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[Brass_Buckles]

Hmm, as a female player (my avatar is the male mage I am currently playing), I like Alistair's personality better than Zevran's. I just can't get over the "I like to kill" thing with Zevran. That said, I am impressed by Zevran's remarkable loyalty once he decides he so much as likes you--nevermind how loyal he is once he is actually in love.



A lot of people think Alistair's shallow and sappy. Well, sappy, yes. But he's inexperienced in love, and he nearly took vows of celibacy; a relationship is bound to make him nervous. He behaves according to the cliche because that's what he knows about love (which is to say he really, really doesn't know). I'm convinced that he really means every word, even if he's awkward about it.



While Zevran tells you he likes to kill, his stories repeatedly make me think that he really doesn't. It's something that he tells himself. But, he has no remorse over it either way. The fact that of all the cast, he's the one who will remain by your side in the end is the thing that really impresses me about him. In the game I rather like him. Would I want a guy like him in the real world, though? No. He'd be an outright criminal, and I'm with one of the above posters: He's sleazy. It's not that he hits on you right off, but that he openly wants to get you in bed with him right off even though he just tried to kill you, and then during banter he's always trying to get in your party members' pants. No thanks. On top of that he's extremely arrogant. He's the kind of guy I wouldn't bother to get to know in the real world unless I absolutely had to (hit men are hardly my ideal boyfriends). For the game, however, he's great.

[Creature 1]

Freckles04 wrote...
Am I the only one who thought it was a really sweet sentiment? Honestly. Here's a world that's on the brink of destruction, and that rose is a reminder of all the beautiful and good things in it. It represents everything that you're fighting for, every rare and wonderful thing. In my mind, Alistair picks it up as a reminder to himself why he's fighting this fight, not with the plan in mind to give it to the PC later. Then, when his feelings develop for the PC, he gives it to her, and tells her it's not because she's delicate or helpless, but because she's the one bright and lovely thing in his life.
I mean, how can you NOT melt at that? 

It would be better if he gave it to you immediately.  He gave it to my character at Redcliffe and the first thing I thought was, "You picked that at Lothering?  What was that, two weeks ago?"  I'm afraid it wouldn't be in such good shape carried in a pocket or pack all that way.  Which kind of ruins the symbolism!  

[Freckles04]

Creature 1 wrote...

It would be better if he gave it to you immediately.  He gave it to my character at Redcliffe and the first thing I thought was, "You picked that at Lothering?  What was that, two weeks ago?"  I'm afraid it wouldn't be in such good shape carried in a pocket or pack all that way.  Which kind of ruins the symbolism!  

It's a magic Maker rose, of course. Like the one Leliana found after her vision.

[Cell1e]

andybuiadh wrote...

Cell1e wrote...

Ohh I find Sten strangely attractive too! Shame there is no romance there. Stens a manly man!

I get the impression from Sten (and from his "flirty" chat with Morrigan) that Sten would destroy most women.

OMG  You could be right! Scratch that thought about Sten! Oh and I just remembered he likes women to BE women and I guess that means at home in the kitchen..too old fashioned!

[Brass_Buckles]

Creature 1 wrote...

Freckles04 wrote...
Am I the only one who thought it was a really sweet sentiment? Honestly. Here's a world that's on the brink of destruction, and that rose is a reminder of all the beautiful and good things in it. It represents everything that you're fighting for, every rare and wonderful thing. In my mind, Alistair picks it up as a reminder to himself why he's fighting this fight, not with the plan in mind to give it to the PC later. Then, when his feelings develop for the PC, he gives it to her, and tells her it's not because she's delicate or helpless, but because she's the one bright and lovely thing in his life.
I mean, how can you NOT melt at that? 

It would be better if he gave it to you immediately.  He gave it to my character at Redcliffe and the first thing I thought was, "You picked that at Lothering?  What was that, two weeks ago?"  I'm afraid it wouldn't be in such good shape carried in a pocket or pack all that way.  Which kind of ruins the symbolism!  

Ah, but roses can be dried, gilded, or preserved in laquer.  I'm assuming that he has either dried it or pressed it somehow.  Even though dried roses aren't as pretty as fresh ones, they're still pretty and last a long time.

[frostajulie]

Zevran all the way. He is hands down funnier than Alistair, not afraid to be his own man, I am sure wrtten with the correct code he would happily lead if my PC was on her period.



His romance is so tender and endearing especially after all he has been through and he doesn't let race get between us and our love. Zev would walk through hell on fire to be with me. Alistair backs down the second society censures us. Zev thanks the maker we found each other. Al leaves me for booze and whining if I don't do it his way. Finally Alistair tells me to do stuff, I do it and he gets all nasty with my character. Meanwhile Zev tells me his opinions and when I follow his suggestions he is happy with me.



I always make Zev come to me and it is so rewarding when I win him.

[eschilde]

Zevran has "Fix Me" written on his forehead :| I like him, but I prefer Alistair, so Zev usually gets the short end of the romantic stick on my playthroughs. But yes, after a couple of playthroughs, the limited dialogue options can make Alistair's personality flat. I have yet to fully romance Zevran, slept with him and stuff, but never really gotten to know him, so he hasn't gotten boring yet.



Why is it only Alistair vs. Zevran? Ladies can romance Leliana, too.

[Brass_Buckles]

frostajulie wrote...

Zevran all the way. He is hands down funnier than Alistair, not afraid to be his own man, I am sure wrtten with the correct code he would happily lead if my PC was on her period.

His romance is so tender and endearing especially after all he has been through and he doesn't let race get between us and our love. Zev would walk through hell on fire to be with me. Alistair backs down the second society censures us. Zev thanks the maker we found each other. Al leaves me for booze and whining if I don't do it his way. Finally Alistair tells me to do stuff, I do it and he gets all nasty with my character. Meanwhile Zev tells me his opinions and when I follow his suggestions he is happy with me.

I always make Zev come to me and it is so rewarding when I win him.

Why precisely would someone else need to lead because your character is on her period?  That doesn't get in the way of doing your job in real life, or going to shop, or going to the movies, etc. (at least I don't let it interfere with my life!).  If you're referring to crankiness--well, all the better when you're fighting darkspawn, and you CAN control your temper regardless.  Leadership, particularly in a place like Ferelden,  is not conditional.  It'd take something a lot more dire than that time of the month to make you incapable of leadership--like say, massive injuries or unconsciousness or death.  The vast majority of us do not have sufficiently debilitating symptoms to use our periods as an excuse to foist responsibility on someone else.  In short, that's a rather sexist remark to be made from someone who claims to be female.

[ejoslin]

frostajulie wrote...

Zevran all the way. He is hands down funnier than Alistair, not afraid to be his own man, I am sure wrtten with the correct code he would happily lead if my PC was on her period.

His romance is so tender and endearing especially after all he has been through and he doesn't let race get between us and our love. Zev would walk through hell on fire to be with me. Alistair backs down the second society censures us. Zev thanks the maker we found each other. Al leaves me for booze and whining if I don't do it his way. Finally Alistair tells me to do stuff, I do it and he gets all nasty with my character. Meanwhile Zev tells me his opinions and when I follow his suggestions he is happy with me.

I always make Zev come to me and it is so rewarding when I win him.

PC: Do you still want to die?
Zev: No.  What I want is to begin again.

Just . . .  Yes, you and I agree about the Zev romance 100%.  I keep meaning to have another Alistair until the end romance but there's something that touches me, seriously, deep inside about the Zev romance.  Alistair, without a lot of work and metagaming, will break your heart and let you down.  

The most heart wrenching ending to me was when my PC sacrificed herself when romancing Zevran.  Ali who still loved her was sad, but Zevran, all the best of him died with her.

[ejoslin]

eschilde wrote...

Zevran has "Fix Me" written on his forehead :| I like him, but I prefer Alistair, so Zev usually gets the short end of the romantic stick on my playthroughs. But yes, after a couple of playthroughs, the limited dialogue options can make Alistair's personality flat. I have yet to fully romance Zevran, slept with him and stuff, but never really gotten to know him, so he hasn't gotten boring yet.

Why is it only Alistair vs. Zevran? Ladies can romance Leliana, too.

The funny thing is Alistair is the one who needs fixing.  Zevran is so much stronger than Alistair you can't even begin to compare them.  Zevran does become a better man, but it's not because of anything the PC says -- that's all from him.  Alistair, on the other hand, without the strength of someone behind him, even AFTER the PC fixes him, goes to pieces.

But Alistair has the voice, for sure.  And whose heart wouldn't melt when he says, "Maker's breath you're beautiful.  I am a lucky man."  <3 But Zev is still the one for me!

Heh, my husband has let me know I've reached a new level of dorkiness over my involvement in this game!

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 décembre 2009 - 08:37 .

[Creature 1]

eschilde wrote...
Zevran has "Fix Me" written on his forehead

I don't think he's all that broken.  There's the minor detail of not thinking it a big deal to kill people, but otherwise he seems remarkably well-adjusted considering his upbringing.  He's always trying to look on the bright side, probably because he knows life can be very brief and there are others who have had it much worse.  I think he'd agree completely with Andrew Marvell's poem "To His Coy Mistress": 

Now let us sport us while we may;
And now, like am'rous birds of prey,
Rather at once our time devour,
Than languish in his slow-chapp'd power.
Let us roll all our strength, and all
Our sweetness, up into one ball;
And tear our pleasures with rough strife
Thorough the iron gates of life.
Thus, though we cannot make our sun
Stand still, yet we will make him run.

He does have some emotional problems but he works through those without much input from the PC.  Probably part of the reason he's so promiscuous is he lives by the motto "live fast, die young".  Maybe once he's away from the Crows and the Blight and in a long-term relationship he'll be able to relax a bit. 

[trueKieran]

JabberJaww wrote...

This thread has potential

Just sitting back and seeing where it leads

Yeah, me too. I'm not female and so far none of my chars have romanced any of them, so I don't know their "romance lines", but from what I've seen I would have said I put my money on Zevran, if I had seen this thread 3 hours ago.

[Vernejet]

Zevran.



...Although I do wish that Oghren had been an option, because a romance with him would have been comedy gold.

[Mahumia]

Hmm, I think Alistair is way more cute then Zevhran. He is less confident and seeks both tenderness and companionship, I think. Zevhran seems too flirty and overconfident at first glance, which wouldn't make me fall for him. True, in the end he turns out to be very sweet and loyal if you know him better...



Guess I'd pick Alistair anyway...



And to be honest: both are hawt! But I'd rather have other options as well, like Ser Gilmore/Bann Teagen... and where are the dwarfs?!

[sesheta255]

It just has to be Alistair, its definitely the voice. I can't believe how emotional I felt in my first playthrough when I made Alistair king & he promptly turned around & dumped my character, thank god for reloads. I chose Zev over Alistair in my 4th or 5th playthrough & felt so guilty that I had to go way back & reload, lol. I like Zev, but I just find him a bit slimy.

[PranaFerox]

eschilde wrote...

Zevran has "Fix Me" written on his forehead :| 

Alistair seems like the one with "fix me" all over him to me. Zevran knows what he wants. 

Anyway, I'll take adventurous/racy/free love over sweet/romantic/monogamous any day. Oh, and one more tick in the Zevran column: I can't resist a bi boy. Agreed also on the "where's Leliana?". On the same note, can Morrigan be romanced by girls? I'm too lazy to look it up, but that would be a fun one.

Also, in terms of battle, I've found Zevran much more useful. I think I am better at managing rogues, though. I made some mistakes  in Alistair's character building (Does anyone else find the "Weapon and Shield" talents to be infuriatingly weak?), I will have to plan him out better this time.

I'm constantly thinking "next playthrough I'll do this instead!" There are just too many options.

[Creature 1]

PranaFerox wrote...
On the same note, can Morrigan be romanced by girls? I'm too lazy to look it up, but that would be a fun one.

No, from her point of view females have the drawback of not producing sperm.

Also, in terms of battle, I've found Zevran much more useful. I think I am better at managing rogues, though. I made some mistakes  in Alistair's character building (Does anyone else find the "Weapon and Shield" talents to be infuriatingly weak?), I will have to plan him out better this time.

Zevran will do a lot more damage.  Alistair is not meant to do damage, he's meant to draw attacks without dying.  I find Sten and Oghren die a lot faster than Alistair when I bring them along.  Whenever I have a heavy damage fight coming I bring Alistair. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

There are no "ors" here. I love both of em equally. Who actually makes it to "love" status and who ends up as just a friend depends solely on what I am roleplaying. But I cannot say that I prefer one romance over another, as both have the promise of getting jiggy and falling in love with two completely loveable specimens of pixilated manhood.



Don't understand the Alistair hate. I don't find him whiny, just rather shattered and uncertain about personal losses, as well as upset about being used by others with no real regard for what he wants or feels strongly about. Yeah, he cries alot about Duncan. So what? It means he actually has these pesky little things called strong feelings about something important to him, and isn't going to just drop em and be a construct simply because someone is inconvienced or annoyed about it. And he's charmling corny, awkward, and nervous. And his romantic overtures possess an very youthful shyness that is actually refreshing from the boring and repetitive "tough guy/strong man" crap.



I never understood why eople resent Zevran, either. I don't get the "he's girly" complaints. What's girly about him? Because he swings both ways? Gay or bi does not equal "effemante", and I know quite a few gay/bi guys who would likely go all Shale on your ass if you suggested as much. I don't find him creepy, far from it. In fact. his rather nonchalant attitude towards his past jobs is quite amusing. And I also like the fact that he doesn't regret being an assasissin, either. Far from it, he is actually rather happy to be good at what he does. He only regrets a couple things he did as an assassin. But none of this "I'm a bad boy, horrible past, I hate myself/feel guilt for who I am" redemption crap. He doesn't want to be redeemed from his life as an assassin, only find peace and atonement for a particular incident that wounded him deeply. And of course, his kinky, sexually ambiguous nature just makes him even more irresistable.

[MatronAdena]

ergh.. I've kept Zavren at the side once...I've not yet had a fling with allister ( well HE may think there is something, ) but he bothers me. So the honest, I've pretty much remained loyal to Liliana. Thats just the kinda gal I am * lol* so in short, I'm not to fond of either of the male options, but Lil Z is the better of the two imho

[Never]

Alistair. I liked Zev as well, but as far as romancing I have to pick Alistair.

[Finiffa]

Im an Alistair girl all the way so far. Everytime I decide I WON'T romance him that playthrough I still fall for that rose ....*swoon*



But I will do my next playthrough as an elven girl with a hatred for humans and go for Zevran, to see where that leads. I finally have a mod that gives him much better looks, his original looks creep me out....

[frostajulie]

Brass_Buckles wrote...


Why precisely would someone else need to lead because your character is on her period? 

Well it was half said in jest, Alistair afterall needs me to do all the leading while I can see how Zev would let me share the burden.  However, the other half was serious, mainly because When I rp my character takes on a lot of my traits.  When I am on the rag I like to be alone, I snap and hurt peoples feelings and I don't mean to.  I don't know about you but have you noticed how much micromanaging goes on in this game.  I couldn't take it if I had to do that for real I'd be all like "You got all these talents and skills and you F*** want me to hold your hand and walk you through every fight?! swing your sword, cast your spells, stab somebody dammit! Leave me ALONE!"

As for sexist, well I don't really give a flying crap about political correctness, it is what it is.

[bethanyw]

I'd take em both. Alistair is sweet and a stand up guy to the end, Zev is super freindly and probably tons of fun in the sack...remember kids always use protection