Obviously it's completely on the level and a sign of admiration.
Is Hawke important to the Dragon Age universe?
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 04:47
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BrotherWarth wrote...
Obviously it's completely on the level and a sign of admiration.
'Atta boy! Self-esteem at the expense of no one else's feelings - bravo.
And with that, I bid you goodnight sir.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 04:52
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brushyourteeth wrote...
BrotherWarth wrote...
Obviously it's completely on the level and a sign of admiration.
'Atta boy! Self-esteem at the expense of no one else's feelings - bravo.
And with that, I bid you goodnight sir.
I get no self-esteem boost from tearing down stupid people. Quite the contrary. Each stupid person who spews their stupidity is a reminder that the world is getting stupider.
Why know things when the internet has the answers? Why form a coherent argument to support my stance when anything worth reading needs to be 140 characters or less? Why broaden my intellectual pursuits when there's reality television to watch?
No, truly intellectual vapidity on the level of not knowing when WWII happened saddens me.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:04
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I guess not everyone is interested in History. Different strokes, for different folks 'n' all that.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:05
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As far as I know every person on this forum is entitled to an opinion. Let's keep this civilized and polite please without getting personal.
As far as I know every person on this forum is entitled to an opinion. Let's keep this civilized and polite please without getting personal.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:16
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sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
@BrotherWarth
As far as I know every person on this forum is entitled to an opinion. Let's keep this civilized and polite please without getting personal.
How is not knowing when the World Wars happened an opinion? They were two of the most defining events in modern history. That's a lack of knowledge. It has nothing to do with opinions.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:17
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LolaLei wrote...
I guess not everyone is interested in History. Different strokes, for different folks 'n' all that.
There are some things you have no right not knowing unless you're a child. The World Wars fall in that category.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:02
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BrotherWarth wrote...
sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
@BrotherWarth
As far as I know every person on this forum is entitled to an opinion. Let's keep this civilized and polite please without getting personal.
How is not knowing when the World Wars happened an opinion? They were two of the most defining events in modern history. That's a lack of knowledge. It has nothing to do with opinions.
I did not refer to any particular statements made in this thread, only what I stated above. Do not know what World Wars have to do with that.
Just read my second sentence
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:33
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sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
BrotherWarth wrote...
sjpelkessjpeler wrote...
@BrotherWarth
As far as I know every person on this forum is entitled to an opinion. Let's keep this civilized and polite please without getting personal.
How is not knowing when the World Wars happened an opinion? They were two of the most defining events in modern history. That's a lack of knowledge. It has nothing to do with opinions.
I did not refer to any particular statements made in this thread, only what I stated above. Do not know what World Wars have to do with that.
Just read my second sentence
What does everyone having an opinion have to do with anything then? I wasn't attacking anyone's opinion.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:58
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Err... Thanks for the defenses 
But don't worry folks, let he be an a**hole. Doesn't bother me. I know who is showing poor education in here. And it ain't me. 
I might have gotten the interval between wars doubled but he has been using that to avoid answering the relevant parts of my post.
Anyway, back to the topic. DA2 can not be what Mr Epic wants because it takes place less than a decade after our Wardens saved the world. You can't save the world twice in 7 years time. Not if you want a believable story.
But don't worry folks, let he be an a**hole. Doesn't bother me. I know who is showing poor education in here. And it ain't me. I might have gotten the interval between wars doubled but he has been using that to avoid answering the relevant parts of my post.
Anyway, back to the topic. DA2 can not be what Mr Epic wants because it takes place less than a decade after our Wardens saved the world. You can't save the world twice in 7 years time. Not if you want a believable story.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:08
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Renmiri1 wrote...
Err... Thanks for the defenses
Haha! Oh wow!
Y'okay!
I might have gotten the interval between wars doubled but he has been using that to avoid answering the relevant parts of my post.
What relevant parts?
Anyway, back to the topic. DA2 can not be what Mr Epic wants because it takes place less than a decade after our Wardens saved the world. You can't save the world twice in 7 years time. Not if you want a believable story.
Says who? The Warden stopped the Blight before it even effected the rest of Thedas. It was relegated to Ferelden since it was snuffed out so quickly. Previous Blights ravaged the continent. Where does this artificial rule you just made up place that on the believable story scale?
And why do you even think that rule you just made up is at all true? Have you seen Star Wars? Guess how much time passed between saving the galaxy each time? Nope, not decades.
Or how about just WWII? Two major fronts in a single war that each threatened the rest of the world. Guess how long it was between each enemy being beaten? Nope, not 50 years, sweetheart.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 07:30
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You said it yourself, 21 years between WW1 and WW2.
Is not "my rule", it is a matter of definition. If the Warden only saved Ferelden than he didn't save the world.
You can't have it both ways. If the Warden didn't impact the word, he wasn't Epic and mattered little. Hawke in this view mattered a lot more because he/ she was involved in events that affected the entire world of Thedas.
Is not "my rule", it is a matter of definition. If the Warden only saved Ferelden than he didn't save the world.
You can't have it both ways. If the Warden didn't impact the word, he wasn't Epic and mattered little. Hawke in this view mattered a lot more because he/ she was involved in events that affected the entire world of Thedas.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 08:15
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You know he was talking about Japan and Germany being beaten separately in WWII, right? Don't add fuel to the fires. lol
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 08:29
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He seems bent on changing the topic.. I wonder whyBasilKarlo wrote...
You know he was talking about Japan and Germany being beaten separately in WWII, right? Don't add fuel to the fires. lol
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 09:11
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I don't think you take my meaning. You brought up the period between wars, suggesting you didn't understand what he was saying. Hence adding fuel to the fire.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 01:49
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Buffy saved the world every single year.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 01:57
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BrotherWarth wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
I guess not everyone is interested in History. Different strokes, for different folks 'n' all that.
There are some things you have no right not knowing unless you're a child. The World Wars fall in that category.
You'd be surprised how many people have no interest in learning about defining historical events. Sad, but true none the less.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 03:41
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Renmiri1 wrote...
You said it yourself, 21 years between WW1 and WW2.
Is not "my rule", it is a matter of definition. If the Warden only saved Ferelden than he didn't save the world.
You can't have it both ways. If the Warden didn't impact the word, he wasn't Epic and mattered little. Hawke in this view mattered a lot more because he/ she was involved in events that affected the entire world of Thedas.
+1 since the Blight was contained in Ferelden and ended so quickly most of Thedas wasnt aware of it so all the Warden actually did was save one nation not the whole world the 5th Blight only affected and impacted Ferelden the mage/templar war affects all of Thedas therefore Hawke is more Epic
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:20
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Renmiri1 wrote...
You said it yourself, 21 years between WW1 and WW2.
Is not "my rule", it is a matter of definition. If the Warden only saved Ferelden than he didn't save the world.
You can't have it both ways. If the Warden didn't impact the word, he wasn't Epic and mattered little. Hawke in this view mattered a lot more because he/ she was involved in events that affected the entire world of Thedas.
Your logic is childish. The fifth Blight only effected Ferelden because the Warden stopped it so quickly and spectacularly. Whereas previous Blights spanned many nations, the fifth Blight was an exercise in efficiency because The Warden is such a bad mother****er.
jbrand2002uk wrote...
+1 since the Blight was contained in
Ferelden and ended so quickly most of Thedas wasnt aware of it so all
the Warden actually did was save one nation not the whole world the 5th
Blight only affected and impacted Ferelden the mage/templar war affects
all of Thedas therefore Hawke is more Epic
Herp.
Derp.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:24
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lol, in one post the Fifth Blight is epic , in your previous post the Fifth Blight was nothing, consumed no resources and didn't disturb any country in Thedas but Ferelden.
You can't have it both ways. Either the Warden affected the whole world of Thedas or he didn't. Can't be changing your mind from post to post. It is childish
You can't have it both ways. Either the Warden affected the whole world of Thedas or he didn't. Can't be changing your mind from post to post. It is childish
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 05:44
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Renmiri1 wrote...
lol, in one post the Fifth Blight is epic , in your previous post the Fifth Blight was nothing, consumed no resources and didn't disturb any country in Thedas but Ferelden.
You can't have it both ways. Either the Warden affected the whole world of Thedas or he didn't. Can't be changing your mind from post to post. It is childish
What the hell are you talking about? Show me where I called any Blight epic. Show me where I said any of that.
You lost. Your argument is now childish hyperbole.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:06
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This thread has devolved into trading insults. Unfortunate.
Out of some slim possibility of salvaging the discussion, I will also put forth that Hawke played an essential role in stopping Tarohne's blood mage cult. Had Hawke not followed up on Masha's plea for help, Cullen would likely have been killed by Wilmod.
But even if he somehow survived, Cullen's investigation would have ultimately stalled when he tried to interrogate Idunna; whether Hawke kills Idunna himself or calls on a mage party member to assist him, he's still the only one strong enough to actually resist Idunna's blood magic, at least initially.
Tarohne was barking mad, but she and her fellow maleficars could have wreaked massive damage on the templar order. Templars watch for demonic possession among mages, not their own; imagine what would happen if a dozen or so templars suddenly turned into abominations one night and began slaughtering their comrades. You could have even been looking at another Broken Circle-type scenario like the Warden faced.
You might say "Big whoop if a bunch of templars die", but it would have a major effect on everything that follows. At the very least, the strength of the templars would be greatly diminished by the time that the qunari took over, and since this theoretical scenario doesn't include Hawke, the Arishok's take-over of the city is almost assured.
From there, much unfolds as I stated earlier in the thread: with the city controlled by the qunari, there is no mage-templar conflict in Act 3 and whatever Anders may do is effectively rendered moot.
Out of some slim possibility of salvaging the discussion, I will also put forth that Hawke played an essential role in stopping Tarohne's blood mage cult. Had Hawke not followed up on Masha's plea for help, Cullen would likely have been killed by Wilmod.
But even if he somehow survived, Cullen's investigation would have ultimately stalled when he tried to interrogate Idunna; whether Hawke kills Idunna himself or calls on a mage party member to assist him, he's still the only one strong enough to actually resist Idunna's blood magic, at least initially.
Tarohne was barking mad, but she and her fellow maleficars could have wreaked massive damage on the templar order. Templars watch for demonic possession among mages, not their own; imagine what would happen if a dozen or so templars suddenly turned into abominations one night and began slaughtering their comrades. You could have even been looking at another Broken Circle-type scenario like the Warden faced.
You might say "Big whoop if a bunch of templars die", but it would have a major effect on everything that follows. At the very least, the strength of the templars would be greatly diminished by the time that the qunari took over, and since this theoretical scenario doesn't include Hawke, the Arishok's take-over of the city is almost assured.
From there, much unfolds as I stated earlier in the thread: with the city controlled by the qunari, there is no mage-templar conflict in Act 3 and whatever Anders may do is effectively rendered moot.
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:38
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Isn't that quest entirely optional though? And couldn't Anders merely flee the Qunari and go somewhere else?
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Posté 29 août 2012 - 06:42
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Nope, Enemies Among Us is a main quest. It must be completed to advance.
And whether he could go elsewhere is irrelevant. His actions carry weight specifically because of the circumstances in Act 3.
And whether he could go elsewhere is irrelevant. His actions carry weight specifically because of the circumstances in Act 3.
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thats1evildude wrote...
Nope, Enemies Among Us is a main quest. It must be completed to advance.
And whether he could go elsewhere is irrelevant. His actions carry weight specifically because of the circumstances in Act 3.
Hmm. The last time I played DA2 I just skipped that quest. Must have been a glitch.
And Anders actions in that specific city carried weight at that specific point in time because of how events unfolded. If events unfolded differently then any number of different things could have happened. He could have gone to Orlais and killed the Divine. Or to a different city-state. Or whatever.
