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[Asante81]

*laugh*

What's your problem with Nan? She's just a poor old woman who's being bothered by your dog all the time!

[Sialater]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

I do miss being able to attack anyone and everyone. I wonder why games don't do that any more. Especially Baldur's Gate style where you'd only find out you were screwed when you tried to complete a quest and realised you'd left the guy you needed in a puddle of his own blood a few days back

...and thus you answered your own question.

Also, Hespith. Better yet, have an option to let Oghren do it if he's with you.

Isn't that more euthanasia than hatred, though?

[ResoluteOne]

Anora

She is either a power hungry backstabber or else a more naive incompetent then Alistair ever could be.  There is no third possibility.  The lipservice that she is some kind of able administrator is not supported by any of the plot.  That the story forces you to work with her is annoying.

[Asante81]

Anora is the grey warden amongst nobles. Everything that's necessary to accomplish her goal.

Yes, I vote on being able to execute her!

[Sialater]

That and she screws up your happy ending if you ended up with Alistair as either Queen or Chancellor.

[Asante81]

I still think they "forgot" the proper ending for her execution or exile if you make Al king... There's no reason at all to keep her alive or around. It's nothing but a huge danger. They wouldn't want another civil war starting right after the blight.

And I'm rather sure Anora's antipathy of Orlesians isn't big enough to NOT call them for help to get back her throne. She DOES have an orlesian handmaiden... I still bet that Erlina is a spy or something like that...

Do we already have Erlina on the list of people we want to kill? She annoys me! And I bet she's actually Anora's lover. Does anyone else think Anora's actually lesbian? It's a bit suspicious that she never marries if you don't let her marry Alistair or male noble PC. That much to being a good ruler... a good ruler would know of the importance of an heir. Alistair does.

[Tamyn]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Also Tamyn your wrong, the woman giving the crown at the end is the Grand Revered Mother, not the Revered Mother of Lothering. Lothering one is younger for one thing. 
 

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Modifié par Tamyn, 28 décembre 2009 - 06:20 .

[AntiChri5]

OLD TEGRIN!!!!!

[Ski Mask Wei]

Anora. There's no really good reason while she should be unkillable especially if you've hardened Alister. I swear her and Morrigan must be designed after the developer's wives or something and they don't have the cojones to pull a Slim Shady.

Modifié par Ski Mask Wei, 28 décembre 2009 - 05:40 .

[Asante81]

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Anora. There's no really good reason while she should be unkillable especially if you've hardened Alister. I swear her and Morrigan be must designed after the developer's wives or something and they don't have the cojones to pull a Slim Shady.

The reason Anora doesn't get executed after the landsmeet is a .... hmm.... metagaming decision
Killing Anora after the landsmeet, before the final battle leaves the option open of Ferelden WITHOUT king/queen. She's plan B for the case of Alistair sacrificing himself.
What I don't get is why she doesn't get executed in the epilogue...

[Ski Mask Wei]

Asante81 wrote...

Ski Mask Wei wrote...

Anora. There's no really good reason while she should be unkillable especially if you've hardened Alister. I swear her and Morrigan be must designed after the developer's wives or something and they don't have the cojones to pull a Slim Shady.

The reason Anora doesn't get executed after the landsmeet is a .... hmm.... metagaming decision
Killing Anora after the landsmeet, before the final battle leaves the option open of Ferelden WITHOUT king/queen. She's plan B for the case of Alistair sacrificing himself.
What I don't get is why she doesn't get executed in the epilogue...

That could've been another ending paragraph.  You end the blight but Ferelden is thrown into politcal turmoil because Alister dies.  Not a happy ending but so what?  There was always a good chance of continued politcal unrest anyway after the blight was handled why not make it a possible ending?  It's not like the game had elaborate CG endings.  Add a few new dialogue lines, write a couple more paragraphs, and voila...another ending.

Modifié par Ski Mask Wei, 28 décembre 2009 - 05:43 .

[nobloodyname]

I have never hated - yes, hated - anyone in a game before. No game has ever had the emotional hold over me to push me to that state.



Until, that is, two nights ago when Anora double-crossed me. I was utterly beside myself that I couldn't get my party's pound of flesh by sending her to execution.



I was digusted and mortified. Even thinking about it now... I have so much hatred for the despicable ****.



Fair play to Bioware for making me feel that way.

[Sabriana]

I wanted to be able to kill Anora at Landsmeet. She betrayed my PC not once, but twice to get what she wants. Besides, her relationship with Daddy is off-putting to me.



So what if she and Alistair are unable to lead Ferelden, neither is a good choice. That's not metagaming, it is entirely feasible to think that they can't possibly be the only candidates for the throne. What about other nobles? Really, most other nobles are of pure blood, while Alistair is a half-commoner, and Anora is a full commoner.



I have my doubts about Anora producing a heiress/heir anyway. She was married to Cailan for 5 years and no heir? That alone would put the whole royal house in jeopardy, the dissent, displeasure, and intrigue amongst the nobles would run rampant just because of that.



Maybe Cailan shot blanks, but surely Anora and he could've managed to come up with a solution. A pregnant queen/heir/ess mother is a powerful queen, and who's to question who the actual father is?

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I'd like to kill every Chantry priest I've come across, except the old lady in front of the denerim Chantry who kept screwing up the chant with ham and bacon.



I also want to kill that stuck up noble ****-daughter in the Denerim market, the snooty little princess out spending her daddy's money. That would be ever so satisfying.

[Wrathra]

Goldana. I dread that encounter every time it comes up.

[TheDauntless]

I would've liked to kill Isolde just to cut short her act. Or at least get her to kill herself for the blood ritual without having to take a hit to Alistair's approval. Hmm, can I do that if he's hardened? Either way if I play through again Isolde dies. She's a hateful, bigoted and worthless stereotype...she whines and simpers, and she's a fool who is spoiled, useless, and pathetic. She's so out of her league. And selfish on top of it all. Isolde was not trying to protect her child. She was trying to rear a potential mage-king for herself. That was the idea of a son she had lost control of and she was forlorn over losing her plan. Alistair should've wanted revenge. I gave it to him. The demon inhabiting her kid bought me off with knowledge of blood magic, so even if Isolde's disgusting flesh and blood arises as a threat someday to Alistair's crown, at least Isolde would not be a beneficiary of its actions.

Eamon also needs to be killed. His taste in women clearly explains his patriarchal assessment of Anora. Unlike most people I have yet to trigger anything from Anora which would give me cause to feel betrayed by her. But I was repelled by Eamon's sexist attitude since he dismissed her out of hand. Apparently Eamon never met that husband-king of hers after he supposedly grew up. My chat with Anora in her guestroom revealed a keen political mind and certainly an opportunist(her father's teachings?) but also someone who embraced her responsibility to her country. Eamon schemes for himself, not for Alistair. His rantings about preserving the bloodline disgusted me since he overstepped his influence by trying to claim it all or nothing in the name of his nephew, and by extension his own family. Alistair's choice in that matter should've been personal, not something to be overriden by traditions and especially not by an uncle who had banished him before at the behest of the insidious aunt.

Goldana should die, of course. And the spoiled daddy's girl in the market. Hopefully the invasion did not spare them.

Every single elf npc except my own and Mithra. All the others were badly-voiced, long-winded, emo, and fugly. I appreciated Tim Russ' dramatic contribution as Zathrian, though.

Modifié par TheDauntless, 30 décembre 2009 - 08:35 .

[Bratinov]

Greagoir, the Templars and all other self righteous chantry scum. Demanding money for a worthless blessing???!! (not Leliana she could be converted).

the Maker - just because im tired of hering Maker this Maker that... Morrigan is rigth about him.

Anora - most hated character ever... she and Alistair deserve each other.

Duncan- why can't I stab his murderous face for forcing me to drink and killing a noble knight... if i absolutely have to be a warden i would prefer to do it by my own choice

My Mage is not a happy bunny.

Modifié par Bratinov, 30 décembre 2009 - 09:46 .

[Sabriana]

I don't know about Goldanna. She has a point in her laments. Driven away after her mom dies giving birth, being lied to, and then put out like so much trash with a single coin to manage her life. She's got 5 mouths to feed, lives in a dump, and has to clean other people's dirty laundry for a living.

In struts Alistair with companions, all decked out in armor, looking prosperous, and she should just forgive everything on the spot? That's a hard pill to swallow for the woman. In my opinion, she should've been looked after. Even if only covertly, but all in all, she and her family are related to Alistair, the bastard prince. She does her best to feed her family and keep them alive. Her wanting to better their situation is not all that deplorable.

I mean, what did he expect? That she'll instantaneously welcome him? It was always far more likely that she'd lash out.

I do agree on the templars though. I even abhor self-righteous, wisdomless, and pompous clerics in real life.

[Bratinov]

sorry browser trouble

Modifié par Bratinov, 30 décembre 2009 - 09:43 .

[BloodRaith]

Isolde...

TeeGAHN!!

I need your help TeeGAHN!! TeeGAHN TeeGAHN!!!

[AndreaDraco]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I'd like to kill every Chantry priest I've come across, except the old lady in front of the denerim Chantry who kept screwing up the chant with ham and bacon.

Agree, but I also add the Archaelogist Priestess, whom I found quite likeable.

I also want to kill that stuck up noble ****-daughter in the Denerim market, the snooty little princess out spending her daddy's money. That would be ever so satisfying.

Agreed!

[Rivie]

I don't usually hate  a character enough to want them dead. Smacked around, yes, but killed? No.

At most most of the characters are just rude to me (and whatever, I get over that) or if they double-cross me... well.. what can I say, I'm an idiot, I easily forgive. Well, except for Loghain. I want his head on a pike. That's less for personal hatred than for the extremely large scale of what he did wrong.  Howe, in the human noble origin, got the axe too, obviously. Again, what he did was barbaric. It felt fitting.  Same with the arl's son and the guards in the city elf origin. Those were really the only ones I got "kill kill kill" at and the game let me kill them, so.. it's all good.

I've always been surprised (and a bit amused) at how bloodthirsty the average RPG player is. Or maybe it's just game players in general. NPC looks at you the wrong way, off with their heads! It's funny.  I'll be careful what I say if/when I visit your house, though.

Modifié par Rivie, 30 décembre 2009 - 05:02 .

[skotie]

That annoying guy who keeps screaming "WERE ALL GONNA DIE!" in Lothering, I've tried to get him to fight me several times but he just keep saying he is shamed and runs off crying. God I hate that guy.



Also that nasty spiteful **** in the elven alienage who has the nerve to talk crap to your face about how you got a decent bride/groom on your wedding day of all things.

[bas273]

I wish you could kill Howe at the beginning of the Human Noble Origin and Loghain and Uldred during your meeting with King Cailan. That would make the game a lot easier ^^.