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[Antikristine]

Brass_Buckles wrote...

I disagree.  Alistair is a bit childish, but he's still a man.  He is young and inexperienced with the world (and with being a man), but he proves time and again that he's good-hearted (just look at what gives you approval points with him) and, if you don't opt to spare Loghain, especially if he's hardened, he steps up to the plate as king or Grey Warden.  I think I said it before: he's afraid of *being* in love, while Zevran is afraid of *falling* in love.  Alistair is best while he is falling in love, and Zevran is best when he's actually in love.  This explains why Alistair is happy when you end it--'cause he's really not sure where to go from there, it's probably a relief--though I've personally never had him gain relationship points for ending a relationship with him.  With Zevran, you have to be playing a certain type of character to consider being with him and to stick it out long enough for him to fall in love, but he's surprisingly loyal even if you don't flirt with him; all you have to do is get him to like you and he'll follow you around like War Dog.

I approve of what I've highlighted A LOT. I've been thinking this myself, that Alistair's romance is sweetest during the initial courting period, and once it gets to +100 Love, it gets boring. With Zevran it's the exact opposite. It feels that the romance is not serious until he gets to +100 Love  - at which point the romance seems to develop into the something more serious than you could ever imagine that Zevran would let himself into.

I think this knowledge is what makes me vote for Zevran. As I also said, in real life I would never go for someone who appears as sleazy as Zevran, but who knows? Maybe I miss out on something here

Bottom line is, although I've situated myself in the Zevran camp, I really like Alistair too. He is a marvellous character which has really interesting possibilities for development, all of which are in character and which make Alistair seem like someone we could meet in our own lives.

[Sialater]

Call me unromantic, but I don't require a man to give up everything for me. It makes me uncomfortable. Bhelen remade Dwarven society so that he could be with his love. He didn't remake it because it was dying. Right result, wrong motivation.



The non-human/mage PC as queen would further destabilize a country that had gone through a Blight and a civil war at the same time. I think one more social change would be the straw that would break the camel's back. Perhaps Alistair, hardened or unhardened, can see that. The Dwarves aren't quite in as bad a shape as Ferelden. From everything I've seen in Orzammar, the place was cesspool BEFORE the instability of the succession.



Ferelden had fought off the Orlesians only one generation before. Then, before they've fully cemented their own stability, a Blight comes along, a regicide occurs, and a civil war breaks out. I think it's very astute for Alistair to admit he can't handle making you a target of further unrest among the Bannorn (because that's exactly what would happen) and the common citizens of Ferelden. And then there's the whole heir thing, leading to further instability -- but that's another thread.



I like Zevran, I do, but I think accusing one character of inconstancy and another of slavish devotion is a bit much. (Because yes, the way Zevran's affection is described seems to me to be rather slavish.) From what I've seen, he also never argues with you. I kinda prefer to be argued with.

[MorningBird]

ejoslin wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

This is pretty much how I feel as well.

I think Alistair makes for a good friend to the PC, but Zevran's romance was a better match for my city elf.  However, if I could somehow manage an all rogue threesome with Lilianna I would be forever happy.

I managed to get her to 'consider' the idea last I talked to her.  Hopefully she's not just giving me false hopes.

Zevran is the best match for anyone EXCEPT common dwarf.  Common dwarf, I have to admit, would most likely be delighted as Alistair's mistress.  Every time I've ended up being able to offer Lel that threesome, Zevran gets all upset and makes my PC break up with her.  I suppose if you get Lel hardened and to 100 love first so you can sleep with her, THEN get Zev when he's more casual, you have a better chance, though you may have to settle for a foursome in that circumstance.

And yes, Alistair may be willing to die for you when push comes to shove, but Zevran, no matter what, wants to live for you.  Oh, ladies, BEST "royal" ending is if you never romance Alistair at all and become his queen and advisor (before running off to rebuild the gray wardens with Zevran of course and work on making that Cousland/assassin heir to the throne).  You're still the princess-consort, but at least you're referred to as "savior and ruler" and Ali lets you call all the shots. 

lol, actually, I romanced Zevran first, and then hardened Lilianna.  This initiated a conversation in camp, with Lilianna commenting on my romance, and I managed to get her to open up about her... 'attraction' to the assassin.

By the end of the conversation, she confessed that he was 'quite a catch', and I replied saying, 'he probably wouldn't object to her joining in some time.'

Lilianna's response was something along the lines of, "What?  Really?  Hmm...  I'll have to consider that.  An offer like that only comes up so often."

I'm probably misquoting because my memory is a little fuzzy, but yeah.  I'm trying to get this to work!

Oddly enough, Lilianna's dialog for the 'knocking boots' companion convo with Zevran also changed.  Instead of telling him off, she once again agreed to consider it.

[Apocalizz]

I have a bit of a fetish for voices, and Alistair definately has the voice that makes you melt of your chair!

[Deya Cysvar]

Zevran all the way. Alistair is a whiny boy, insecure, immature, childish. He can be my friend and that's all. Zev on the other hand, is a man. He is an interesting character, has a lot of depth, funny and loyal. If he loves you, he stays with you till the end. I'm glad that i have a happy ending with him.

[ejoslin]

But doesn't he force you to choose next time you talk to him? *grin* I have found talking to Leliana after doing her personal quest just gets me into all sorts of trouble with either Alistair or Zevran.

[MorningBird]

ejoslin wrote...

But doesn't he force you to choose next time you talk to him? *grin* I have found talking to Leliana after doing her personal quest just gets me into all sorts of trouble with either Alistair or Zevran.

Nope!  Zevran didn't say a THING!   Which leads me to believe he doesn't much mind the idea. Heck, he suggested it first, I just happened to be listening in at the time...

I think the key here is that Lilianna only admitted that she enjoyed watching Zevran, not my PC.  If she shows no interest in the PC, then Zevran has no reason to become jealous.  If anything, I'm the one who should be jealous!  Zevran was being eye-stalked by a pretty red-head, after all.

[BlastedLands]

MorningBird wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

But doesn't he force you to choose next time you talk to him? *grin* I have found talking to Leliana after doing her personal quest just gets me into all sorts of trouble with either Alistair or Zevran.

Nope!  Zevran didn't say a THING!   Which leads me to believe he doesn't much mind the idea. Heck, he suggested it first, I just happened to be listening in at the time...

I think the key here is that Lilianna only admitted that she enjoyed watching Zevran, not my PC.  If she shows no interest in the PC, then Zevran has no reason to become jealous.  If anything, I'm the one who should be jealous!  Zevran was being eye-stalked by a pretty red-head, after all.

hrhr.... i feel like smacking her when she talks about him. then again, i feel like smacking her most of the time:whistle:

[Taittinger]

I never even found Leliana in my first game.



THis time around I was like "oh hey, a bar".

[Mesecina]

Zev definitely. I mean I like Alistair a lot but let's face it - he is a whiny egocentric and rather immature boy while Zev is much more complicated but also much more interested in earning PC's approval. trust, friendship and finally love.

Let's face it did Alistair ever want to know anything about PC other than the color of her unmentionables, did he ever ask about her upbringing, goals... No with him it's all about himself and greatly idolised institution of Grey Wardens.



True Zevran doesn't disagree with the PC a lot (well actually he does: Harrowmont, Anvil, Dalish vs werewolves, Tevinter Slaver's offer) but maybe it's because, guess what: he's too happy to be alive to b**** behind every corner like some *cough* and there's also the matter of certain oath and the fact his morals are defintely a lot more "flexible" which is kinda normal.



Errr yes so Zev all the way (once again I do like Alistair and my noble PC would totally smack me for this blasphemy)

[MorningBird]

Mesecina wrote...

Zev definitely. I mean I like Alistair a lot but let's face it - he is a whiny egocentric and rather immature boy while Zev is much more complicated but also much more interested in earning PC's approval. trust, friendship and finally love.
Let's face it did Alistair ever want to know anything about PC other than the color of her unmentionables, did he ever ask about her upbringing, goals... No with him it's all about himself and greatly idolised institution of Grey Wardens.

True Zevran doesn't disagree with the PC a lot (well actually he does: Harrowmont, Anvil, Dalish vs werewolves, Tevinter Slaver's offer) but maybe it's because, guess what: he's too happy to be alive to b**** behind every corner like some *cough* and there's also the matter of certain oath and the fact his morals are defintely a lot more "flexible" which is kinda normal.

Errr yes so Zev all the way (once again I do like Alistair and my noble PC would totally smack me for this blasphemy)

Oh jeez, I LOVED taking Zevran with me on the Tevinter Slavers quest.  He always made such a joke about being sold to the Crows when he was seven that for a good portion of the game I accepted his feelings regarding the issue at face value.  I mean, you're given hints that this part of his past bothers him more than he let's on, but he's so guarded!

It was nice--and a little surprising--to hear him display his bitterness regarding slavery so openly in the Alienage.

'Course, I wouldn't have accepted the Slaver's offer anyway (kill my PC's father for one constitution point?  Um... no) but it was nice to have someone so in my corner during that moment!

[Bowie Hawkins]

Freckles04 wrote...

enderandrew wrote...

If you give a rose to a woman, you're saying you're cliche and you want to treat her like every other woman on the planet.

Am I the only one who thought it was a really sweet sentiment? Honestly. Here's a world that's on the brink of destruction, and that rose is a reminder of all the beautiful and good things in it. It represents everything that you're fighting for, every rare and wonderful thing. In my mind, Alistair picks it up as a reminder to himself why he's fighting this fight, not with the plan in mind to give it to the PC later. Then, when his feelings develop for the PC, he gives it to her, and tells her it's not because she's delicate or helpless, but because she's the one bright and lovely thing in his life.

I mean, how can you NOT melt at that? 

Motto!

I got rid of Zevran the instant that I was done taking all his equipment to sell in order to raise money to buy the staff the Tower quartermaster had for sale - he was just too smarmy and oily for me to consider him as a serious romantic prospect. Or anything other than a knife aimed between my ribs when my back was turned, for that matter.

When Alistair said the rose made him think of my elven mage, she thought at first that he was trying to accuse her of being too delicate to get by on her own, but once he explained what he really thought, total meltage.

But then he went and pitched his jealous fit about her and Leliana, and that was it for the two of them. Hmph. I was really hoping that there was some what for her to wind up with both of the companions she cared about, but no such luck.

[ejoslin]

Feeling thorny, Alistair? *grin* I'm always surprised at the good reactions I get from my dialog choices.

Zev . . . your next play through you should at least give the guy a chance. He's good for entertainment if nothing else! Especially if you have him and Wynne or Alistair in your party. In fact . . . he tries to help you and Ali out as he thinks your nights may be ending too soon! Only hint in the game that Ali may have some issues there . . . OR that Zev has different standards.

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2009 - 10:27 .

[Sylph_14]

MorningBird wrote...

Oh jeez, I LOVED taking Zevran with me on the Tevinter Slavers quest.  He always made such a joke about being sold to the Crows when he was seven that for a good portion of the game I accepted his feelings regarding the issue at face value.  I mean, you're given hints that this part of his past bothers him more than he let's on, but he's so guarded!

It was nice--and a little surprising--to hear him display his bitterness regarding slavery so openly in the Alienage.

'Course, I wouldn't have accepted the Slaver's offer anyway (kill my PC's father for one constitution point?  Um... no) but it was nice to have someone so in my corner during that moment!

I know, it's pretty clear that situation hit a nerve with him. I also loved when Shianni mentions the wedding (also playing a city elf here) and he kind of half-teases my char about it >_>  I kind of wish the game did a little more with it, cause it would have some pretty awesome humor and/or drama potential.

[Sly Stilla]

Taleroth wrote...
This is the internet. You can't prove I'm not female.

Partially quote Tale, but anyways.. Zevran. KINKY MUCH?

[ejoslin]

Alistair romanced or dumped also adds to the conversation. But Zev romanced did not look very happy when he learned about the wedding.



I'd swear if I were just learning about DAO I'd run away thinking it was a dating sim after reading MY posts.

[MorningBird]

Sylph_14 wrote...

I know, it's pretty clear that situation hit a nerve with him. I also loved when Shianni mentions the wedding (also playing a city elf here) and he kind of half-teases my char about it >_>  I kind of wish the game did a little more with it, cause it would have some pretty awesome humor and/or drama potential.

Oh, I know what you mean!  I loved the dialog options for that scene too!  You get to say something about there being no cake... hmm, I think I see a running gag in this game.

Do any of the other romance options say anything if you bring them along for this scene?

EDIT: Aaaand ejoslin answered my above question.

Modifié par MorningBird, 24 décembre 2009 - 10:38 .

[ejoslin]

They're not amused in the conversation at ALL, though if you make light of it, Zev does as well. I thought it was really sad, actually.  Ali dumped does not say anything if Zev's not in the party, but if Ali is romanced, he says a little more.  I have broken up more times with Ali testing out things like this . . . I feel almost heartless!

Modifié par ejoslin, 24 décembre 2009 - 10:46 .

[Sylph_14]

ejoslin wrote...

Alistair romanced or dumped also adds to the conversation. But Zev romanced did not look very happy when he learned about the wedding.

I'd swear if I were just learning about DAO I'd run away thinking it was a dating sim after reading MY posts.

Lol! I mostly went along with the "Wasn't my idea and it sucked anyways" choices >.> His response was something along the lines of how at least my char must've looked stunning.

Alistair kind of annoyed me with the "I didn't know you were betrothed." line, since it was something I mentioned waaaaay back when he asks if the player ever lost anyone. >_>

[MorningBird]

ejoslin wrote...

They're not amused in the conversation at ALL, though if you make light of it, Zev does as well. I thought it was really sad, actually.

Hmm... I think I'm going to have to replay this scene, my memory of it is shaky at best.  Though from what I DO remember, I agree with you completely.  Zev's voice when questioning my PC about the wedding gave me the impression he was trying to say, "Well, where does this put me?"

Honestly, my elf never wanted an arranged marriage.  They even considered making a run for it (srsly, Soris, we totally could have gotten away with it!) Even during the rescue they were more concerned about Shianni than anyone else in the wedding party.

Thus, it was quite easy for them to blow the whole affair off when questioned about it.  I think that helped, to a certain degree.

Hmm... damn, ejoslin, you're really making me wish I had a save file around this portion of the game!

[ejoslin]

The absolute saddest response is if you tell Zev that he died. And yes, a romanced Alistair is both annoyed and shocked. I remember telling Teagan in front of Alistair that I had a fiance that was killed by a human. Hmmmm, I have got to romance Zevran and have that conversation in front of him, but that will mean a new game as a city elf. My guess is there's no conversation regarding it as there isn't when Alistair is there. But I have to know now!

[Sylph_14]

I have one ^.^ I just checked. Although my game seems glitchy, and needs Alistair in the party to say a line, otherwise the camera goes funny for a few seconds and then the conversation goes on as if Alistair was there and had asked what happened. If you answer "He died" Zevran looks all sad and says he doesn't know what to say to that.

[Estelindis]

Alistair. The Warden's journey is with him from the start - they can share so much - and it really makes them feel like equals to me (in spite of Alistair's aversion to leading!). His sense of humour is wonderful as well. He gets so many of the best lines! And the question of what he really wants in life, and whether he has to go against his duty (or not) to get it, really captivates me. :-)



That said, I really liked the Zevran romance too. Zev is so different to Alistair, yet also very endearing in his way. Seeing how it almost frightens him to find that he actually cares for someone is quite the striking experience. I felt very sorry when I had to choose between him and Alistair. Must make Zev happy on some other playthrough!

[MorningBird]

*sigh* So many things to look into, and me without an xbox.
I'm spending Christmas with my folks, you see, and had to leave all of the electronics back home.  Not that I mind spending time with my family, or anything.

... Really, I don't.  Scout's honor and all that.

Modifié par MorningBird, 24 décembre 2009 - 11:11 .

[Celuwen]

I've become rather fond of Zev, and find myself agreeing with him far too much. Then Alistair will do something adorkable again and I'll change my mind again. I also like a bit of Leli. I had a mage who was into all three, but that backfired spectacularly, who'd have thought