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[Strict31]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

I spent actual money on packs...it's how I got my MQE, MQI, and a few other character cards I really wanted. Go ahead, call me an idiot. I'm a happy idiot.

I got those characters also, with in-game credits. I'm not saying this makes you an idiot because you spent money to get them when you could have spent nothing. I'm just saying, I've got more money left over for beer and hookers.

[billy the squid]

Strict31 wrote...

 I think it's a bad business model.

Sure, people can spend their own money however they goddamn feel like it. Sure. But every time somebody drops actual money on this crap shoot, it tells BW/EA that maybe, just maybe there's something to this sh*tty method of making money. Bioware is testing this method out, and we are the test sample.

So...I mean, if you wanted to use your money to buy a diseased hooker from space, that's all on you. But this is gonna inform BW's decisions for microtransaction models going forward. Whether it's this game, or new games down the line. Which means, however you spend your money (or don't) has an impact beyond you.

Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter. But I just don't think a company should be rewarded for giving the customer nothing for something. Because a random chance to get an item you want (or an item you don't want or even need) is not the same as getting the item you want.

It's called gambling. As far as business models go it's not a bad one.

[smilinpig]

 Bioware EA love it when you throw away real cash at the 'store'.
Ammo ammo ammo ammo ammo..B$ is all I get. tired of it. they said they were 'LISTENING' to the community when they dropped character tyraining B$ but they just replaced it with more useless B$.

[AkuIaTubShark]

Spent about a total of 80$ on this game so far, just on PSP's, So yeah, it's my money and we can spend it how we want, so don't complain about it and bear with it.

[SilentCO1]

They're the reason we get free DLC. I think they're more awesome than idiots.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I want free DLC without spending money. People no spending money = no free DLC.

Conclusion: Other people should indeed spend money on the store.

[Strict31]

billy the squid wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

 I think it's a bad business model.

Sure, people can spend their own money however they goddamn feel like it. Sure. But every time somebody drops actual money on this crap shoot, it tells BW/EA that maybe, just maybe there's something to this sh*tty method of making money. Bioware is testing this method out, and we are the test sample.

So...I mean, if you wanted to use your money to buy a diseased hooker from space, that's all on you. But this is gonna inform BW's decisions for microtransaction models going forward. Whether it's this game, or new games down the line. Which means, however you spend your money (or don't) has an impact beyond you.

Of course, that's just my opinion on the matter. But I just don't think a company should be rewarded for giving the customer nothing for something. Because a random chance to get an item you want (or an item you don't want or even need) is not the same as getting the item you want.

It's called gambling. As far as business models go it's not a bad one.

I've seen folks try to make this comparison before. But it's actually not gambling.

Gambling is a pastime unto itself. It has a lure beyond the mere potential rewards it offers. It has an innate thrill attached to it; the thrill of knowing the odds may be against you, but the rewards are extreme. And as such, people are willing to spend for that thrill. They know the odds are against their winning. In other words, there is no product being offered in exchange for your money. No good, no service rendered. And there is no reasonable expectation of such.

It is an incorrect analogy.

This is going to a grocery store with the intent of buying, say toilet paper. But when you get to the store, you pay your money and randomy get graham crackers. Or dishwashing liquid. Or a bag of mixed nuts. Or a furnace filter. Any of which might be great if you didn't need a roll of ass-wipe at that moment.

Or perhaps going to the iTunes store to purchase that DOOM song you just heard. Then, spending your money only to find you got a garbage-ass Chief Keef track. Or some Gucci Mane. It's not the product you wanted. It's not even close. But hey, you just spent your money for it, so you'd best learn to like whatever it is they crapped into your iPod.

I can only speculate since I don't know the mind of every human on this planet. But I'd guess most consumers wouldn't be too pleased with such a transaction.

In my opinion, it breaks faith with the consumer. In normal transactions, even digital ones with digital goods/services, you have a reasonable expectation to get the product you want for the money the producer wants from you. If the producers fails to provide you that product after you've spent your money, it is reasonable to take your business elsewhere in the future. And unlesss that producer can find a customer base that is wholly satisfied with getting a random chance instead of a good, their profits will suffer. Ideally, they'll adapt a more mutually beneficial transactional model.

Or they'll fail. Because, if people can't get a roll of ass-wipe when they need it from one store, they'll go to where they can get it.

[Finnegone]

Zero132132 wrote...

It's stupid if they don't have a steady income and the rares are already maxed, but if you work a lot and still want to play without sinking hundreds of hours into the MP, buying stuff is actually an okay option.

Jus' sayin'.

Agreed.

It's a matter of how much you value your time. One PSP = 100,000 credits or 3 actual dollars. You should be able to acquire 100K credits in one or two hours of gaming, depending on your level of play

So if your end goal is to improve your equipment, and your time is worth more than $3/hour, then it may be preferable to spend real money rather than grind

If, however, your end goal is playing the game itself, and improving your equipment is a happy artifact of that experience, then it probably makes little sense for you to spend your money on packs (and you probably wouldn't)

That said - and back to the OP - how people choose to spend their money is their business. That's obvious, and has been said already. Why you decided that thine judgement is worthy of opening a new topic is a mystery, however. Does the thought of people spending money on virtual merchandise keep you up at night? If so, I hope you feel better, now that you've passed this critical piece of information on to the community at large

Which is another way of saying: thanks for the PSA, schmuck

[SgtPepper667]

Strict31 wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

I spent actual money on packs...it's how I got my MQE, MQI, and a few other character cards I really wanted. Go ahead, call me an idiot. I'm a happy idiot.

I got those characters also, with in-game credits. I'm not saying this makes you an idiot because you spent money to get them when you could have spent nothing. I'm just saying, I've got more money left over for beer and hookers.

They were points I bought with some left over store credit. I could have just saved it, but there wasn't anything else I wanted at the time. Also, I was pretty impatient and frustrated with the store, haha.

Modifié par SgtPepper667, 25 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[BlackoutOmega]

Flog61 wrote...

People are allowed to spend their own money however they like.

This, though I do agree its a complete waste of money, if someone wants to buy something they shouldn't be considered an "idiot" for it.

[GhastonGrey]

Re: Gambling comments above, perhaps not all, but similar to some forms?

i.e. Roulette. I spin the wheel and hope for my harrier II, or my claymore X, etc., but instead I end up with that or who knows what. Except, I'm guaranteed something in the store. So, like that, only better?

[Elobart]

SilentCO1 wrote...

They're the reason we get free DLC. I think they're more awesome than idiots.

<<Hugs SilentCO1>>

Modifié par Elobart, 25 août 2012 - 09:57 .

[epeeist]

Let's say someone has a chance to work an optional hour of overtime at work - and they use that money to buy PSPs - or they can farm FBWGG for an hour. They'll get more from taking the after-tax dollars from work and using them to buy PSPs, and it's not like farming FBWGG is testing one's ability with the game. And both will be the same amount of time.

Which is more a "waste"?

I had some leftover bioware points and bought 1 SP. I bought the recent expansion and bought 1 PSP with the points leftover. I will buy Leviathan and use the leftover points, etc. so I've spent and will spend a few "real" dollars. I have more fun with gradually unlocking more and better weapons and characters rather than spending money, just as I prefer to promote instead of playing with level 20 characters. But someone who makes different choices than me, who prefers not to promote and buys packs is not an "idiot" merely for that reason.

[hostaman]

Are people who spend money on cigarettes idiots? on Comics? on Booze? On CD's?

It's simple choice. I choose not to pay for MP. I save my money for DLC. BW get my money, and I get my product.

Either we're all idiots, or none of us are.

[realgundam]

OP would realized that those money spender is what help everyone else giving free DLC, if he has 1/2 a brain that is.

[robarcool]

If people have money to burn, let them burn it. That's how we get free DLC!

[silencekills]

 You're an idiot if you spend real money on packs after you start getting level 4 consumables when you don't want level 4 consumables.

[GreatBlueHeron]

If you have your rares maxed out it's not a good idea to spend real money. If you don't have your rares maxed out, spend away!

[jandrewcepticon]

I wish I could spend the funds in my psn wallet... That $15.40 is just sitting there...mocking me...asking me to buy something from the store... D:

Also, no need to call other people, "idiots". They'll spend their money the way they want to.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Honestly, I say spend away!!
If you want to spend real money on things that you can't actually GET? Go for it, you're paying for me to get free DLC's.

I will admit, I bought a pack with some spare Microsoft points I didn't need, but thats as far as I am willing to go.

By all means though, buy me some more DLC!!!!

Like the one in my Sig. 

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 25 août 2012 - 10:27 .

[MyChemicalBromance]

When you're choosing whether to buy something or earn it in-game, what you're really doing is deciding how much your time is worth.

Given how long it takes to earn credits, most people are "working" for much less than minimum wage.

[Fierydragon30]

reaver-101 wrote...

one of my mates bought 2 PSPs and got nothing this was just after the dlc came out.

if you paid 1200pts for a normal dlc and unlock everything, it would be ok. but if you buy 1200pts of PSPs you could get nothing its not fair.

i would suggest they do packs with ultra-rare garunteed if you spend your own money or garuntees a new thing as an unlock after a dlc.

with a garunteed shot at something good it might be worth a punt. as it is now, not so much.

that would be unfair if it was money only...,some people are not old enough to make money on there own.
(If anyone would argue with me about this,you can play it even if it is rated M....)

[Strict31]

SgtPepper667 wrote...

Strict31 wrote...

SgtPepper667 wrote...

I spent actual money on packs...it's how I got my MQE, MQI, and a few other character cards I really wanted. Go ahead, call me an idiot. I'm a happy idiot.

I got those characters also, with in-game credits. I'm not saying this makes you an idiot because you spent money to get them when you could have spent nothing. I'm just saying, I've got more money left over for beer and hookers.

They were points I bought with some left over store credit. I could have just saved it, but there wasn't anything else I wanted at the time. Also, I was pretty impatient and frustrated with the store, haha.

Well, I guess you couldn't have spent that on beer and hookers, then...probably.