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[silencekills]

soultaker65 wrote...

silencekills wrote...
Pretty much this.

Exception being the build. I still don't put any points into passive because I never shoot anything and I only AF+Throw stuff, which usually kills them outright/leaves them with little health that my AF cleans up. For Banshees with barriers, DC still makes an alright stripper.

Are you clicking Quote instead of Edit?

Nope. Glad I came back to look at this thread to see that. Had to reset everything since my internet was acting jacked up. Just kept "loading" after I hit "post" and eventually took me to the "web page unavailable" screen. 

[St3v3H]

BooBooXZ wrote...

Step one put DC on brute speced for damage all way and armor effectiveness,
step two walk away
step three notice random points from kill

Also why would you wan't it to prime/detonate the fury has DC,AF and throw. Last i knew throw doesn't prime so it detonating wouldn't help. "But I could use it when they are in AF!" but throw has less cooldown+aoe evolution......I fail to see why you even whine for it to do both.

This is exactly what I do.

I put DC on something and walk away and kill other stuff. The enemy will die on its own. Its totally fine that you don't want to use Dark Channel and want to be in the enemies face instead but I like to have to option of a long range combat, it makes stuff easier at times on gold / platinum.

[hearydiver]

Dark channel really shines against swarmers. .02

[Oni Changas]

hearydiver wrote...

Dark channel really shines against swarmers. .02

And turrets.

Modifié par OniTYME, 26 août 2012 - 11:56 .

[hearydiver]

OniTYME wrote...

hearydiver wrote...

Dark channel really shines against swarmers. .02

And turrets.

[Shakespeare212]

Ashen Earth wrote...

>Implying those weapons are not lightweight, and hinder cooldowns.

The difference between 200% CD bonus and 170% CD bonus isn't even noticable (literally, it's less than half a second on all powers)

But if it makes you feel better to have a vastly inferior weapon to use Throw a fraction of a second faster, then so be it.

Have fun sniping Banshees with your Carnifex,  I'll be dropping bosses between power casts in 1-2 magazines.

Sorry, but stating your subjective opinions as facts and asserting how awesome a player you are doesn't actually make your opinion more credible.  It just makes you sound smug.  I have builds using a Piranha X and 180% and I do notice a difference.  My previous argument was that ignoring DC was ignoring an entire dimension of the Fury's capabilities and was less optimized before you trolled it.  Not really sure why you felt you had to get involved or who you were trying to impress... Based on your response to the OP I guess that must be your thing.

[DatFeel]

Is the OP the same guy who said the Schimtar is one of the best weapons in the game.

[EvoSigma]

I think once most people see soultaker's previous threads, they generally understand the direction of his agenda. His opinions are amongst the minority and he constantly comes under fire for doing so. He tries his best to defend his position but inevitabily finds himself overwhelmed by the general opinion. I'm not saying it's bad to have your own unique opinion (which is great and all) but I'm just sensing general hostilities that come from almost every one of his threads.

I don't think he enjoys being mocked by a large majority of people which makes me question why he continues to post threads which soley act as the catalyst for further flame wars...

[ValorOfArms777]

I like it for the ability to jam shields like most powers and the pass on along with it's HILARIOUS for swarmers

..hilarious not saying it's got it's cons it's got it's pros too

I like it's ability to still be a primer and pass on for me to smack up the next guy

I use it exclusively to cause a team work effect I let my friends bash up one foe after another and me I use the AF differently I use IT as the detonator my build is NOT normal nor liked much

6 AF 6 DC 6 Training 6 Fitness

I am a pure primer then nearly except my AF release which I use to slam through walls and hiding barricades to cause multi BE with DC if I can get one off my diffrence is I know how to also use my gun to kill the target and I use throw on Asari and the sentinel human with no tech armor and the SH is quite a wonderful BE master itself

I LIKE being a walking primer for my allies it's fun

[Hyperionyht]

I don't think any of the listed reasons justify not using/taking DC. Others have already explained why. It seems the OP is expecting DC to do things it was not designed to do. Perhaps the OP should try a Fury without AF? Using such an abomination would quickly force someone to use Dark Channel well. Then one could incorporate it into a build with greater insight.

[Stinja]

I see nothing wrong with people designing a character around their play style (or a concept), which is not the mainstream thinking.
"Doing it wrong" should really be "doing it less efficiently" or "doing it below theoretical DPS" all too often...

The negative comments are a similar hassling of people with sniper-Asari, pull-less Justicars, or (in the past) taking a shotgun on an infiltrator - yes I used to get hassled and kicked for "UR playing sniper wrong" with a QFI + Claymore.

If someone can score well, contribute to the team, and extract (or wave 10-die, as preference) with a build you disagree about, does it matter?

[Ogelia]

put DC on nemy boss type triger it spam throw on other mobs around as husks canibals cerb and get throper ( which are 1-2 shotetd with this) after recast DC and reapeat. Ppls forgoting throw right speced have rly nice dmg and fu short recast. Most of them know it as only BE detonator but it is great spell too it sger most of enemies. If you cast DC on some boss type and triger BE on him with throw is easy clean this mess around and after 2-3 throw DC makes lots of dmg to recast him without wasting his potential. and if some stupid mob survive and come close you have AF.

Each have way how play Fury and each way is right if fit your stile i dont enjoy short distance fight then medium or long range and AF is my life safer and speed boost to escape from close combat situation and dodge port is not always best way how run away and survive

[Rifneno]

Saw a thread about not using a class defining power. Knew who wrote it before I saw the name.

[jordie3000]

omgBAMF wrote...

DC -> get in close for AF prime -> Throw -> get BE -> pop AF -> get another BE from DC prime

I need to try this. 

[Computron2000]

EvoSigma wrote...

I think once most people see soultaker's previous threads, they generally understand the direction of his agenda. His opinions are amongst the minority and he constantly comes under fire for doing so. He tries his best to defend his position but inevitabily finds himself overwhelmed by the general opinion. I'm not saying it's bad to have your own unique opinion (which is great and all) but I'm just sensing general hostilities that come from almost every one of his threads.

I don't think he enjoys being mocked by a large majority of people which makes me question why he continues to post threads which soley act as the catalyst for further flame wars...

There are contrarians who run against general opinion just to be a contrarian. I believe its ego based. One example that supports that the OP is this type, is the thread about how the shuriken is so super good with the new mods. Personally tried that and it sucked. Others used it and it sucked. OP then modified his post several times to cover his initial position.

To note, this is different from contrarians who actually know why they choose a stand different from the general opinion and can back it up.

[Olivia Wilde]

I put three levels in Dark Channel in case I am at long range

and use the Anhillation Field/Throw Combo at close range

my current weapon is Talon X

[soultaker65]

Computron2000 wrote...

There are contrarians who run against general opinion just to be a contrarian. I believe its ego based. One example that supports that the OP is this type, is the thread about how the shuriken is so super good with the new mods. Personally tried that and it sucked. Others used it and it sucked. OP then modified his post several times to cover his initial position.

To note, this is different from contrarians who actually know why they choose a stand different from the general opinion and can back it up.

I said it was and still is a good side arm I never said that it was better then the Hurricane or any of the top tier weapons.

And it's the second best of the starter weapons next to the Katana.

Starter weapon ranks

1. Katana
2. Shuriken
3. Avenger
4. Predator
5. Mantis

Also: I never edited that Shuriken thread I just added to it.

Modifié par soultaker65, 27 août 2012 - 11:26 .

[Computron2000]

soultaker65 wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

There are contrarians who run against general opinion just to be a contrarian. I believe its ego based. One example that supports that the OP is this type, is the thread about how the shuriken is so super good with the new mods. Personally tried that and it sucked. Others used it and it sucked. OP then modified his post several times to cover his initial position.

To note, this is different from contrarians who actually know why they choose a stand different from the general opinion and can back it up.

I said it was and still is a good side arm I never said that it was better then the Hurricane or any of the top tier weapons.

And it's the second best of the starter weapons next to the Katana.

Starter weapon ranks

1. Katana
2. Shuriken
3. Avenger
4. Predator
5. Mantis

Nope, your entire side arm argument was added in after you were shot down. At the start of the thread people took you at your word until some got off work to test. You then changed your argument on how its a great side arm.

Like i said, you have an obvious tendency to quickly edit your post to cover your backside.

PS: I was one of those that actually tested it to see if what you were saying was right and you wasted my time.

[Kalas Magnus]

soultaker65 wrote...

Computron2000 wrote...

There are contrarians who run against general opinion just to be a contrarian. I believe its ego based. One example that supports that the OP is this type, is the thread about how the shuriken is so super good with the new mods. Personally tried that and it sucked. Others used it and it sucked. OP then modified his post several times to cover his initial position.

To note, this is different from contrarians who actually know why they choose a stand different from the general opinion and can back it up.

I said it was and still is a good side arm I never said that it was better then the Hurricane or any of the top tier weapons.

And it's the second best of the starter weapons next to the Katana.

Starter weapon ranks

1. Katana
2. Shuriken
3. Avenger
4. Predator
5. Mantis

Also: I never edited that Shuriken thread I just added to it.

it is
Mantis
avenger
katana
predator
shuriken

The mantis is the only one I didnt mind using on gold. 

Modifié par Kalas321, 27 août 2012 - 11:32 .

[HoochieHamiltoe]

OP, while I do think most of your posts with builds are whacky and ineffective for the most part. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape just because you enjoy trying different setups, and HAVING FUN.

I, personally wouldn't take my Fury out for a spin without DC, but if you do that is your thing. And, there is not a single problem with that. The whole point of playing this game is to enjoy it.

[EvilGeth]

I manage to get top score using it as my main ability, clearly doing it wrong :3

[rmccowen]

soultaker65 wrote...

Also: I never edited that Shuriken thread I just added to it.

You're lying. You changed the post title in order to remove the claim that the Shuriken was better than the Hornet. The thread is here, if anyone is curious.

It's relevant to this thread only in that it's another pitch-perfect example of your work: an absurd claim backed up by a patchwork of factual errors, goalpost-shifting, and post-hoc rationalizations.

[SimulatedSnowman]

death_for_sale wrote...
Maybe you can solo Gold better, maybe even Platinum, but we will never know because you lack any form of recording device that can record a tv screen. We can go off your manifest or what other people who play with say, but no hard proof. I also tend to view any console player's manifest with a bit of suspicion due to the rampant missile launcher glitching exclusive to consoles.

Not that I am accusing you of doing that or anything.

I can't blame you for looking at all console players' manifests with suspicion. I do the same with PC players, due to the rampant credit glitching.

What a ridiculous thing to say. 

[soultaker65]

Computron2000 wrote...

Nope, your entire side arm argument was added in after you were shot down. At the start of the thread people took you at your word until some got off work to test. You then changed your argument on how its a great side arm.

Like i said, you have an obvious tendency to quickly edit your post to cover your backside.

PS: I was one of those that actually tested it to see if what you were saying was right and you wasted my time.

Nope the side arm thing was there from the beginning and the only time I edit the first post is to add something to it or spell check.

And why would I cover my backside I really don't care about other people opinions if I did I wouldn't post on the internet.

[rmccowen]

Shawn22OS wrote...

OP, while I do think most of your posts with builds are whacky and ineffective for the most part. I don't see why people get all bent out of shape just because you enjoy trying different setups, and HAVING FUN.

Because:

I, personally wouldn't take my Fury out for a spin without DC, but if you do that is your thing. And, there is not a single problem with that. The whole point of playing this game is to enjoy it.

He's welcome to do whatever he wants with his characters, honestly. The frustration, for me, is that he tends to make value claims about whatever he's doing wrong at the moment that are incorrect and/or misleading. What if someone read the Shuriken thread and actually believed the OP? What if someone read this thread and concluded that skipping Dark Channel is a good idea, rather than something you do if you're bored and looking for a way to handicap yourself?

People search this forum for information, build ideas, and weapon recommendations, and soultaker65's threads are in the mix. There needs to be pushback--and enough of it, with enough factual information, to demonstrate to readers that they shouldn't take him seriously.

Modifié par rmccowen, 27 août 2012 - 11:52 .