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[silencekills]

What?

Modifié par silencekills, 26 août 2012 - 11:10 .

[silencekills]

How did this happen?

My internet started to slow down and now I have 3 identical posts?

Modifié par silencekills, 26 août 2012 - 11:10 .

[Shakespeare212]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...
It's not that you can't play the Fury like a pseudo-vanguard, it's just that it's not the most effective way to do it, objectively speaking.

That actually is the most effective way to play the Fury, so long as you're using a Piranha X, a high level Wraith, or Acolyte.

Honorary mention goes to the Talon.

No.  The Fury is far more effective a damage-dealer at both CQC and long range with light weapons and maximum refresh.

[llandwynwyn]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...
a pseudo-vanguard

That actually is the most effective way to play the Fury, so long as you're using (...) or Acolyte.

Except Shields/Barriers are food for a vanguard!Fury.

[silencekills]

Bleachrude wrote...

I tend not to be a fan of DC at all...

Sure, you can DC a mob and then run away, but the problem is you can only have 1 dark channel active at a time...

Quite frankly, I simply forget that I have Dark channel on one mob and cast it again...which invalidates it since the mega damage potential of it is never realized...

Personally, I found more success with a 6/3/6/5/6 build...

Pretty much this.

Exception being the build. I still don't put any points into passive because I never shoot anything and I only AF+Throw stuff, which usually kills them outright/leaves them with little health that my AF cleans up. For Banshees with barriers, DC still makes an alright stripper.

[soultaker65]

silencekills wrote...
Pretty much this.

Exception being the build. I still don't put any points into passive because I never shoot anything and I only AF+Throw stuff, which usually kills them outright/leaves them with little health that my AF cleans up. For Banshees with barriers, DC still makes an alright stripper.

Are you clicking Quote instead of Edit?

[nicola_nibhroin]

Matthias King wrote...

I agree it could use a buff of some kind, or at the very least, be made both a source and detonator power. Warp and Reave can both source and detonate. I don't see a reason why Dark Channel couldn't as well.

Because then it would be OP- it's the only biotic power that can jump to multiple targets, a huge plus for the power in and of itself, and the long duration and good DoT making it a decent power even without the jump.

As it is I reckon it's pretty well balanced- you're not maximising its damage potential (excluding doing BEs) if you're not leaving it on a target for the duration so if you're re-casting you're losing damage output but if you leave it you're down essentially to two powers (at least one of which may not be maxed, unless you sacrificed passive/fitness)..

Besides which, you have two primers in the form of DC and AF, and two detonators with AF and Throw so DC doesn't need to detonate- out of three powers you're doing really well already.

[Shadohz]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

It just wouldn't feel like a good day on BSN without another quality post from soultaker65.

It also wouldn't feel like a good day on BSN without another quality response from Ashen Earth.

What if I were to tell you that you both are excellent players with lots of in-game knowledge?

You would at least be partially telling the truth.

*shots fired*

[Ashen One]

Shakespeare212 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...
It's not that you can't play the Fury like a pseudo-vanguard, it's just that it's not the most effective way to do it, objectively speaking.

That actually is the most effective way to play the Fury, so long as you're using a Piranha X, a high level Wraith, or Acolyte.

Honorary mention goes to the Talon.

No.  The Fury is far more effective a damage-dealer at both CQC and long range with light weapons and maximum refresh.

>Implying those weapons are not lightweight, and hinder cooldowns.

The difference between 200% CD bonus and 170% CD bonus isn't even noticable (literally, it's less than half a second on all powers)

But if it makes you feel better to have a vastly inferior weapon to use Throw a fraction of a second faster, then so be it.

Have fun sniping Banshees with your Carnifex,  I'll be dropping bosses between power casts in 1-2 magazines.

llandwynwyn wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...
a pseudo-vanguard

That actually is the most effective way to play the Fury, so long as you're using (...) or Acolyte.

Except Shields/Barriers are food for a vanguard!Fury. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Any unshielded non-boss is dead after a biotic explosion from AF and Throw specced for Detonate. You don't need to shield drain from a dead enemy, because dead enemies don't shoot back.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 26 août 2012 - 09:34 .

[Kenadian]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...
It's not that you can't play the Fury like a pseudo-vanguard, it's just that it's not the most effective way to do it, objectively speaking.

That actually is the most effective way to play the Fury, so long as you're using a Piranha X, a high level Wraith, or Acolyte.

Honorary mention goes to the Talon.

No.  The Fury is far more effective a damage-dealer at both CQC and long range with light weapons and maximum refresh.

>Implying those weapons are not lightweight, and hinder cooldowns.

The difference between 200% CD bonus and 170% CD bonus isn't even noticable (literally, it's less than half a second on all powers)

But if it makes you feel better to have a vastly inferior weapon to use Throw a fraction of a second faster, then so be it.

Have fun sniping Banshees with your Carnifex,  I'll be dropping bosses between power casts in 1-2 magazines.

I've had some good success using a Paladin VII (now VIII) on her on Plat, using clip and barrel. That winds up with a CD of roughly 170%. I haven't run her with a Piranha in awhile though.

[CitizenThom]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Shakespeare212 wrote...
It's not that you can't play the Fury like a pseudo-vanguard, it's just that it's not the most effective way to do it, objectively speaking.

That actually is the most effective way to play the Fury, so long as you're using a Piranha X, a high level Wraith, or Acolyte.

Honorary mention goes to the Talon.

I use the Disciple...but mostly just to stagger things while I'm waiting for Pull to recharge. I have used Scorpion a lot, but apparently I can't use it now or I'm a missle glitcher.

I agree though, N7 Furys are designed towards being quasi-vanguards, save for getting a barrier recharge (unless you have the right AF build and encounter an enemy with shields/barriers). I go with the 15% damage from all sources instead of movement speed, but I still find that Fury is very high risk/ high reward when you're playing it right. It's the only class I've topped 100k with on Gold, and took myself right to the last half bar of health on several occasions when I pulled that off.

[llandwynwyn]

Ashen Earth wrote...
Any unshielded non-boss is dead after a biotic explosion from AF and Throw specced for Detonate. You don't need to shield drain from a dead enemy, because dead enemies don't shoot back.

They are dead after you steal their shields with a BE and shoot them/create another BE. The difference is that drain leaves you more protected.

[Ashen One]

death_for_sale wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ramsutin wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

It just wouldn't feel like a good day on BSN without another quality post from soultaker65.

It also wouldn't feel like a good day on BSN without another quality response from Ashen Earth.

What if I were to tell you that you both are excellent players with lots of in-game knowledge?

You would at least be partially telling the truth.

I personally think he is wrong on both counts, but I don't think it would be nice if I pointed that out.

Sure it wouldn't be a nice thing to say, but I wouldn't be at all offended since it's coming from the guy who can barely solo on Glacier, and thinks the game should be balanced around whatever is the most popular credit farming setup.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 26 août 2012 - 10:07 .

[Senshirou]

To each their own. I used it but if you don't want to that's your choice. Good day.

[rmccowen]

soultaker65 wrote...

1. It doesn't set off BEs. This is the main reason using DC instead of Throw while close to the enemy it can and will get you killed since it doesn't set off BEs.

So don't use it when you're trying to set off BEs. You're not taking it in place of Throw, after all.

2. It's BEs are the weakest and slowest the Fury can do. Even at rank 6 DC has one of the weakest BE it the game it's also one of the slowest primer only power in the game.

Dark Channel > Throw BEs are very fast, and they're no weaker than AF > Throw BEs.

3. It has no base extra ability like a debuff or DR. This really kills this power for me, and rank 5 Slow isn't that great.

That's an arbitrary reason to skip Dark Channel. After all, neither Reave nor Warp jumps between targets--why doesn't that kill those powers for you?

4. It doesn't stack with itself.  Even Pull and Lash can stack with themselves.

Pull doesn't affect armored or shielded targets, and Dark Channel does about twice the DPS. Lash doesn't affect armored targets, and does about one-sixth (!) of the DPS.

5. It's a long range power. Since it doesn't set off BE it a long range power on a character I use in super close range, and even if I did use it from long range I would do more damage with a weapon than I would with DC's DoT.

Which would be a valid point if there were weapons that set up BEs, and if using a weapon and using DC were mutually exclusive.

Like I said I know all of it's good points like how it stops enemy shield regen and how when it kill one enemy it jumps to another enemy and primes it, but I use it 2 maybe 3 times a match and thats just not worth 21 points.

You invested in Dark Channel and believe it's a good power, but you're not using it much. The rational response to that is to make better and more frequent use of Dark Channel.

Edit: It's amazing that after I've repeatedly said I know how to use DC almost every response is either " your doing it wrong" or "here's how you use it". Never change BSN never change.

That's because right after you say "I know how to use DC", you thoroughly illustrate that you don't understand why it's powerful.

[Barneyk]

I skip annihilation field on my main fury, I prefer long distance fighting.

It is amazing priming 1 unit with dark channel, shoot, throw, shoot, trow, shoot, throw and a BE going of with every throw...

[soultaker65]

death_for_sale wrote...


Maybe you can solo Gold better, maybe even Platinum, but we will never know because you lack any form of recording device that can record a tv screen. We can go off your manifest or what other people who play with say, but no hard proof. I also tend to view any console player's manifest with a bit of suspicion due to the rampant missile launcher glitching exclusive to consoles.

Not that I am accusing you of doing that or anything.

So no one can a good player at this game without video proof?

So you want someone to spend at least 30 buck on a capture card for a internet argument?

Wha?


@ rmccowen

All those things you said I already know all of that I have used the Fury since she came out and like I've said I just don't use DC just like I just don't use Pull(even after the buff).

Modifié par soultaker65, 26 août 2012 - 10:34 .

[rmccowen]

soultaker65 wrote...

@ rmccowen

All those things you said I already know all of that I have used the Fury since she came out and like I've said I just don't use DC just like I just don't use Pull(even after the buff).

You don't get to have it both ways. You keep implying that you understand why it's good, that skipping it is just a personal preference... beneath a long list of arbitrary, misleading, and/or factually incorrect reasons that (presumably) led you to that preference.

Either you recognize that it's a good power and just prefer not to use it (which is odd, but defensible), or you have a list of reasons why it's not worth taking. Pick one or the other.

[xx DJ ONE xx]

NinthGeorgesw wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

6. It's not green.

This. Why couldn't it be green?

^Liberal agendas

Modifié par xx DJ ONE xx, 26 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[soultaker65]

rmccowen wrote...

You don't get to have it both ways. You keep implying that you understand why it's good, that skipping it is just a personal preference... beneath a long list of arbitrary, misleading, and/or factually incorrect reasons that (presumably) led you to that preference.

Either you recognize that it's a good power and just prefer not to use it (which is odd, but defensible), or you have a list of reasons why it's not worth taking. Pick one or the other.

It's a good power, but I don't use it for the reason in the first post.

Or if it helps you understand since I'm always so close to the enemy I don't need to use DC to kill enemies even bosses.

So for me those 21 points are better used for Weapon damage and shields.

I have tried to use DC more, but it just slows down my ability to kill the enemy, just like when I use Pull on an AJ.

Both DC and Pull are good powers but I don't use them.

Modifié par soultaker65, 26 août 2012 - 11:00 .

[BooBooXZ]

Step one put DC on brute speced for damage all way and armor effectiveness,
step two walk away
step three notice random points from kill

Also why would you wan't it to prime/detonate the fury has DC,AF and throw. Last i knew throw doesn't prime so it detonating wouldn't help. "But I could use it when they are in AF!" but throw has less cooldown+aoe evolution......I fail to see why you even whine for it to do both.