his shine a bit for me
OT - regarding Leliana, I romanced her with a Male City Elf, and eh... it was OK. My least favorite romance so far. Not sure if she might be better with a female PC or not. And Morrigan... I can't even go there yet, knowing what I know *blech*. At some point, I will have to make an evil bastard Male PC who can live with her garbage, just to get the Trophy, but not yet. She still makes my skin crawl, several play-throughs later.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 11:59
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willikat wrote...
"He'll forgive my PC when Loghain dies, even if he's married to that byotch. At least he's alive!" And... no dice. He was still a complete pr*ck in his dialog to my Dalish Elf in the epilogue.
Really? The one time I did it, he was pretty much over it at the coronation. A little testy, maybe, but my PC felt like their friendship would recover eventually. She did kind of want to tell him that he should have trusted her though.
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Posté 12 mars 2010 - 11:59
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Uh...both. Depending on the character I'm playing. I think they both have great stories, great romantic dialogue, and both are screamingly hilarious in their own way.
And the sexual differences between the two of them also make them both appealing in totally different ways.
Basically, they're perfect counterpoints.
And the sexual differences between the two of them also make them both appealing in totally different ways.
Basically, they're perfect counterpoints.
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 12:25
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AnniLau wrote...
willikat wrote...
"He'll forgive my PC when Loghain dies, even if he's married to that byotch. At least he's alive!" And... no dice. He was still a complete pr*ck in his dialog to my Dalish Elf in the epilogue.
Really? The one time I did it, he was pretty much over it at the coronation. A little testy, maybe, but my PC felt like their friendship would recover eventually. She did kind of want to tell him that he should have trusted her though.
Hmm... maybe his reaction in the Epilog depends on what dialog occurs after you initially spare Loghain? I think I chose the option about "Not all of us have spotless honor". Maybe a different response would have worked out better in the end, but it was apropos to my PC's attitude and background, so I chose it.
Mainly, I was angry because of his response when I said "I thought you'd be happy we succeeded" and his reply was along the lines of "I guess so". I mean, really? His personal need for revenge on Loghain was more important than defeating the Blight? OK... not too impressed LOL.
Like I said, it was one set of circumstances, but the way that story turned out really made me re-think how I'd seen Alistair in my first play. And that wasn't the only reason I prefer Zevran. Just how sweet and vulnerable he actually is under that lothario facade (when you *really* get to know him and win his heart) made him my favorite. For me, Alistair is like milk chocolate, sweet and gooey. Zevran is like dark chocolate, deep and rich. I like both, but I tend to enjoy a little bit of sharpness with my sweet.
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 01:06
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Zevran is far deeper than expected, for sure. And so beautiful, it just doesn't get old!
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 02:28
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Zevran... *sigh*. I 
him. Can't wait for my Male Elf Mage to get his hands on the hot little assassin
ejoslin - I just looked at your Zevran Romance FAQ, and it is AWESOME! This will be a huge help to my Mage character (clearly, I stopped caring about "spoilers" after my first play of DAO).
In past games, I've always done the first part of Redcliffe, then the Mages tower, then the Redcliffe Fade (Lyrium) to start, but the section on how to get Zevran sooner made me reconsider this (I'm currently in Lothering with my Mage). Because of the above SOP I've used (got used to it in my first playthrough), I've never had Zevran available until later (2 quests done, since I go direct from the Tower back to Redcliffe; he pounces as I leave Redcliffe after saving Connor), So, I've never had Zevran available for the Fade at the Circle Tower. That is something I'm definitely looking forward to seeing.
Based on your info, my Mage needs to try going to the Dalish first (I won't slay them anyway with this PC; he's not that type of guy) so I can rectify the "late arrival" this play through. Or... I may go to Redcliffe and just Blood Magic Isolde. I've always thought that mess at Redcliffe is 90% her fault (magic prejudiced wench!), and with Alistair's gifts, I can afford to take an approval hit from him. Hmmm... I'll need to think on this.
Beyond that, I'm much obliged for the info about rejecting the earing. My Dalish Elf took it when first offered... I'll need to try the "rejection/proposal" to see if anything interesting happens, especially since my Mage is male
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--- Edited to add: I'm SO wishing I had this on the PC now (I'm on PS3), so I could use the "ZevranASAP" mod. My current PC is ancient and won't run DAO... how sad is it that I'm considering buying a new PC, just so I can play this game with developer mods? LOL
him. Can't wait for my Male Elf Mage to get his hands on the hot little assassin ejoslin - I just looked at your Zevran Romance FAQ, and it is AWESOME! This will be a huge help to my Mage character (clearly, I stopped caring about "spoilers" after my first play of DAO
). In past games, I've always done the first part of Redcliffe, then the Mages tower, then the Redcliffe Fade (Lyrium) to start, but the section on how to get Zevran sooner made me reconsider this (I'm currently in Lothering with my Mage). Because of the above SOP I've used (got used to it in my first playthrough), I've never had Zevran available until later (2 quests done, since I go direct from the Tower back to Redcliffe; he pounces as I leave Redcliffe after saving Connor), So, I've never had Zevran available for the Fade at the Circle Tower. That is something I'm definitely looking forward to seeing.
Based on your info, my Mage needs to try going to the Dalish first (I won't slay them anyway with this PC; he's not that type of guy) so I can rectify the "late arrival" this play through. Or... I may go to Redcliffe and just Blood Magic Isolde. I've always thought that mess at Redcliffe is 90% her fault (magic prejudiced wench!
), and with Alistair's gifts, I can afford to take an approval hit from him. Hmmm... I'll need to think on this.Beyond that, I'm much obliged for the info about rejecting the earing. My Dalish Elf took it when first offered... I'll need to try the "rejection/proposal" to see if anything interesting happens, especially since my Mage is male
.--- Edited to add: I'm SO wishing I had this on the PC now (I'm on PS3), so I could use the "ZevranASAP" mod. My current PC is ancient and won't run DAO... how sad is it that I'm considering buying a new PC, just so I can play this game with developer mods? LOL
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 02:32
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the only difference in the proposal speech if your male is the "but your a man!" dialogue option which will cause Zevran to break up with you
but thankfully since its done in camp its not a public dumping like what Alistair does to you
also if your on PC download the Zevran ASAP mod which Ejoslins faq link to near the bottom
but thankfully since its done in camp its not a public dumping like what Alistair does to you
also if your on PC download the Zevran ASAP mod which Ejoslins faq link to near the bottom
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Awww, thank you Willikat! I'm glad it was a help!
And you know, you would NOT be the first person to buy a PC to play DA:O after playing it on a console. I won't mention any names, but I can think of at least two! And if two will admit it, there are a LOT more!
And you know, you would NOT be the first person to buy a PC to play DA:O after playing it on a console. I won't mention any names, but I can think of at least two! And if two will admit it, there are a LOT more!
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 03:19
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ejoslin wrote...
Awww, thank you Willikat! I'm glad it was a help!
And you know, you would NOT be the first person to buy a PC to play DA:O after playing it on a console. I won't mention any names, but I can think of at least two! And if two will admit it, there are a LOT more!
Good to hear I'm not the only one! Makes me a little less embarassed about it. There may be PC shopping hapening in my near future
.I have some Zev questions, but I'll post them in the FAQ comments since they're OT for here. My romance choice is pretty clear at this point LOL
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Oh, absolutely. You're also more than welcome to join us in our Zevran love thread. Though I have to warn you, Cuddlezarro is evil.
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ejoslin wrote...
Oh, absolutely. You're also more than welcome to join us in our Zevran love thread. Though I have to warn you, Cuddlezarro is evil.
you know you love me
expecially with all those *ahem* totally safe for work screenshots I post
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Oh man... an entire thread dedicated to love of the hot Elven assassin? I'm so there!
Thanks for the link - I'm new to these foums so I hadn't found it yet. Looks like my Mage is going to be stuck in Lothering a while longer... LOL
Thanks for the link - I'm new to these foums so I hadn't found it yet. Looks like my Mage is going to be stuck in Lothering a while longer... LOL
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Oh man... an entire thread dedicated to love of the hot Elven assassin? I'm so there!
Thanks for the link - I'm new to these foums so I hadn't found it yet. Looks like my Mage is going to be stuck in Lothering a while longer... LOL
have fun catching up its over 300 pages now :3
and it gets better the deeper you get into it
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Cuddlezarro wrote...
ejoslin wrote...
Oh, absolutely. You're also more than welcome to join us in our Zevran love thread. Though I have to warn you, Cuddlezarro is evil.
you know you love me
expecially with all those *ahem* totally safe for work screenshots I post
Of course I do
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 04:55
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Cuddlezarro wrote...
have fun catching up its over 300 pages now :3
and it gets better the deeper you get into it
I've been reading some now - nothing at all wrong with 300+ pages of Zev Love IMO!
I'll be catching up in pieces, though. It's almost midnight here, and I'm about ready to crash LOL
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Zevran. Hands down.
Alistair is a well intentioned guy with a good sense of humor, but he has the mentality and emotional state of a teenager. I NEVER sow the appeal in the whole 'Manchild' thing. If I wanted to be someone's mommy, I'd pop out a kid. So I never felt compelled to romance him, though my first file, a Dalish male, was ready to jump his bones if it had been possible, when they were conversing about their past. But that's ALL it would have been. Needless to say him and Zev are a perfect match. lol
Zevran, on the other hand, isn't JUST funny, but also extremely clever. He's much more mature and wise to the wicked ways of the world than Alistair, and pretty upfront and honest about who and what he is. It doesn't take very much digging in his dialogues to realize he has a lot of depth, and is not cold hearted. He quickly becomes the most loyal companion who asks so little of you, but is willing to give so much in return. If you let him, he becomes your equal who helps you make decisions and argues with you if you are about to do something you might regret. He's a man about things. As horrible as his childhood was, he doesn't want your pity, and is in fact proud of being a survivor. He is truly that diamond in the rough that fantasies are made of.
And of course, you know he will be WAAAAAY better in bed than Al. Give me a generous lover with experience and knowledge over a shy and shamed virgin any day.
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I notice many people are taking Zev at face value and assuming he is remorseless. This isn't so. He does admit that he has regrets. He admits to it when you are talking to him about sexuality, and he says something about regreting worse things than who he's slept with. I never can remember his exact dialogue. You'd have to ask ejoslin for that. LOL But yes... it becomes clear as you explore him that he actually does NOT like seeing others suffer and wants to be mercifull. He looks for ways to justify his killings, so it won't way is heavily on his consience. But when it comes right down to it, he was a SLAVE and HAD to be a good killer to survive... or else he'd be tortured, or slain, or both. I think he's paid his dues in life, so I don't see it as him being 'romorseless' for not wanting to cry and obsess over the lives he's taken. That would destroy him, and wouldn't change the past. He's far to smart to play the martyre role or harbor a victim complex just because the world wants to punish people like him, even though he's suffered enough, surely. True, he's not sorry to have a sence of satifaction in his killing, but it's something he's doing to survive... like a cat killing a mouse. It's only natural. I admire his honesty.
I forget what the other point was that I wanted to make. lol But yeah... you have to read between the lines with Zev, and also put yourself in his shoes before judging him. Antiva is nothing like the fairly peacefull and privilaged modern society the majority of posters here live in. Even Ferelden is a harsh place where people have to make dire, heartbreaking decisions to survive. That's what this game is all about. Ask yourself this... what if Alistair wasn't conscribed by Duncan? What if he became a full fledged Templar? He'd be hunting down mages and making them choose between living as slaves in a prison, or else ether being magicaly lobotimized or ran through with his sword. Maybe he's the type who would cry himself to sleep over it every night, but that doesn't realy make it any better than what Zev did for a living. Alistair just got lucky, and never had it as bad as Zev.
Alistair is a well intentioned guy with a good sense of humor, but he has the mentality and emotional state of a teenager. I NEVER sow the appeal in the whole 'Manchild' thing. If I wanted to be someone's mommy, I'd pop out a kid. So I never felt compelled to romance him, though my first file, a Dalish male, was ready to jump his bones if it had been possible, when they were conversing about their past. But that's ALL it would have been. Needless to say him and Zev are a perfect match. lol
Zevran, on the other hand, isn't JUST funny, but also extremely clever. He's much more mature and wise to the wicked ways of the world than Alistair, and pretty upfront and honest about who and what he is. It doesn't take very much digging in his dialogues to realize he has a lot of depth, and is not cold hearted. He quickly becomes the most loyal companion who asks so little of you, but is willing to give so much in return. If you let him, he becomes your equal who helps you make decisions and argues with you if you are about to do something you might regret. He's a man about things. As horrible as his childhood was, he doesn't want your pity, and is in fact proud of being a survivor. He is truly that diamond in the rough that fantasies are made of.
And of course, you know he will be WAAAAAY better in bed than Al. Give me a generous lover with experience and knowledge over a shy and shamed virgin any day.
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I notice many people are taking Zev at face value and assuming he is remorseless. This isn't so. He does admit that he has regrets. He admits to it when you are talking to him about sexuality, and he says something about regreting worse things than who he's slept with. I never can remember his exact dialogue. You'd have to ask ejoslin for that. LOL But yes... it becomes clear as you explore him that he actually does NOT like seeing others suffer and wants to be mercifull. He looks for ways to justify his killings, so it won't way is heavily on his consience. But when it comes right down to it, he was a SLAVE and HAD to be a good killer to survive... or else he'd be tortured, or slain, or both. I think he's paid his dues in life, so I don't see it as him being 'romorseless' for not wanting to cry and obsess over the lives he's taken. That would destroy him, and wouldn't change the past. He's far to smart to play the martyre role or harbor a victim complex just because the world wants to punish people like him, even though he's suffered enough, surely. True, he's not sorry to have a sence of satifaction in his killing, but it's something he's doing to survive... like a cat killing a mouse. It's only natural. I admire his honesty.
I forget what the other point was that I wanted to make. lol But yeah... you have to read between the lines with Zev, and also put yourself in his shoes before judging him. Antiva is nothing like the fairly peacefull and privilaged modern society the majority of posters here live in. Even Ferelden is a harsh place where people have to make dire, heartbreaking decisions to survive. That's what this game is all about. Ask yourself this... what if Alistair wasn't conscribed by Duncan? What if he became a full fledged Templar? He'd be hunting down mages and making them choose between living as slaves in a prison, or else ether being magicaly lobotimized or ran through with his sword. Maybe he's the type who would cry himself to sleep over it every night, but that doesn't realy make it any better than what Zev did for a living. Alistair just got lucky, and never had it as bad as Zev.
Modifié par EccentricSage, 13 mars 2010 - 07:23 .
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Posté 13 mars 2010 - 06:52
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Original182 wrote...
I thought Alistair's sarcasm was clever sarcasm. Zevran relies on shock and gross overtones in order to be funny. If you cannot be funny without offending someone, I feel you're not much of a comedian to begin with.
Look at Seinfield, I don't remember him requiring to be controversial in order to be as successful as he is right now.
I only found Seinfeld's TV show funny, and on the TV show him and his friends were not always PC, often insensitive towards others, might even be considered amoral. Really, HE wasn't even the funny character... it was the situations his friends get into and their screwed up personalities that were funny. Like Elane's quest to find her sponge-contraceptive... you know... because she liked to sleep around a lot.
His stand up on the other hand is squeeky clean and completely nausiating. 'The food on airline flights is aaawful! *nasaly whine* Whaaats up with thaaaaaaat?' UUUUUUGH. Awful.
