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[Arisugawa]

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa. Something tells me you won't like DAII. The lovers of Dao are those who feel stronger than anyone else about this sequel.

The biggest issue is that you'll feel that you / this game lost a lot of things compared to DAO.

Try the demo

Does that mean the people that love DAII the most are those who either disliked or did not play DAO?

Those who didn't play DAO before DAII, those who didn't care much about DAO, those who didn't like DAO ( because of gameplay, story, silent protagonist, etc )  those who were interested by the first episode, but weren't that much impressed either. Etc, etc. There are people who loved DAII for what it was despite its faults too.

I don't really think system or combat adjustments will bother me too much. I'm more worried about the story and the setting.

[Jerrybnsn]

Yes in a monatary sense. You should be able to pick it up, minus the dlc, for about $15. That'll get you up to speed on the whole mage/templar conflict that seems to be the storyline carried over into DA3. Then you can join the hordes of us in demanding Bioware return DA back to the Origins style.

edit:  It was given an auto-attack option not long after it was released if you get the game updated as soon as you put it in.  Without it,  it's a lot of button mashing until half way through the game when you level up and have more stamina to use your special attacks more frequently.  If you don't turn on auto-attack in  the options menue you'll be hitting XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  or AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. 

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 26 août 2012 - 10:53 .

[Arisugawa]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Yes in a monatary sense. You should be able to pick it up, minus the dlc, for about $15. That'll get you up to speed on the whole mage/templar conflict that seems to be the storyline carried over into DA3. Then you can join the hordes of us in demanding Bioware return DA back to the Origins style.

edit:  It was given an auto-attack option not long after it was released if you get the game updated as soon as you put it in.  Without it,  it's a lot of button mashing until half way through the game when you level up and have more stamina to use your special attacks more frequently.  If you don't turn on auto-attack in  the options menue you'll be hitting XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  or AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. 

Funny story. I didn't realize DAO had auto-attack for the character you were in control of until my second playthrough. I was pressing attack over and over and over waiting for my special attacks to recharge. I can't pinpoint the exact moment I realized that all of that button pushing was meaningless, but wow, did I feel like an idiot for a while.

[Sylvianus]

Arisugawa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa. Something tells me you won't like DAII. The lovers of Dao are those who feel stronger than anyone else about this sequel.

The biggest issue is that you'll feel that you / this game lost a lot of things compared to DAO.

Try the demo

Does that mean the people that love DAII the most are those who either disliked or did not play DAO?

Those who didn't play DAO before DAII, those who didn't care much about DAO, those who didn't like DAO ( because of gameplay, story, silent protagonist, etc )  those who were interested by the first episode, but weren't that much impressed either. Etc, etc. There are people who loved DAII for what it was despite its faults too.

I don't really think system or combat adjustments will bother me too much. I'm more worried about the story and the setting.

Be careful, that's what I thought myself the first time. " I care only about the story ".  DAII went so far in my eyes that finally I've understood that only the story and the setting can't be enought to be satisfied.

But if you really don't mind less choices, reused areas, new graphics and design, some things simplified, in this case I don't think you should have some issues to play the game. The story and the setting are very very subjective infortunately. In my case I didn't like the story, - for many reasons - and you couldn' t really understand what I mean without playing the damn game yourself. There are other who really liked DAII's story by the way. So, it's up to you in this area.  :happy:

Modifié par Sylvianus, 26 août 2012 - 10:59 .

[Get Magna Carter]

You may dislike some decisions from DA:O being overruled (so Leliana will return even if she died)
I didn't feel Anders is portrayed that consistently with Awakening but that is partially because he has merged with Justice.
The plot is not about an epic quest but 3 interlinked major incidents in or near a city (spread out over a period of years) with an assortment of minor incidents many of which tie in (but none stray far from the city) - You are "rail-roaded" into the first incident (an expedition to the deep roads) and have little choice but to intervene in the 2 crisis that affect the city.
Relationships with "companions" feels significantly different (to me) as they are not accompanying you on a journey but are living in the same city (though there is much that is similar).

[shepisavanguardgetoverit]

Arisugawa wrote...

Dragon_Effect 15511 wrote...

 You seem to be easily annoyed by games .

Anyway. Play the demo and decide then. 

Yeah...I admit I'm a big stickler for plot and character. :innocent:

Things that do not bother other players tend to get under my skin.

This applies to me as well, the little thinks really annoy me. Dragon Age 2 may not be for you then, its a "decent" game, with faults.  But it will be the little things that tarnish your experience with this game, like repetive areas, fighting the same army of clones every 5 minutes, wave combat (which is my personal pet hate), dull booring colour palate, the OMG mages are evil! mechanic we have had since DA:O, and the endless swarm of blood mages and demons, ninja dropping bandits who jump from the tops of buildings to fight you even though the drop would result in a broken leg irl, being unable to scroll your camera out to its full fov like in origins and companions following you even though you told them to stay put.  Little things I know, but they start to annoy you real quick if your like me, the moment something annoys you the more you notice it and hence the more it annoys you =P

Enemy's that gave you a bit of trouble in origins like shades and revenants are cannon (or blade/staff?) fodder in DA2.  Even the high dragon isn't that much of a challenge, its just kiting.  The game is too even and balanced for my opinion, but this comes down to personal preference I suppose, but I personally miss the difficulty spikes in origins, they kept you on your toes.  In origins when you were encountering a fight for the fist time you would pause and servey the battlefield.  In DA2 u stop doing this about 30mins in, as you discover that the fights are just charge up to enemies and hit them repeatedly untill the go down in no apparent order.  Just makes sure to take the blood mage out first! etc.  

Let me be clear, I loved DA2, I just loved origins more.   

[Reznore57]

I like both games.
They're different.
Da2 feels rushed , has many flaws , but for me at least it was a nice journey.

My advice , look for a cheap version of the game , i looked up on amazon and you can find it around 7 dollar ...

If you're curious , go for it , nobody can know if you're gonna like it or not.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

Yes in a monatary sense. You should be able to pick it up, minus the dlc, for about $15. That'll get you up to speed on the whole mage/templar conflict that seems to be the storyline carried over into DA3. Then you can join the hordes of us in demanding Bioware return DA back to the Origins style.

Eh, it's not really necessary to go through that story (DA2) that leads to the story (the Asunder novel) that leads to the story thet will seemingly matter (DA3). DAO was easy enough to get into despite essentially throwing you into the Ferelden/Loghain and Darkspawn/Wardens plotlines, anyway.

Now, assuming the topic creator already found Awakening and the other dlc's to be ruining the experiences and memories from Origins, it would probably be prudent for him/her to stay away from DA2 entirely.

[Realmzmaster]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa. Something tells me you won't like DAII. The lovers of Dao are those who feel stronger than anyone else about this sequel.

The biggest issue is that you'll feel that you / this game lost a lot of things compared to DAO.

Try the demo

Does that mean the people that love DAII the most are those who either disliked or did not play DAO?

No i don't think so, i guess they're easily impressed. Dragon Age 2 is not a bad game, it's just when you look at DA:O then take a look at DA2 its a disappointment

I like DAO and DA2. I am not easily impressed. I think both fall lower on my list in comparison to BG1,2 NWN, NWN2 and some older crpgs like Wizardry, Ultima, Bards Tale, Might and Magic. My all time favorites are Alternate Reality: City and Dungeon. But YMMV.

DA2 is cheap enough that you can buy it and it will not burn a hole in your pocket. Or try the demo. Only you can decide if you like it or not.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 27 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[PaulSX]

To OP, I dislike awakening too. This expansion just does not feel like Dragon Age. IMO, Dragon age 2 is more dragon age than awakening. DA2 has conflicts and political struggles which make it more interesting. That is to say I definitely recommend Dragon Age 2, but be ready for the repetitive combats and ugly reused areas.

[King Cousland]

Arisugawa wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

If you don't mind me asking, what exactly was it you didn't like about Awakening and the other DLCs?

Nearly everything is plot and character related. I felt that some aspects fundamentally changed how the story of Origins had to be viewed, and other aspects were completely unnecessary and didn't enhance the setting in any meaningful way.

Witch Hunt: Terribly anti-climactic, and a completely unsatisfactory resolution if you are a female Warden. I suspect that might be the same if you were a male Warden who didn't romance her. In the end, I didn't feel like anything was gained by playing it.

Darkspawn Chronicles: I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to feel about this. Obviously, it was meant to be a fun little diversion and not much more, but it was still painful to actively take part in the death of characters I had come to love.

Leiliana's Song: A few things that took place here do not seem to mesh with the version she tells you in Origins. I understand that's partially the point, that a bard's story may vary depending on who the audience is. But that's not why I wanted to play her story. She was always my primary love interest in Origins, and I wasn't interested in a version of her past. I wanted to see what actually happened. So either she's lying in the DLC, or she's lying to me in Origins. The feeling of uncertainty I had after the story was concluded was disappointing.

Golems of Amgarrak: Didn't particularly care how this modified what we knew of Golems from Origins, or at least what was done in a desperate attempt to reclaim the knowledge Caridin took with him. Saying that, I kind of liked the puzzle aspect of it.

The Awakenings Expansion: Hated the Architect. Hated the idea that the Darkspawn were far different than the way Origins presented them. Hated that I was essentially making Wardens out of every character I was coming across.

Based on this, I'd recommend watching a few YouTube videos of DA II to get a feel for it. No disrepect to other users' suggestion, but since it sounds like you're similar to me (and many others) and become heavily invested in the plot and characters, and you just can't get a proper insight into this from the demo. You should be warned however that DA II is much more action orientated than it's predecessor, and the story can feel somewhat disjointed.

[Kidd]

I much, muuuch prefer DA2 over Awakening and all the Origins DLC. The story was a lot more interesting and I adore most of the characters (even Sebastian, whose guts I can't stand - not because he's badly written but because I genuinely dislike him lol). I also felt I was spending a lot less time on filler battles, which makes up for a lot of the game's sadly quite many shortcomings.

[King Cousland]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I much, muuuch prefer DA2 over Awakening and all the Origins DLC. The story was a lot more interesting and I adore most of the characters (even Sebastian, whose guts I can't stand - not because he's badly written but because I genuinely dislike him lol). I also felt I was spending a lot less time on filler battles, which makes up for a lot of the game's sadly quite many shortcomings.

Less time?

[Teddie Sage]

Play it but don't expect it to be Dragon Age Origins. Look at it from a different angle. Make your own opinion about this game. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't. It's cheap now, so why not?

[Iakus]

Arisugawa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa. Something tells me you won't like DAII. The lovers of Dao are those who feel stronger than anyone else about this sequel.

The biggest issue is that you'll feel that you / this game lost a lot of things compared to DAO.

Try the demo

Does that mean the people that love DAII the most are those who either disliked or did not play DAO?

I'm one of those who loved DAO and still liked DA2, though DAO was definitely the better game.

DA2 is a very different game.  If you go in with that in mind, and not thinking it's 'DAO, part 2" it helps.


You are not off shaping big events, your choices will not have major consequences in the game.  What you control is mainly how you respond to the events, and what your companions think of you. In essence, you're character is swept up by events rather than shaping them.

In addition, the scope of the game is a lot smaller:  One city and some surrounding areas.  Unlike DAO where you had an entire nation to wander around in.  That's an idea that could have been really cool, but wasn't quite pulled off well.  Possibly due to time/budget restraints.  Through the passage of years, the city changes very little.  There's also a rather extreme reuse of maps for locations.  All underground areas are pretty much the same, just with different passages blocked off.

You indicated combat changes won't likely put you off, so I won't go into changes there.

Also, your Warden's actions in DAO don't imp[act much on DA2.  Personally, I'm fine with that.  You're playing a different character in a different nation years after the events of DAO.  

Overall, I found it an enjoyable experience.  But's it's not the epic enjoyable experience that DAO was.  

[LinksOcarina]

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Arisugawa. Something tells me you won't like DAII. The lovers of Dao are those who feel stronger than anyone else about this sequel.

The biggest issue is that you'll feel that you / this game lost a lot of things compared to DAO.

Try the demo

Does that mean the people that love DAII the most are those who either disliked or did not play DAO?

Those who didn't play DAO before DAII, those who didn't care much about DAO, those who didn't like DAO ( because of gameplay, story, silent protagonist, etc )  those who were interested by the first episode, but weren't that much impressed either. Etc, etc. There are people who loved DAII for what it was despite its faults too.

Again this is false.

[Sylvianus]

What is false ?

[Kidd]

King Cousland wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I much, muuuch prefer DA2 over Awakening and all the Origins DLC. The story was a lot more interesting and I adore most of the characters (even Sebastian, whose guts I can't stand - not because he's badly written but because I genuinely dislike him lol). I also felt I was spending a lot less time on filler battles, which makes up for a lot of the game's sadly quite many shortcomings.

Less time?

Yes, definitely. The fights are probably longer on average, but there's way fewer of them. I find it much easier to swallow two long fights instead of four shorter ones, it's the groaning "oh no not one more"-factor. I do believe the overall time spent in combat is lesser in DA2 too, though, length/amount argument aside.

[chasemme]

They are two very different games. Personally, DA:O was one of my all-time favorite games, and I loathe DA2. I can't bring myself to call it BAD, because I can see the appeal for others, but if you were wondering why it gets mixed reviews, that's why.

I think what others have said is good, play the demo. Though if you loved Origins and disliked the DLC, I'd say it may bode badly.

Also, from a story perspective, it's important to note that this is the second part of a trilogy. Middle episodes tend to have trouble standing on their own. I don't think it does this particularly well, but with that in mind, I don't think the story is as bad as it could have been.

[jbrand2002uk]

Well here sums up my general take
Started playing RPG's with Jade Empire BG1+2 KOTOR 1+2 all at time of release picked up DAO one day of release and hated it so much I laminated my game disc and used it as a drinks coaster, got DA2 and all the DLC,thoroughly enjoyed it and still do.

Afterwards picked up DAO UE and while my opinion of it has improved I'd still say its bug ridden crash happy and at best tedious certainly not the best RPG since sliced bread many on the forums claim it to be hell KOTOR 2 was better than DAO in every respect but thats all IMO YMMV

[The_11thDoctor]

DA2 should be a cheap buy. Pick it up and play it. Just note: DA2 is not a sequel but a different take on the DA world and expands it. The combat was improved, but the scope was made far smaller. You'll get a great amount of time out of it, but know ahead of time you cant custom armor your party and a ton of the maps are recycled. If you can get passed this, youll enjoy a great game with tons of amazing banter and learn far more amazing lure for the series. It's a flawed game just like DAO, but there are improvements making it better than DAO in a number of ways. Judge the game for your self.

I played DAO-DA2. DAO I loved the story, lure and world, but hated the combat. So unless it was story time, I wasnt enjoying the game. DA2, I loved the story for the characters, since it's more personal and more the focus of the game, the lure, and I loved the combat. There were spells missing/classes etc, but overall it felt better and looked better. Not sure if they patched it since I last played since it was riddled with glitches like all BW games, but I couldn't say dont play it. It also sets up DA3. That plus the DA book Asunder. A MUST READ.

[The Edge]

Rent or buy used: whatever is the cheaper option.

[Renmiri1]

I like both but I prefer DA2.

Is a good game but it is not DAO. You might as well go ready to not see any Origins stuff on it.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 août 2012 - 06:57 .

[Vanilka]

I think it's worth a try. Nobody can tell you for sure whether you'll like it or not. Everybody has different tastes, some people love DA:O but hate DAII with passion or vice versa, some like both.

Personally, I love DA:O like no other game. I do like DAII but was disappointed when I tried it for the first time and it took time for me to grow fond of it as it feels like a completely different game.

You said you care about plot and characters a lot. I'd say DAII has a good amount of both. The problem is the execution. While I consider the story to be great, dealing with interesting topics, a lot of the game feels like side quest galore without any obvious purpose. Fortunately, the combat is quite fun, even if somewhat exaggerated.

I, personally, find the companions very likeable and rather interesting. I grew to like most of them almost immediately.
The interaction with them is both good and bad. I loved how natural the relationship between the PC and them and even among one another feels. Sometimes they just show up at your house, just because. They comfort you when something bad happens. Etc.
What I didn't like is that the interaction is very similar to what you've seen in Awakening. Just not that silly - you don't have to click at random things in the environment just to have a conversation. But you only talk to your companions when the game tells you to. In comparison with DA:O, there are very few companion dialogues.

My biggest problem with this game was the protagonist. A huge change in comparison with DA:O's silent Wardens. Hawke is voiced and the paraphrase system is really bad, in my opinion. While the conversation flows rather nicely and naturally, the protagonist lives their own life and will probably often surprise you after you click a certain dialogue option. Hawke never says the same thing you click in the dialogue wheel. It takes some time to get used to this if you're like me. I had never played an RPG with a voiced protagonist and was horrified when I tried DAII. Hand in hand with that come some limitations of roleplay. The character is no longer flexible as the voice gives them a certain personality.
But I know that a lot of other people didn't mind. So maybe it's just me.

DAII might not be a breathtaking experience and it's very different from DA:O but I, personally, think it's a good game that's worth a try. At least for the companions and topics it deals with. But you'll have to see for yourself.

Modifié par Vanilka of the Sword Coast, 27 août 2012 - 08:11 .

[snfonseka]

In my opinion DA2 is not worthy for $60 (or 50, I can't remember the exact price). Anyway I think it is much cheaper now. So no harm in trying it. It is an average RPG game.

Modifié par snfonseka, 27 août 2012 - 09:33 .